Physical & Digital EST: The Future of Home Video Discussion Thread

[mande2013]

Originally Posted by stonesfan129

I just hope it doesn't get to that point where you can't get it, period. I mean why am I paying the same prices for a digital copy when I don't even have control over it? I would be more likely to buy a digital copy if the prices were lower (like $2-3 for a movie). The fact that rentals are $4-6 is ridiculous to me. I can usually buy a Blu-ray or DVD used for that price.

$4 for a 4K HDR digital rental is acceptable I think. If it's HD-only I'll think twice unless it's some exceptionally obscure or rare arthouse fare I can't legally watch any other way, such as on Mubi or the Criterion Channel.

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by mi_z

https://www.thewrap.com/netflix-film...r-replacement/




Good in a way. The less they care about quality the easier it is to ignore their films. I just hope they don't continue to buy up festivals films like Hit Man.

Things change by the year, one year they are all in on theatrical style movies, the next it’s small budget tv movies. Next year, we will probably be back to theatrical when 2025 rebounds after a weak 2024.

Pinch of salt.

[mi_z]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

Things change by the year, one year they are all in on theatrical style movies, the next it’s small budget tv movies. Next year, we will probably be back to theatrical when 2025 rebounds after a weak 2024.

Pinch of salt.

True it can always change. Not sure it is changing that quickly though. They never really released movies theatrically either, so the question is why spend that much on a film they have no chance recouping with ticket sales? I am more talking about their focus on hiring "prestigious" directors since it's those I am more interested in anyway. I couldn't care less about Grey Man etc.

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by mi_z

True it can always change. Not sure it is changing that quickly though. They never really released movies theatrically either, so the question is why spend that much on a film they have no chance recouping with ticket sales? I am more talking about their focus on hiring "prestigious" directors since it's those I am more interested in anyway. I couldn't care less about Grey Man etc.

I mean, Netflix already signed a bunch of directors and paid for some IPs that suggest they will still dabble in the big budget arena.

[Wendell R. Breland]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

That article is click bait scare mongering in my opinion. Must be a quiet Newsweek.

That poster must have been under a rock to now post here about Best Buy and the disc business. Best Buy hasn't been seriously in the disc business for many years. The same for Target.

Other than Dune Pt. 2 and Mission: Impossible - Dead Reckoning Pt. 2 is there any other tent pole releases on the horizon? IMO, the studios are too focused on streaming and with little focus on theatrical releases. And that is not good for the disc business.

[mi_z]

Originally Posted by Wendell R. Breland

That poster must have been under a rock to now post here about Best Buy and the disc business. Best Buy hasn't been seriously in the disc business for many years. The same for Target.

Other than Dune Pt. 2 and Mission: Impossible - Dead Reckoning Pt. 2 is there any other tent pole releases on the horizon? IMO, the studios are too focused on streaming and with little focus on theatrical releases. And that is not good for the disc business.

Furiosa. Rest of those kinds of films are a wait and see for me. Civil War I will watch but that's a smaller budget. But there is also the Fall Guy, Godzilla, Planet of the Apes, Deadpool.

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by Wendell R. Breland

That poster must have been under a rock to now post here about Best Buy and the disc business. Best Buy hasn't been seriously in the disc business for many years. The same for Target.

Other than Dune Pt. 2 and Mission: Impossible - Dead Reckoning Pt. 2 is there any other tent pole releases on the horizon? IMO, the studios are too focused on streaming and with little focus on theatrical releases. And that is not good for the disc business.

We have Mad Max spin off Furiosa, a new Planet Of The Apes film, Deadpool 3, a new Alien film, Joker 2, Beetlejuice 2, Wicked (should be this years surprise hit), Sonic 3, Godzilla/Kong (as mentioned above) and a new live action Lion Ling sequel.

2025 is huge. MI:8, Superman Legacy, Avatar 3, The Batman 2, The Conjuring 4, Fantastic 4, Megan 2.0, Captain America, Minecraft, Paddington 3, a Jordan Peele mystery blockbuster and many more.

The gap in schedules is due to the strike, many films were pushed back.

[flyry]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

We have Mad Max spin off Furiosa, a new Planet Of The Apes film, Deadpool 3, a new Alien film, Joker 2, Beetlejuice 2, Wicked (should be this years surprise hit), Sonic 3, Godzilla/Kong (as mentioned above) and a new live action Lion Ling sequel.

