Physical & Digital EST: The Future of Home Video Discussion Thread - Page 2261 - Blu-ray Forum

Steedeel · 01-23-2024, 10:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Vilya

I purchased the Columbia Pictures 100 Movie Collection (digital) and it increased my "Digital collection" count by 1 underneath my avatar.

I also got two free Sony digital rewards for buying this bundle, but the possible choices were quite limited.

All said and done I added 82 titles to my digital collection for $100; that equates to $1.22 per movie. It looks like all of the titles that were entirely new to my digital collection are just in HD.

Still, it should please my friends and family, which was my goal all along. Oh, and the added benefit of knowing that I am "open minded" enough to buy digital movies.

Boooooooooooooo! Hisssssssssss!

Warm Gun · 01-23-2024, 12:13 PM

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Originally Posted by s2mikey

I am content with a classic 5.1 setup even though my gear supports an Atmos speaker setup. I invested into good quality speakers everywhere & a great Klipsch sub. Quality over quantity for me. Living room is filled with great sound with perfect surround effects & placement. Im good.

Im sure there are rooms & setups where a full Atmos arrangement can be appreciated. Thats cool. But for most of us, I suspect a high quality 5.1 setup is perfectly splendid.

Over the last three weeks, I replaced my Sony SSCS3 towers with Q Acoustics 3050 towers, removed the Sony SSCS8 center, replaced the Sony SACS9 subwoofer with an SVS SB-1000 and placed acoustic panels behind the towers. I don't know if those panels do anything, but they are there, behind the black bedsheets that make the picture appear to come out of the wall in the dark. I still have the Sony SSCS5 speakers as surrounds. Won't replace those unless they break.

Did the Audyssey calibration yesterday (after putting in the new subwoofer the day before, crossover at 60, cutoff freq. at 90) and watched The Others with Nicole Kidman for the first time. Sounded lovely.

mi_z · 01-23-2024, 12:32 PM

New Linklater film Hit Man has a June 2024 release. Another crying shame as it will be a film that should get a proper theatrical release and then disc release but instead will be buried on Netflix. They are an anti-movie company.

Wendell R. Breland · 01-23-2024, 02:38 PM

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Originally Posted by alchav21

It's not about the Streaming Boxes, but the Processor and Sony has the best one the X1 and now the XR. With the Android Google App and the Fast Processor Streaming is Rock Solid, especially with Symmetrical Fiber!

Just showing how clueless you are, again! A processor is necessary for motion flow (frame interpolation), video noise reduction, video sharpening and other functions most of which should be turned off in order to see what the video is really like. The video processor does not care about the source, it has nothing to do with streaming. For example, the Sony VPL-XW6000 video projector uses the X1™ Ultimate processor.

Don’t know why you believe the Android streaming is some big part of the TV, it is not. One example here and it probably has a lot more capability than your TV.

Why do you insist on showing readers your lack of streaming knowledge by continuing to post this symmetrical crap? You are receiving data, you are sending very little data when streaming. What part about this simple concept are you not comprehending?

Wendell R. Breland · 01-23-2024, 02:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Warm Gun

After five years, I removed my Atmos speakers.

After 8 years of Atmos I am still thinking of adding more to my 7.2.4 setup.

stonesfan129 · 01-23-2024, 02:57 PM

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Originally Posted by mi_z

New Linklater film Hit Man has a June 2024 release. Another crying shame as it will be a film that should get a proper theatrical release and then disc release but instead will be buried on Netflix. They are an anti-movie company.

I hate how more and more films are going this route. The Irishman, Roma, Prey, Killers Of The Flower Moon... It's all fine and dandy to put them up on streaming, but at least do a theatrical release and home video release (4KBD, BD, DVD, digital) and put it on streaming when the home video version comes out.

So many great films it's like they hold them hostage on streaming. I'm still pissed that Squid Game has never come out on disc yet. That was a great series that deserved a disc release. Same with Cobra Kai (you can get it on DVD, but BD is region locked for Europe I guess).

Even Disney has seen the writing on the wall that streaming is a losing game and released Mandalorian on disc.

sapiendut · 01-23-2024, 03:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Wendell R. Breland

After 8 years of Atmos I am still thinking of adding more to my 7.2.4 setup.

