Physical & Digital EST: The Future of Home Video Discussion Thread

[PenguinInfinity]

Originally Posted by Vilya

In the case of Vudu you can download your movies, but you can only play them through the Vudu app itself. Both the Vudu app and the Vudu downloads must be on the same device that you plan to watch these on. These are not like MP3 files that you can transfer anywhere and play with any device or software that you choose.

Vudu downloads are DRM protected. If support for the Vudu app disappeared, the downloads would be worthless. This is almost certainly true for all of the other digital storefronts, too.

All this is basically what I was getting at. I just wanted alchav to explain how he thought it was possible to back up copyrighted material from Vudu, Amazon, or Google to an "ISP media server".

[Anthony P]

Originally Posted by alchav21

Well nobody enjoys losing money, but the Studios have to come up with the right solution.

the problem is there is not really a right solution and it is not just for movies.

A lot of industries that rely on internet subscriptions are the same way. The fundamental problem is when it is small profits look easy and just at the horizon but as you grow it just gets further.

Theatrical Presentation is the Studios Bread & Butter, IMO they are not going to go backwards with Discs. So Streaming Subscription, VOD, and EST are the logical choices.

I agree they are all here to stay. The difference is I will always enjoy what I bought on physical media and I will enjoy what I keep on buying. But subscription streaming prices keep on going higher, more adds keep on getting added.... so none of us know what it will be like five years from now and EST is even in a worst boat. So there is always a question on if the person that is happy with streaming will still be happy with it at that point in time when it is profitable enough.

Also IMO a Media Server on your Local Network or ISP Network is needed for your Personal Collection of Movies and TV Shows!

I don't have anything against the idea of a personal media server> but this is the problem rights now it costed me a few hundreds of dollars for all the shelves I built. I have thousands of UHD BDs and thousands of BDs and .... having the SSD or even HDD to house all my films would cost me a small fortune and it would need to run 24/7 so electricity as well and I personally feel selecting a film from my shelves is a lot easier than any digital menu I have tried. So what would be the advantage of a media server. It makes sense for the person that watches Netflix and only owns 10 films, but not in my case.

[Vilya]

Originally Posted by Anthony P

I don't agree with you I don't see it as inflexibility but prioritizing. IF someone never cares what they watch in terms of AV quality or content and they want to save money then they can definitely fill all their watching time with that subscription they have so why should the buy UHD BDs and waste their money on them when they don't care. On the other hand if someone prioritizes quality and so when push comes to shove they will spend their time watching UHD BD why waste their money on a digital sources?

When I was a student I always had a bunch of instant noodle packs, they were cheap and easy and filled up stomach, today I don't have any. Not because I have something against them but because I would always pick to eat something better even if it takes a few minutes more and is more expensive. Same here I don't watch digital but I almost never watch my normal BDs and never watch any public content on older formats.

When I sit down I have to make a decision a) do I watch that old movie I only had on (unacceptable media) or b) do I feel like watching that movie I have on UHD today and really can't wait to see and hope that one day that other film too will make it to UHD BD and at least for me b) always wins out. Don't get me wrong I can understand why things might be different for others.

Someone who chooses only one or the other, disc or digital, and "doesn't care" about the option they forego does not post over and over again adamantly promoting their choice while also going out of their way to demonize the choice that they dismissed.

Fanatics preach their dogma while most people make their choices and just quietly enjoy them. Most people are open to trying other options, but not the fanatical due to their rigid and inflexible attitude.

[PenguinInfinity]

Originally Posted by Vilya

Someone who chooses only one or the other, disc or digital, and "doesn't care" about the option they forego does not post over and over again adamantly promoting their choice while also going out of their way to demonize the choice that they dismissed.

Fanatics preach their dogma while most people make their choices and just quietly enjoy them.

You're in the wrong thread if you have a problem with that.

[Vilya]

Originally Posted by PenguinInfinity

You're in the wrong thread if you have a problem with that.

It's just an observation. I have no problem with extremists; they're everywhere after all.

[PenguinInfinity]

[Anthony P]

Originally Posted by alchav21

No they don't have a Media Server, but it's possible to have one for your Personal Use. My ISP was Cable Systems Nevada, but they sold the Internet to InfoWest, and now they only have the IPTV which does have a DVR Server. With the DVR Server I can Record and play any IP Channel from any of my STB connected TV's....Movies, Sport Events, Hallmark, ect!

No. The IPTV from your cable has limited content for a limited time that is

1) what they are legaly allowed to do as part of "time shifting"
2) keeps costs in check (old show gets deleted new show replaces it).

They don't offer to host your media server because they would need to have that legal responsibility. that is why your PVR locally saves the content which you can access after that time period is over.

what you are talking about having a personal media server at the ISP won't happen. But I also don't get why anyone would want that. At least with a true home media server that does not need authentication you will always have content available.

[Vilya]

Originally Posted by Anthony P

I have thousands of UHD BDs and thousands of BDs and .... having the SSD or even HDD to house all my films would cost me a small fortune and it would need to run 24/7 so electricity as well

Hard drives do not need to "run 24/7" and neither does a home server.