2025 is huge. MI:8, Superman Legacy, Avatar 3, The Batman 2, The Conjuring 4, Fantastic 4, Megan 2.0, Captain America, Minecraft, Paddington 3, a Jordan Peele mystery blockbuster and many more.

The gap in schedules is due to the strike, many films were pushed back.

Cinema is dead

[mi_z]

Originally Posted by flyry

Cinema is dead

I know what you mean. I don't care to watch most of those. But there still are constant releases that are original stories. I've seen maybe 15 films in the cinema this year and none were sequels.

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by flyry

Cinema is dead

You should tell the guys who collect the end of year takings of 9.3 billion that. They can split it and have a holiday in the Bahamas.

Cinema will be just fine, it will be back in double figures in 2025, with four or five films breaking the 1 billion threshold.

There are always people like yourself declaring the death of theatrical. And those people are always wrong. Be it WW2, tv at home, VHS, DVD, streaming, or a pandemic.

[mi_z]

https://www.worldofreel.com/blog/202...p3n4ugtmyoi3b9

Disney Not Releasing Acclaimed Films on Physical Media, and Maybe Never Will

[CV19]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

There are always people like yourself declaring the death of theatrical.

Very true. If I had a pound for every news article (or person) I've ever come across claiming that film is dying, or the death of CD's, vinyl, DVD/Blu-ray's, etc., my name would be in the Sunday Times rich list.

[mi_z]

I don't think they meant that cinema is dead in terms of box office, but artistically. I don't agree with that either but that list doesn't inspire hope. It is deliberately formed as IP blockbusters though.

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by CV19

Very true. If I had a pound for every news article (or person) I've ever come across claiming that film is dying, or the death of CD's, vinyl, DVD/Blu-ray's, etc., my name would be in the Sunday Times rich list.

Originally Posted by mi_z

I don't think they meant that cinema is dead in terms of box office, but artistically. I don't agree with that either but that list doesn't inspire hope. It is deliberately formed as IP blockbusters though.

The problem with declaring cinema is dead in the other sense is that usually, the same people making that claim are the ones who “wait for the stream” when a good movie presents itself at the cinema. Apparently, only conic book and franchise movies are made, but when a unique film is introduced, people stay away. It’s self defeating. Loads of great films out there.

[Ender14]

Originally Posted by flyry

Cinema is dead

Yeah, TV killed it back in the 50's, remember? And then Home Video killed it in the 80's. For a corpse it sure is profitable, even in down times. I hope I'm that spry when I'm dead.

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by mi_z

https://www.worldofreel.com/blog/202...p3n4ugtmyoi3b9

Old news, new movies released by streamers, not getting a disc release is old news.

[Wendell R. Breland]

IMHO, we the home theater enthusiast, have always been a very small minority. DVD became a great success in that John Q Public starting buying and collecting movies and TV on disc. Well that era is over and we are back to being a small minority. But there is money to be made from disc so we will continue to see disc made available.

Look how long LaserDisc survived and it catered to very small minority. JVC’s D-VHS D-Theater audience was much smaller than LaserDisc and yet there were several big titles released on that format. Some have not made it Blu-ray yet.

Article here.

It was estimated that in 1998, LaserDisc players were in approximately 2% of U.S. households (roughly two million).[17] By comparison, in 1999, players were in 10% of Japanese households.[18] A total of 16.8 million LaserDisc players were sold worldwide, of which 9.5 million were sold by Pioneer.[1][2][15]

[Wendell R. Breland]

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[sapiendut]

Originally Posted by Wendell R. Breland

IMHO, we the home theater enthusiast, have always been a very small minority. DVD became a great success in that John Q Public starting buying and collecting movies and TV on disc. Well that era is over and we are back to being a small minority. But there is money to be made from disc so we will continue to see disc made available.

Look how long LaserDisc survived and it catered to very small minority. JVC’s D-VHS D-Theater audience was much smaller than LaserDisc and yet there were several big titles released on that format. Some have not made it Blu-ray yet.

I still remember during the laserdisc era, there were a lot more LaserDisc rental stores than VHS and Betamax rental stores combined in Indonesia. I miss those days. I miss especially the ability to be able to plop a disc in and just watch the movie without the need going to menu, settings, etc.

There is no technical reason with DVD/BD/UHD they can’t do that. After all, we already set the language, subtitle language, etc on the players. They should just let us watch the movie right away and then of we want to change something, we’ll choose from the setup menu.

[Ender14]

I placed another order with Disney Movie Club while they're 60% off sale is still going.