Physical & Digital EST: The Future of Home Video Discussion Thread

[CV19]

Originally Posted by Vilya

I still very much prefer CDs; my collection stands at just 845 titles though. I'm a rank amateur.

I wouldn't say that - 845 is pretty respectable. However you more than make up for it with your vast DVD / Blu-ray and 4K collection.

[crutzulee]

Originally Posted by CV19

I think you need to have a serious word with your wife.
I don't know if she has a large shoe or handbag collection in the closet (as some women appear to have), but if that was the case, then you could tell her to clear them all out so you'll have lots of room for your CD collection.

Honestly, she's the best woman in the world...I don't think she owns more than 3 pairs of shoes...or a handbag now that I think of it...lol..
As I've gotten older, I've learned to be less and less attached to material things... she's just always been that way...

[deatheats]

Originally Posted by crutzulee

Honestly, she's the best woman in the world...I don't think she owns more than 3 pairs of shoes...or a handbag now that I think of it...lol..
As I've gotten older, I've learned to be less and less attached to material things... she's just always been that way...

For some reason people seem to think digital, streaming or otherwise isn’t a material thing. It absolutely is. It’s simply not being stored at your house, instead you are paying someone else to store it for you.

[crutzulee]

Originally Posted by deatheats

For some reason people seem to think digital, streaming or otherwise isn’t a material thing. It absolutely is. It’s simply not being stored at your house, instead you are paying someone else to store it for you.

Yeah...I still have hundreds of discs... I just wouldn't be all that broken up about losing them again...

[Wendell R. Breland]

Originally Posted by deatheats

For some reason people seem to think digital, streaming or otherwise isn’t a material thing. It absolutely is. It’s simply not being stored at your house, instead you are paying someone else to store it for you.

I believe most here would equate a material thing as something physical that you can have ownership of. We don't own the movie or songs on a physical device but we certainly own (disc, LP, tape, etc.). With digital you own nothing. If you believe otherwise then I suggest you read your TOS/EULA. And no matter what you read it can be changed at any time. And you agreed to that.

[crutzulee]

Originally Posted by Wendell R. Breland

I believe most here would equate a material thing as something physical that you can have ownership of. We don't own the movie or songs on a physical device but we certainly own (disc, LP, tape, etc.). With digital you own nothing. If you believe otherwise then I suggest you read your TOS/EULA. And no matter what you read it can be changed at any time. And you agreed to that.

As you guys know...my bent is that after having bought so many titles on so many formats over the years, I'm not under any illusions that I own anything for the last time... aside from a few red herring examples, I'm not under the irrational (IMHO) fear that I won't always be able to get another copy of my most cherished titles like I always have been able to... always in better quality than the last time...

I'm not really clamouring to see SONG OF THE SOUTH again ( saw it theatrically) and I'm really doubtful that I won't always be able to access Gene Hackman using the n word...

[veritas]

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[Warm Gun]

Originally Posted by Boccaccio

I don't think so because that would mean that CD would still be king in the music business and that's not the case either.

I wonder if CDs would have kept more collectors than they lost if they had been packaged in stupid, oversized Blu-ray-like cases. There's some kind of point to this post.

[Vilya]

Originally Posted by Warm Gun

I wonder if CDs would have kept more collectors than they lost if they had been packaged in stupid, oversized Blu-ray-like cases. There's some kind of point to this post.

I want CDs to come in album sized packages. I miss the large LP cover art both inside and out.

[Steedeel]

Lost count of the times I stared at Meatloaf’s Bat Out Of Hell album cover as a kid.
You can’t beat records for nostalgia. So tactile and browsing in record stores was different class.

[Vilya]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

Lost count of the times I stared at Meatloaf’s Bat Out Of Hell album cover as a kid.
You can’t beat records for nostalgia. So tactile and browsing in record stores was different class.

I miss the packaging, but not the vinyl.

LPs are just too high maintenance and too fragile for me. One mistake, by you or someone else, and they're scratched rendering them unplayable.

