Fantastic Four (2015)

[Infernal King]

Originally Posted by Packerfan75

Exactly. It's nothing more than, "hey, look at me, I'm super sensitive to today's issues. Equality and fairness for all!" It's just attention getting gimmicks.
Why do people assume that when other people don't like the changes, it means we're racists who'll only accept an all white cast? The only issue for me is that's what they were in the comics I was reading as a kid.
I'd say the same thing if they rebooted Blade as anything other than black, or wonder woman a man. It just doesn't need to be messed with.
Just because a superhero was written as white doesn't mean it needs to be updated.

Your entire complaint is "if they're not white like the characters were in the comics I grew up reading, it's wrong". That may not be racist but it's so reactionary that I wonder if there are any superhero movies you enjoy considering none of them are exactly the same as the comic versions you read as a kid.

Originally Posted by Darkstream

That's funny, my best friend is a black guy and he even says it's wrong.

LOL

[Packerfan75]

[QUOTE=Infernal King;8767132]Your entire complaint is "if they're not white like the characters were in the comics I grew up reading, it's wrong". That may not be racist but it's so reactionary that I wonder if there are any superhero movies you enjoy considering none of them are exactly the same as the comic versions you read as a kid.

Most of them are pretty close. I'm watching everything Marvel and DC these days and am enjoying most of them quite a bit.
Unfortunately there have been liberties taken here and there and I take exception with those as well. This isn't solely about changing the race or gender of a character but change period.
I've also sounded off about the Mandarin debacle, Spiderman from the previous trilogy having webs shoot from his wrists, the deaths in X3 as well as others. Honestly, I don't see a need for change or revisioning of any kind. I do want to see what I grew up reading. Why wouldn't I?
So for me, if it's not portrayed how it was written, then yes, it is wrong.

[Infernal King]

Originally Posted by Packerfan75

Most of them are pretty close. I'm watching everything Marvel and DC these days and am enjoying most of them quite a bit.
Unfortunately there have been liberties taken here and there and I take exception with those as well. This isn't solely about changing the race or gender of a character but change period.
I've also sounded off about the Mandarin debacle, Spiderman from the previous trilogy having webs shoot from his wrists, the deaths in X3 as well as others. Honestly, I don't see a need for change or revisioning of any kind. I do want to see what I grew up reading. Why wouldn't I?
So for me, if it's not portrayed how it was written, then yes, it is wrong.

Well, at least you're consistent in your sole reason for disliking the changes.

[spanky87]

This is going to be like Muppet Babies.

[Beast]

Originally Posted by spanky87

This is going to be like Muppet Babies.

Popular?

[Infernal King]

Originally Posted by spanky87

This is going to be like Muppet Babies.

Waka waka!

[Thomas Guycott]

I remember when Muppet Babies was the highlight of my Saturday morning.

[mrrant_33]

A little something to take our minds off the possible flaming train wreck that will be this movie.

Muppet Babies Opening Theme - YouTube

*I said possible

[Bolty]

What makes Jordan so much better than any other actor that might play the role.

Why was he a lock from day 1?

Why is he so perfect for the part?


If they had tested half a dozen actors and he did the best screen test fine, but this anointing of him as the best possible Johnny Storm candidate based on nothing is total bull sh!t.

If you want Hopkins to play Odin fine---if you want Caine to play Alfred fine---if you want Tommy Lee Jones to play Col Phillips fine.


You want to find your best Johnny Storm you test a lot of young actors--period.

Anointing him as if he is the only best option is crap.

Did they want trank so bad that his "Jordan or nothing" ultimatum was accepted?

[Darkstream]

Originally Posted by Bolty

What makes Jordan so much better than any other actor that might play the role.

Why was he a lock from day 1?

Why is he so perfect for the part?


If they had tested half a dozen actors and he did the best screen test fine, but this anointing of him as the best possible Johnny Storm candidate based on nothing is total bull sh!t.

If you want Hopkins to play Odin fine---if you want Caine to play Alfred fine---if you want Tommy Lee Jones to play Col Phillips fine.


You want to find your best Johnny Storm you test a lot of young actors--period.

Anointing him as if he is the only best option is crap.

Did they want trank so bad that his "Jordan or nothing" ultimatum was accepted?

Exactly! And I hate that Jordan is a definite lock in and the primary deciding factor on who else is going to be cast in the other roles based solely on the chemistry created around him.

I don't even think they gave Henry Cavill as Superman, or even Robert Downey Jr. as Iron Man, that much power of position.

[Beast]

They always look for chemistry between actors. Why do you think they do screen tests?

[Darkstream]

Originally Posted by Beast

They always look for chemistry between actors. Why do you think they do screen tests?

No shit, really?

What I'm saying is that they usually don't cast EVERYONE ELSE around only one actor who is definitely sealed into the one role, when the role is not necessarily the center of the cast. They usually look for several actors to try out for the parts individually and then to see how their chemistry is within the group.

Do you think they had Henry Cavill locked in so much that Amy Adams, Michael Shannon, Diane Lane, Kevin Costner, and Russle Crowe were only hired based only on how they performed with Henry Cavill? Hell no!

Even when RDJ was cast in Iron Man, it wasn't until after Terrence Howard. And do you think they cast Thor and Captain America with the ineveitable Avengers in mind based solely on how those actors would perform opposite RDJ? No!