Anybody who doesn’t like Atmos it’s because they don’t set it up or calibrate it properly. Literally 100% of “Atmos is not worth it” clients I’ve had in the past decade have changed their minds after I’ve done their proper calibration.

Steedeel · 01-23-2024, 03:31 PM

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Originally Posted by stonesfan129

I hate how more and more films are going this route. The Irishman, Roma, Prey, Killers Of The Flower Moon... It's all fine and dandy to put them up on streaming, but at least do a theatrical release and home video release (4KBD, BD, DVD, digital) and put it on streaming when the home video version comes out.

So many great films it's like they hold them hostage on streaming. I'm still pissed that Squid Game has never come out on disc yet. That was a great series that deserved a disc release. Same with Cobra Kai (you can get it on DVD, but BD is region locked for Europe I guess).

Even Disney has seen the writing on the wall that streaming is a losing game and released Mandalorian on disc.

Most of them have disc releases here. Thought it was same in U.S?

Warm Gun · 01-23-2024, 04:15 PM

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Originally Posted by sapiendut

Anybody who doesn’t like Atmos it’s because they don’t set it up or calibrate it properly. Literally 100% of “Atmos is not worth it” clients I’ve had in the past decade have changed their minds after I’ve done their proper calibration.

Some people just can't accommodate it in their space well and don't consume enough good (in terms of Atmos) content. None of your clients could tell me how those sound placement decisions I quoted on the last page make sense. I also started to worry about maintenance telling management about the speaker arms and management having a problem with them. Upside-down arms above the seat was the best I could do. Placing them above the TV makes the sound stage too front heavy and makes it harder to tell what is above. Almost every movie that I watch uses fewer than seven channels. If I'm going to watch an older movie, I will almost always pick the older mix to hear what the crew got all the recognition for.

List of PC games that support Dolby Atmos:

[Show spoiler]

That's a crappy list.

crutzulee · 01-23-2024, 04:20 PM

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Originally Posted by sapiendut

Anybody who doesn’t like Atmos it’s because they don’t set it up or calibrate it properly. Literally 100% of “Atmos is not worth it” clients I’ve had in the past decade have changed their minds after I’ve done their proper calibration.

I'm so glad you posted this as there is no truer statement when it comes to ATMOS and my oft repeated rants on this topic have me sometimes coming across as the kind of gate keeping a$$ hole that I hate.
Basically, most people should avoid ATMOS if their room requires significant deviations from the prescribed speaker placement...

Even then, proper calibration is the other half of the equation. A couple of months ago, I recall coming across a rather well healed member of this forum who had an absolutely gorgeous looking room as evidenced by his gallery on the site.

Unfortunately, it was rather obvious that his "professional installer" did not find money in the 10s of thousands that he must have spent on the room to properly setup his laundry list of expensive gear properly.

crutzulee · 01-23-2024, 04:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Warm Gun

Some people just can't accommodate it in their space well and don't consume enough good (in terms of Atmos) content. None of your clients could tell me how those sound placement decisions I quoted on the last page make sense. I also started to worry about maintenance telling management about the speaker arms and management having a problem with them. Upside-down arms above the seat was the best I could do. Placing them above the TV makes the sound stage too front heavy and makes it harder to tell what is above. Almost every movie that I watch uses fewer than seven channels. If I'm going to watch an older movie, I will almost always pick the older mix to hear what the crew got all the recognition for.

List of PC games that support Dolby Atmos:

[Show spoiler]

That's a crappy list.

I think you've definitely made the right choice for your room.

With respect to upmixers for older titles, I used to use the same approach, with the exception of horror movies.

I'm now on my 3rd ATMOS capable receiver. In the past, I would usually turn off all processing on non ATMOS titles. When I did use an upmixer, I would favour Dolby's solution over DTS's as I found it less "gimicky". The latter would seem to make odd choices for height speaker direction (dialogue leaking etc).