In retrospect, I humorously (now) remember the incredible racket made when you accidentally dropped the tonearm with the volume still cranked up. I also recall the interesting sound when the needle skated across the album surface in an instant.

[CV19]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

You can’t beat records for nostalgia. So tactile and browsing in record stores was different class.

Back in the 90's and early 2000's, I used to spend a few days in London almost every year. No trip would be complete without a visit to the three main stores which were there at the time - HMV Megastore, Virgin Megastore (both on Oxford Street) and Tower Records (Piccadilly Circus). Honestly, I could spend all day in each of them. I'm assuming they probably had vinyl as well, but I was looking just at CD's. It goes without saying that my wallet always came out of the store much lighter than when it went in.

[stmhlm]

It's all about device integration, ease of accessibility, the everyday convenience and price, streaming has them all.

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by CV19

Back in the 90's and early 2000's, I used to spend a few days in London almost every year. No trip would be complete without a visit to the three main stores which were there at the time - HMV Megastore, Virgin Megastore (both on Oxford Street) and Tower Records (Piccadilly Circus). Honestly, I could spend all day in each of them. I'm assuming they probably had vinyl as well, but I was looking just at CD's. It goes without saying that my wallet always came out of the store much lighter than when it went in.

Yeah, but worth it mate!

[Vilya]

Originally Posted by stmhlm

It's all about device integration, ease of accessibility, the everyday convenience and price, streaming has them all.

It's all about superior quality and having full control over what one watches for many of us.

Convenience and economy are far from being everything. I didn't buy an 85" TV to count streaming artifacts after all.

Device integration is easy with either, but one is never dependent upon the vagaries of the internet.

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by stmhlm

It's all about device integration, ease of accessibility, the everyday convenience and price, streaming has them all.

I’m all about the quality, streaming has none.

[Vilya]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

I’m all about the quality, streaming has none.

I guess we won't be needing those SD cards if streaming has it all.

[veritas]

Originally Posted by Warm Gun

I do wonder if they've lost more buyers than they kept by putting movies in oversized, dumb cases. Space is one of the most cited reasons for people dropping physical media. Housing is far more expensive than ever. I would have been happy with CD jewel cases. You can complain about their durability all you want, but they take up about a third of the space, hold the inserts better, don't warp and cost a fraction of what UHD cases cost to replace.

You know I thought about it and overall I think they made the right decision with blu ray cases. Go to a thrift store and browse though cds and its hell to the point where I would pay a few dollars more just to have an easier time finding what I want. making them a bit smaller then dvd and easily identifiable is actually really helpful and even giving black cases to 4k is rather helpful for consumers.

As for the increase in storage its actually not as bad as you think for the average consumer. they increased the height that they take up compared to cds but if your storing them on a bookshelf then the space taken is pretty much the same. multi disc cd cases get wider much quicker which is a much more important space to occupy. like can you imagine how much a 40 disc cd case thats unstacked would take up compared to a 40 disc blu ray case. I think swapping most peoples collections from blu ray cases to jewel cases would actually take up more space unless people use customized shelving rather then book cases.

its really like having a room that can hold 50 people it doesn't matter if they are 6 foot or 4 foot the limiting axis are x and y with z being not much of a limit. Its the same with discs they made the z axis larger but most storage is concerned mostly with the x and y axis.

[veritas]

Originally Posted by Warm Gun

I do wonder if they've lost more buyers than they kept by putting movies in oversized, dumb cases. Space is one of the most cited reasons for people dropping physical media. Housing is far more expensive than ever. I would have been happy with CD jewel cases. You can complain about their durability all you want, but they take up about a third of the space, hold the inserts better, don't warp and cost a fraction of what UHD cases cost to replace.

Like I was just thinking of it from a marketing and engineering point of view and I can see a lot of reasons for why media evolved from CD cases to what Blu ray cases are today.

[stmhlm]

@Vilya - Are you honestly joking?