[Anthony P]

Originally Posted by Vilya

Someone who chooses only one or the other, disc or digital, and "doesn't care" about the option they forego does not post over and over again adamantly promoting their choice while also going out of their way to demonize the choice that they dismissed.

Fanatics preach their dogma while most people make their choices and just quietly enjoy them. Most people are open to trying other options, but not the fanatical due to their rigid and inflexible attitude.

lol nobody posting here is quiet about their choices If they were then others would not be able to "demonize" them about those choices.

[Vilya]

Originally Posted by gj217

There won’t be any waiting and seeing for me. I’m not paying for this disc. If I did and it looked anything at all like the stream, I’d just as soon toss $30 in the fireplace.

When I visit the threads for these three upcoming Cameron releases on 4K disc and read so many hyperbolic comments it only serves to increase my curiosity. Why are so many people's knickers tied in knots? Are these REALLY that bad?

I just HAVE to see these for myself.

It's good to see you active across several threads, too.

[Vilya]

Originally Posted by Anthony P

lol nobody posting here is quiet about their choices If they were then others would not be able to "demonize" them about those choices.

Talking about one's personal choices is not the same thing as crusading against someone else's different choices. It not the same thing as being resolutely opposed to trying something different.

[Anthony P]

Originally Posted by Vilya

Hard drives do not need to "run 24/7" and neither does a home server.

those where meant as two thoughts did not mean to imply HDD/SSD would need power 24/7 but any server even in sleep mode uses power.

And yes technically it could be completely powered down and even unplugged but then what good is it? IMO the only reason to have a general media server is so that I don't have to go down to the basement to pick a film when I want to watch it any where else.

[Vilya]

Originally Posted by Anthony P

And yes technically it could be completely powered down and even unplugged but then what good is it?

The good comes from not paying for wasted electricity. It's not hard to turn stuff on and off as needed; it's even easier than walking down to the basement, but at least doing that has some exercise value.

[Anthony P]

Originally Posted by Vilya

Talking about one's personal choices is not the same thing as crusading against someone else's different choices. It not the same thing as being resolutely opposed to trying something different.

so

Originally Posted by Vilya

I said that you were rigid and inflexible because you refuse to use anything but digital sources to watch movies just as he refuses to use anything but discs. I find that using both discs and digital gives me the best of what both have to offer.

all you are doing is talking about your personal choices and not demonizing people that don't feel they need both because it does not match your choice, got that


but as a side note it is good to see, what I can only assume , you in good form.

[bhampton]

Many people that have media servers have them set to share to remote locations and therefore it's typical to leave them on 24/7.

I find the whole concept has outlasted my interest in it. I have 1000 movies in iTunes and Vudu and I'm able to share those. It's not the same but it's a TON less work.

I have totally gone back to using the discs directly. I tend to only watch one or two a day anyway.

[Anthony P]

Originally Posted by Vilya

The good comes from not paying for wasted electricity. It's not hard to turn stuff on and off as needed; it's even easier than walking down to the basement, but at least doing that has some exercise value.

yes but I can save even more on electricity by not having a server.

[russweiss1]

Originally Posted by Vilya

When I visit the threads for these three upcoming Cameron releases on 4K disc and read so many hyperbolic comments it only serves to increase my curiosity. Why are so many people's knickers tied in knots? Are these REALLY that bad?

I just HAVE to see these for myself.

It's good to see you active across several threads, too.

I buy releases I'm interested in regardless of the reviews. I'm nowhere near as picky as some posters appear to be so I can still enjoy discs that others have claimed to be "unwatchable."

[Wendell R. Breland]

Some of us have been using a media player and server since the early 2000's. Started with a MIT MDP-100, it was a ATSC 1.0 tuner with built in H.262 (MPEG 2) decoder. Used it to record and play HD content. My first JVC D-VHS D-Theater recorder/player could also play back TS recordings from tape or the HTPC via IEEE 1394 (Firewire). Almost bought a Roku Labs HD1000 Media Player but never did.

Now I have four media servers and most devices in the house can access the media content on these via SMB and/or DLNA.

Really enjoying my new Zidoo UHD5000 media player. Watching what Dune (here) will do with their new Amlogic devices. Have already programmed my remote for the Dune.

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[Vilya]

Originally Posted by Anthony P

yes but I can save even more on electricity by not having a server.

The real savings come from not buying all of those hard drives.

I can only imagine what it would cost to store a collection the size of mine... and mine is a lot smaller than that of some of our forum members.

[Vilya]

Originally Posted by Anthony P

so

all you are doing is talking about your personal choices and not demonizing people that don't feel they need both because it does not match your choice, got that

but as a side note it is good to see, what I can only assume , you in good form.

I'm glad that we both know what I'm doing. I'm not always so sure myself.

I have done my share of demonizing in the past, but I'm trying to do better.

And thank you; I'm happy to be active here again.