A pleasantly unexpected benefit of my last upgrade to go 7.4.6 was the inclusion of a newer DTSX PRO upmixer. It seems someone over at DTS was listening as it has been awesome for me on legacy titles and even DD+ ATMOS titles. I pretty much leave it on all the time for anything that is not natively uncompressed ATMOS. I have never found it to be anything less than a net plus to my enjoyment of a movie!

stonesfan129 · 01-23-2024, 07:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Steedeel

Most of them have disc releases here. Thought it was same in U.S?

They do now. For a long time, they were just held hostage on streaming. There's quite a few foreign films I've been able to stream as well that are either unavailable on BLU-RAY or prohibitively expensive.

cheez avenger · 01-24-2024, 01:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Warm Gun

After five years, I removed my Atmos speakers. Also removed the center, since I could never get it high enough. "Downgraded" from 5.1.2 to 4.1. Don't watch that many new movies anyway, and most of them don't have Atmos. Have heard it used stupidly in older movies too many times. Before Atmos, everybody placed their surrounds higher, which is what I do anyway. Have them slightly above the ears.

Can be an awesome tech, but I wouldn't invest in it again unless I had a much bigger space that allowed the seat to be in the center, below four speakers rather than the two I had. I can't afford such a place and wouldn't use a living room.

Now I have holes where the upside-down speaker arms used to be. Haven't figured out yet how to use the plaster. Think I need something to insert it.

To be fair, it has less to do with how they're mixed in Atmos than you just having crappy room dimensions. If you had proper dimensions and calibration you would not be saying that Atmos sucks.

Warm Gun · 01-24-2024, 03:41 AM

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Originally Posted by cheez avenger

To be fair, it has less to do with how they're mixed in Atmos than you just having crappy room dimensions. If you had proper dimensions and calibration you would not be saying that Atmos sucks.

I didn't say that Atmos sucks and would love for you to explain those choices in Coraline, Schindler's List and Black Hawk Down and what makes you pick Atmos mixes over the originals when watching older movies.

cheez avenger · 01-24-2024, 04:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Warm Gun

I didn't say that Atmos sucks and would love for you to explain those choices in Coraline, Schindler's List and Black Hawk Down and what makes you pick Atmos mixes over the originals when watching older movies.

I don't own Coraline or Schindler's List on 4K disc. I do own Black Hawk Down and that was a demoworthy release all around.

In fact, I just finished watching Blade Runner 4K disc in Atmos and it was another demo disc. I never felt that they were just making up stuff as to where to put certain effects just to be "showy." My system is 5.2.2.

If there's an Atmos option I will generally gravitate towards that one, because I invested the money on the equipment and technology - I want my money's worth. I'll eventually get back to the original audio should it be included, but I prioritize Atmos/DTS X, etc.

Warm Gun · 01-24-2024, 04:57 AM

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Originally Posted by cheez avenger

I don't own Coraline or Schindler's List on 4K disc. I do own Black Hawk Down and that was a demoworthy release all around.

In fact, I just finished watching Blade Runner 4K disc in Atmos and it was another demo disc. I never felt that they were just making up stuff as to where to put certain effects just to be "showy." My system is 5.2.2.

You don't need to own Schindler's List and Coraline, since I explained the scenes, the latter with pictures. My system wouldn't have sent those sounds up for no reason.

For those Black Hawk Down sounds to appear more in the Atmos speakers than in the surrounds means they were mapped incorrectly. I had them above the TV when I made that post. If the sand was as much in the back height channels, then the decoder should have known to send those sounds down more into my surrounds. I experienced that in Blade Runner. A flying car clumsily panning from the top into the surround (or the other way around) because I only had two speakers up there instead of the ideal four. But in Black Hawk Down's case, they obviously placed the sounds more in the front highs (since it did not fill my surrounds when the back was downmixed), for no logical reason.

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If there's an Atmos option I will generally gravitate towards that one, because I invested the money on the equipment and technology - I want my money's worth. I'll eventually get back to the original audio should it be included, but I prioritize Atmos/DTS X, etc.

