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Old 02-20-2024, 07:45 PM   #45821
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That went from bad news to interesting news. Thanks Sony for keeping physical media alive.
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Old 02-20-2024, 07:50 PM   #45822
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It looks like Disney is getting out of the Disc Market. They are starting with 4K Discs, and it looks like Sony maybe taking over that Department....End of an Era!
Did you even bother to look at the dates. Something that was posted almost 3-¾ years ago is really old, old, old news.
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Old 02-20-2024, 08:11 PM   #45823
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That went from bad news to interesting news. Thanks Sony for keeping physical media alive.
Just glad Disney was able to do a deal with Sony. The current story here.

I need to look in on Sony's Blu-print Disc Authoring (here). Just wonder who is the king of the hill now, Avid, Apple, Adobe or someone else.
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Old 02-20-2024, 08:13 PM   #45824
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The more recent links just came out today as to what's going on:

EXCLUSIVE: Disney & Sony Ink Deal for Sony to Take Over Disney’s Physical Media Production, Disney Movie Club to Shut Down as a Result

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There are some significant developments happening within the home video industry of late, developments that I’ve been spending a lot of time investigating and really digging into these past few weeks here at The Digital Bits.

And I can now confidently report that one of them is this:

Disney and Sony have just inked a major deal for Sony Pictures Home Entertainment to take over all of Disney’s physical media production going forward.

This means that Sony will handle and oversee the actual authoring and compression of discs, that they’ll work with the replicators and packaging vendors, and that they’ll oversee the titles as they go out to the distributors and on to retailers.

I first received word of this deal about two weeks ago, apparently within twenty-four hours of the ink drying, and I’ve now confirmed it with multiple independent sources within the industry—people that I trust and have known and worked with for many years.

This deal makes sense for Disney for a number of reasons, not the least of which is that Sony is far more efficient and cost effective at producing their discs, whereas Disney’s physical media operation has been subject to no small amount of internal/organizational turmoil recently.

First, they were trimmed down in late 2019 and early 2020, after Disney’s infamous and year-long 4K Ultra HD catalog title blow-out, then they were subject to many of the cost-cutting pressures and personnel losses that all the majors suffered during the COVID-19 pandemic.

It hasn’t helped that the studio’s physical media operation—which is now almost an afterthought in the shadow of its Disney+ business and activities—has been organizationally tied to Disney’s digital and streaming operation ever since.

Based on reporting from multiple sources, what this has meant in recent months is that virtually every decision about which catalog titles to release on disc, and which features to include on them, not to mention every technical decision that naturally arises during the course of the production of those titles, requires scores of people to be involved at Disney. And the people who are actually working on the discs don’t have decision-making power about anything—they have to kick decisions upstairs to their bosses, who have to kick it upstairs to their bosses, and so on. Multiple levels of management are involved, which means that decisions that should take two people five minutes instead take thirty people a week or more.

It would be pretty tough for anyone to make money on physical media doing it like that.

What’s more, with Disney’s constant cost-cutting measures, and the fact that the studio has wildly overspent on its streaming operation, everyone involved is naturally afraid for their jobs. So few people at Disney are willing to stick their necks out to make a decision, for fear of getting fired. Unfortunately, that includes the very people who know how to do physical media best.

Ironically, Disney turning over their physical media operation to Sony means that a lot of these people now probably are likely to lose their jobs, which is regrettable. (We hope at least that the studio is wise enough to keep the people who actually know what they’re doing, as opposed to the middle-managers who aren’t adding value to the process.)

But the hope for physical media consumers going forward is that—if Disney does get more efficient and profitable at releasing discs via this arrangement—they might actually start releasing more of them.

As cinephiles are well aware, Disney is currently sitting on a vault that’s chock full of great live action film titles from the classic Disney, 20th Century (Fox), Hollywood Pictures, and Touchstone libraries. In fact, there are at least twenty classic Fox catalog titles that we’ve confirmed have recent 4K remasters, that Disney is doing absolutely nothing with—they aren’t going to streaming or digital, they aren’t appearing on Disney+, and they certainly aren’t being released on Blu-ray or physical 4K Ultra HD.