Jordan is not that established that he should be the center of the whole cast and the primary casting decision, especially when he is part of four (or five if you count Doom) main characters, not the single main hero of the film.

[bootsy]

Originally Posted by darkstream

no shit, really?

What i'm saying is that they usually don't cast everyone else around only one actor who is definitely sealed in the one role. They look for several actors to try out for the parts to see how their chemistry is.

Do you think they had henry cavill locked in so much that amy adams, michael shannon, diane lane, kevin costner, and russle crowe were only hired based only on how they performed with henry cavill? Hell no!

Jordan is not that established that he should be the center of the whole cast and the primary casting decision, especially when he is part of four (or five if you count doom) main characters, not the single main hero of the film.

get over it.

[Darkstream]

Originally Posted by bootsy

get over it.

Get over it? Yeah, great response. Thanks for adding to the discussion.

[Beast]

Originally Posted by Darkstream

No shit, really?

What I'm saying is that they usually don't cast EVERYONE ELSE around only one actor who is definitely sealed into the one role, when the role is not necessarily the center of the cast.

"Usually Don't." Sometimes they do in fact do that when casting films.

They usually look for several actors to try out for the parts individually and then to see how their chemistry is within the group.

Again... "usually". Depends what they want out of the film.

Especially the Fantastic Four which is so focused on the group as a "family".

Do you think they had Henry Cavill locked in so much that Amy Adams, Michael Shannon, Diane Lane, Kevin Costner, and Russle Crowe were only hired based only on how they performed with Henry Cavill? Hell no!

Well... they all were all playing terribly bland nearly lacking in personality versions of the characters. So maybe.

Even when RDJ was cast in Iron Man, it wasn't until after Terrence Howard. And do you think they cast Thor and Captain America with the ineveitable Avengers in mind based solely on how those actors would perform opposite RDJ? No!

Just because they cast Terrance Howard first doesn't mean anything.

RDJ was always one of the top contendors for the role. So what if it took longer than someone else to be signed than he was. It doesn't mean that he wasn't in mind when casting others. Sheesh.

Jordan is not that established that he should be the center of the whole cast and the primary casting decision, especially when he is part of four (or five if you count Doom) main characters, not the single main hero of the film.

Well... when you make your Fantastic Four film you can do what you like.

The people making this film clearly have a chemistry in mind as most important.

[Darkstream]

Originally Posted by Beast

The people making this film clearly have a chemistry in mind as most important.

Yes, and as Bolty suggested, I suspect the chemisry that they have in mind is mostly being forced out of the unnecessary need to cast the director's friend and a black actor in a role that doesn't require to be either, nor the center of the whole cast. It's the Fantastic Four, not Johnny Storm and Friends.

[Bolty]

Not just that but the fact in the previous movies Reed was the actor IMO that was most wrong as far as writing and acting (not blaming the actor completely) and Evans was fine as Johnny.

It is clear that the most important actor in the franchise is Reed because he is the brains and the leader--he has to be credible as a scientist and as a man of action--- decisive, resourceful etc.

Adding to the fact that the first Reed was an epic fail---wouldn't you then make the reboot priority getting your leader first and then build around him?

Honestly how many young actors can play a 'hotheaded, girl crazy, car-crazy, irresponsible young man----dozens??

Reed is much harder casting--you would do that first-especially if that was the biggest fail of the first ones.

Then Doom would be your second priority----you know finding a guy who appears more interested in world conquest than his manicure.

[Darkstream]

Originally Posted by Bolty

Not just that but the fact in the previous movies Reed was the actor IMO that was most wrong as far as writing and acting (not blaming the actor completely) and Evans was fine as Johnny.

It is clear that the most important actor in the franchise is Reed because he is the brains and the leader--he has to be credible as a scientist and as a man of action--- decisive, resourceful etc.

Adding to the fact that the first Reed was an epic fail---wouldn't you then make the reboot priority getting your leader first and then build around him?

Honestly how many young actors can play a 'hotheaded, girl crazy, car-crazy, irresponsible young man----dozens??

Reed is much harder casting--you would do that first-especially if that was the biggest fail of the first ones.

Then Doom would be your second priority----you know finding a guy who appears more interested in world conquest than his manicure.

I agree wholeheartedly!

[Bolty]

For me this isn't about race at all. I just don't trust this director and as I have said before if they make Reed, Doom and Ben in their 20s---it's a redbox rental for me.

Changing the fundamental dynamic of a comic that has been around for 54 years is a much bigger sin than changing a race.

Please don't cater to a younger audience by making them all young---there are dozens of comic characters who are and have been portrayed as very young----Reed, Ben and Doom have to have a little history and maturity in my book.

And my most desired MCU movie I wish they would make BEFORE Cap 3, Thor 3, Dr Strange, Inhumans, etc is Black Panther with Chewetal Enjifor (sp?)
Sign him now before he gets tied to another project!

[bootsy]

Originally Posted by Darkstream

Get over it? Yeah, great response. Thanks for adding to the discussion.

Anything is more than what you are adding which is whining and complaining. Like I said get over it. If Jordan gets the part he gets it and who cares how he got it. How an actor gets a role isn't equal.