Using features just so that I don't feel they are wasted is something that I hope I never do. It's not even just the placement of sounds/music that makes people gravitate to older mixes, but the intensity of them, the clarity of dialogue, the consistency, LFE balance. Go watch The War of the Worlds if you haven't already and pay attention to how different the sound effects are from the dialogue that was recorded with crappy mics of the time, how they are of much higher fidelity. Not an Atmos mix, just 5.1, but same concept. It's distracting and distasteful.

alchav21 · 01-24-2024, 05:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Wendell R. Breland

Just showing how clueless you are, again! A processor is necessary for motion flow (frame interpolation), video noise reduction, video sharpening and other functions most of which should be turned off in order to see what the video is really like. The video processor does not care about the source, it has nothing to do with streaming. For example, the Sony VPL-XW6000 video projector uses the X1™ Ultimate processor.

Don’t know why you believe the Android streaming is some big part of the TV, it is not.

Why do you insist on showing readers your lack of streaming knowledge by continuing to post this symmetrical crap? You are receiving data, you are sending very little data when streaming. What part about this simple concept are you not comprehending?

I don't know why you think you know so much, I'm just giving you my experience with the Sony 4K UHD TV which is highly rated. A Graphical Processor is very important, and 100/100Mbps gives me Rock Solid Streaming. IMO Symmetrical Fiber maintains that communication with the Server for the Highest Quality Streaming.

My ISP experimented with different Fiber setups until they perfected the Fiber fed Switch with Ethernet Ports out for IPTV and Streaming. I haven't heard of any other ISP's with this type of setup, so until you experience this setup you shouldn't make any degrading remarks!

Warm Gun · 01-24-2024, 05:33 AM

Just checked that scene in Black Hawk Down again, to refresh my memory. Although I no longer have speakers up there, I can still test if sounds are in the front or back. The sand still blows into the surrounds in the Atmos mix, but the old 5.1 fills them more. The balance between front and back is reversed slightly in the Atmos. It shouldn't be up there anyway, considering where the camera is. I remember gunfire and helicopters being moved from back to front as well, but it's been a couple of years and it's getting late. Demo-worthy my butt. The mix that won the Academy Award should be the default.

unberechenbar · 01-24-2024, 06:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Warm Gun

After five years, I removed my Atmos speakers. Also removed the center, since I could never get it high enough. "Downgraded" from 5.1.2 to 4.1. Don't watch that many new movies anyway, and most of them don't have Atmos. Have heard it used stupidly in older movies too many times. Before Atmos, everybody placed their surrounds higher, which is what I do anyway. Have them slightly above the ears.

Can be an awesome tech, but I wouldn't invest in it again unless I had a much bigger space that allowed the seat to be in the center, below four speakers rather than the two I had. I can't afford such a place and wouldn't use a living room.

Now I have holes where the upside-down speaker arms used to be. Haven't figured out yet how to use the plaster. Think I need something to insert it.

Why not do a 7.1 setup if your receiver can support it?

bhampton · 01-24-2024, 07:42 AM

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Originally Posted by alchav21

My ISP experimented with different Fiber setups until they perfected the Fiber fed Switch with Ethernet Ports out for IPTV and Streaming. I haven't heard of any other ISP's with this type of setup, so until you experience this setup you shouldn't make any degrading remarks!

Wendell and I read some of the things you post and they make no sense. We would like to get to the part where we understand you or at least I would still be interested.

Whomever your ISP is they aren't providing anything that isn't provided by the streaming services.

01-24-2024, 05:33 AM	#45218
Warm Gun Blu-ray Ninja Member since:Dec 2020 4K collection:127 Blu-ray collection:650 DVD collection:103 Digital collection:2 Trading Score:10	Just checked that scene in Black Hawk Down again, to refresh my memory. Although I no longer have speakers up there, I can still test if sounds are in the front or back. The sand still blows into the surrounds in the Atmos mix, but the old 5.1 fills them more. The balance between front and back is reversed slightly in the Atmos. It shouldn't be up there anyway, considering where the camera is. I remember gunfire and helicopters being moved from back to front as well, but it's been a couple of years and it's getting late. Demo-worthy my butt. The mix that won the Academy Award should be the default. Last edited by Warm Gun; 01-24-2024 at 05:46 AM.

01-23-2024, 12:32 PM	#45203
mi_z Banned Member since:Jan 2024	New Linklater film Hit Man has a June 2024 release. Another crying shame as it will be a film that should get a proper theatrical release and then disc release but instead will be buried on Netflix. They are an anti-movie company.

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