This at a time when many other major studios are not only digging deep into their film libraries for Blu-ray and 4K Ultra HD releases, they’re also licensing many very deep catalog titles to boutique labels like Shout! Factory, Arrow, Kino Lorber Studio Classics, Indicator, Powerhouse, and more—an arrangement that is generating good profits for those other studios, even as production costs increase and vendor and retailer options shrink.

One way that indie studios in particular are working to adjust to this new climate is by creating their own online stores and thereby selling discs to their fans and consumers directly.

Unfortunately, as part of the Disney and Sony arrangement, we’ve learned that Disney plans to shutter their Disney Movie Club, which for several years now has been doing exactly that.

This is sadly also confirmed: We’ve now learned from Bits readers that DMC is beginning to inform their customers of this fact. Here’s an example of the message DMC is currently sending out via email:



We think this is actually a terrible idea. It would be much better for Disney to let Sony take over DMC, and to ramp it up in order to more effectively communicate with the diehard cinephiles who are now the core of the physical media business.

Speaking directly to your best consumers, making them feel heard, and giving them what they want in terms of titles, A/V quality, and features is exactly how you build a thriving physical media business in 2024.

In any case, we’ve contacted Disney and asked for an official comment and clarification about this new physical media production deal, in particular what it means for Disney catalog physical releases going forward, and we’ll share that with all of you here if and when the studio responds.

Rest assured, we’ll continue investigating and reporting on this news in the days and weeks ahead.

Stay tuned…

https://thedigitalbits.com/columns/m...ts/022024-1000
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Old 02-20-2024, 08:30 PM   #45825
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In light of this news about DMC, I ordered 27 more titles from them bringing my wild shopping spree to 77 titles. That has to be a personal record. I mostly ordered the yellow spine exclusive titles.

I have yet to receive the confirmation email, so maybe I should say I *attempted* to place another order. The website crashed multiple times while I was building my cart, but the checkout seemed to go smoothly.

The email just arrived, so I guess I succeeded. It took a long time to accomplish.

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Old 02-20-2024, 08:58 PM   #45826
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Those articles are from 2020.
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Did you even bother to look at the dates. Something that was posted almost 3-¾ years ago is really old, old, old news.
You don't expect him to ACTUALLY read the clickbait crap that he posts links to, do you?
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Old 02-20-2024, 09:00 PM   #45827
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I was kicking around the idea of signing up for DMC again, but now it won't be an option (it looks like they aren't allowing for new accounts).

I was hoping to get some good deals on the physical releases of the D+ shows. Dang it.

Hopefully this deal with Sony will mean good things in other respects, but we'll see how that pans out.
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Old 02-20-2024, 09:22 PM   #45828
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Sounds like good news to me. DMC had no benefit to those outside the US and some titles are locked there. Sony better at it than Disney too.
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Old 02-20-2024, 11:30 PM   #45829
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I was part of their Laserdisc club way back when.
I had to jump through some hoops to be a part of that club because it wasn't available in Canada. I had to order through my ex sister in law.

It gave me a partial reason to be excited about the drive to West Laffeyette Indiana a couple of times a year to pick up my treasure...
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Old 02-20-2024, 11:37 PM   #45830
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Those articles are from 2020
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Did you even bother to look at the dates. Something that was posted almost 3-¾ years ago is really old, old, old news.
Hey Old News for Old Guys! I thought they were recent, but it's still relevant. Disney is out of the Disc Business!
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Old 02-20-2024, 11:46 PM   #45831
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Hey Old News for Old Guys! I thought they were recent, but it's still relevant. Disney is out of the Disc Business!
You really have no reading comprehension do you? Not only do you fail to realize that your "news" is going on 4 years-old, you can not even understand today's news.

Disney entered into a deal for Sony to produce and distribute what exactly? Discs. Whose titles will be on those discs? Disney's.
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Old 02-21-2024, 01:13 AM   #45832
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Variety in a new article that they posted today implies that the only reason the home video market didn't dip under a billion last year was because of the "successful Blu-ray release of “Oppenheimer” in the fourth quarter."

The article itself says the total for last year was 1.36 billion. If so that'd mean over 25% of how video sales last year were for Oppenheimer? I can't imagine this possibly being true, but maybe I'm wrong.
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"The Walt Disney Co. is carving off a chunk of its home entertainment business to Sony Pictures Entertainment, licensing its films to Sony for the manufacture, distribution and marketing of DVDs, Blu-ray Discs, and 4K Ultra HD Blu-rays."

"Disney will continue to handle marketing and distribution of its digital home entertainment releases."

https://www.mediaplaynews.com/disney...icensing-deal/
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Old 02-21-2024, 03:48 AM   #45834
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You guys are supporting a Niche Market, but like I said years ago Disc prices especially 4K UHD keep going up. If your average purchase price is $30+ the Studios might make a decent Profit Margin, but at $10 they are not Breaking Even!

https://www.ign.com/articles/disney-...media-business

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You guys are supporting a Niche Market, but like I said years ago Disc prices especially 4K UHD keep going up. If your average purchase price is $30+ the Studios might make a decent Profit Margin, but at $10 they are not Breaking Even!

https://www.msn.com/
Pure conjecture on your part; you have no idea what the studio profit margin is for any disc format. You make this crap up wholesale, which is why you never offer any source to support your ridiculous statements.

You don't even know how to correctly post a link; the one in your comment has different articles displayed every time it is clicked upon.

Most 4K discs made and distributed by the studios themselves sell for $25-$30 on release day week in and week out. If the studios were not making a "decent profit" they would not continue offering us new 4K disc releases. This fact is so obvious that most people can intuitively grasp the concept, but I, and others, are happy to repeat it for those who need that extra help.
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Sony taking over Disney's physical media definitely sounds like a good thing to me. I'm curious how much freedom Disney will give Sony in title selection. Undoubtedly there are various titles that Disney (and Fox) never released on physical media that Sony will want to release; it's just a question of whether Disney will let them.

The Simpsons immediately springs to mind. Hopefully Sony is able to release seasons 21-35.
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Also hope Sony has some leeway in releasing physical media for titles Disney themselves were too lazy to bother. At a minimum, it'd be nice to get all the DMC titles into wide release circulation instead of just letting them go out of print. It'd be awesome if Disney allows them to produce blus for Touchstone titles, etc. And if they can release 4ks as well, bring it. Still a bunch of potentially cool stuff that could get released like Captain Ron, Blank Check, among a slew of others.
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Variety in a new article that they posted today implies that the only reason the home video market didn't dip under a billion last year was because of the "successful Blu-ray release of “Oppenheimer” in the fourth quarter."

The article itself says the total for last year was 1.36 billion. If so that'd mean over 25% of how video sales last year were for Oppenheimer? I can't imagine this possibly being true, but maybe I'm wrong.
Clearly there's some coping going on. The fact PM was a Billion dollar business last year upset a lot of people who pined hopes on streaming services that can lose a billion per month.

With all the campaigning Lee Stewart did against PM, the news it made a billion dollar profits caused him to give up his propaganda go into hiding.

If you would rather make money than lose money it's easy to see PM is the way to go.

I was willing to rebuy any DVD on Blu Ray and I'm willing to rebuy any Blu Ray on Ultra HD Blu Ray. Physical media may not be "the future" but it will be there regardless.

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You guys are supporting a Niche Market, but like I said years ago Disc prices especially 4K UHD keep going up. If your average purchase price is $30+ the Studios might make a decent Profit Margin, but at $10 they are not Breaking Even!

https://www.msn.com/
You are also supporting a niche market. EST is only up by around 3%, it’s never going to be a success.

Special edition discs are relatively expensive, but general 4K discs are not going up.
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Clearly there's some coping going on. The fact PM was a Billion dollar business last year upset a lot of people who pined hopes on streaming services that can lose a billion per month. Streaming is literally for losers.

With all the campaigning Lee Stewart did against PM, the news it made a billion dollar profits caused him to give up his propaganda go into hiding.

If you would rather make money than lose money it's easy to see PM is the way to go.

I was willing to rebuy any DVD on Blu Ray and I'm willing to rebuy any Blu Ray on Ultra HD Blu Ray. Physical media may not be "the future" but it will be there regardless.
This^.

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