Physical & Digital EST: The Future of Home Video Discussion Thread

[Vilya]

With this addition:



I now own all of The Love Bug and Herbie movies. Another fine franchise completed.

[Vilya]

I pre-ordered all three of the new Cameron 4K discs on Feb. 21st. I received all three of them on March 18th, which was only six days past their release date of March 12th.

Considering the tremendous demand for these titles I feel that this short delay was more than understandable. Instead of fretting about the slightly late arrival of these three movies, I instead used that time to enjoy some of the over 9000 titles that I already owned. Talk about your first world problems!

[CV19]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

I think so mate,but there sure has been a lot of fuss about the A.I upscale. I’m intrigued to be honest.

Me too, but we will judge for ourselves soon enough. Even the worst possible review wouldn't put me off getting The Abyss or True Lies - or even Aliens for that matter.....my favourite film franchise, and believe me there's a lot of them I like very much.

[CV19]

Originally Posted by Vilya

I now own all of The Love Bug and Herbie movies. Another fine franchise completed.

Excellent. To be honest, I only recall seeing The Love Bug. I don't think I have ever seen any of the sequels, but I'm sure they are all as much fun as the first film.

[Dynamo of Eternia]

Originally Posted by stonesfan129

I've gotta say these delays - first with Oppenheimer, now with True Lies/The Abyss - are making it harder and harder to stay a physical media collector. I wonder how long until they use this as an excuse to raise prices. Like they make fewer of them and market it as being more rare and higher quality, so the price has to go up.

I understand being somewhat frustrated when things get delayed and take a little longer to receive past release date.

But to give up on physical media over that (when you presumably prefer it in most other regards) seems like a hasty decision.

As it is, most movie get their digital releases before physical releases anyway. So you will have to wait regardless to get the physical release.

And one of the main benefits of physical is that they can't take it away from you. Given the various stories we've seen in the recent past of content being pulled from some services, or services shutting down and people losing access to content, if long term access is something that you care about, then physical is the way to go. Plus in many instances the physical copy comes with a digital code anyway, so you get the benefits of both.


This immediate gratification / "FOMO" mindset is what these companies are counting on to get people to opt for digital over physical, because people have the impulse to want things RIGHT NOW. But as time has shown us, what is good in the short term is not necessarily good in the long term.

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by CV19

Me too, but we will judge for ourselves soon enough. Even the worst possible review wouldn't put me off getting The Abyss or True Lies - or even Aliens for that matter.....my favourite film franchise, and believe me there's a lot of them I like very much.

Totally agree. Alien and Aliens are the Gold standard for sci-fi for me too.

[Ender14]

Originally Posted by Vilya

Today's arrivals:



I hope to be able to watch the new Cameron 4K discs when I am feeling well enough and to determine for myself what I think about their presentation.

Been watching this over the last couple of days. I'm not usually too bothered by revisionism if it's the Director's intent and it more or less looks like I remember. But I must say I am a little disappointed with the picture on this one. A few scenes with close ups of the actors look very waxy. And as I said, I'm not usually bothered too much with things like that. But it is noticeable here.

Don't get me wrong, I'm thrilled to finally have an HD and UHD copy of the film, but wish Cameron hadn't tinkered quite so much. Titanic is still the best of the Cameron 4K's I've watched so far.

[CV19]

Originally Posted by Ender14

Don't get me wrong, I'm thrilled to finally have an HD and UHD copy of the film, but wish Cameron hadn't tinkered quite so much. Titanic is still the best of the Cameron 4K's I've watched so far.

I completely agree with you in that I'm really pleased that The Abyss has finally made an appearance in HD/UHD. I still have the DVD release from around the year 2000, but I'm certainly looking forward to seeing this in HD.

However I do sometimes wonder why directors feel the need to tinker around with their films prior to being released on DVD or Blu-ray. I assume they must have been happy enough with their work when the film was originally made and released in the cinemas. I'm not a Star Wars fan so I don't know what alterations were made, but I seem to remember lots of criticism with the changes made by George Lucas when his original trilogy was released on DVD back in the early 2000's. I'm sure someone mentioned that only the Laser Disc releases contained the unaltered versions of the films.

[stonesfan129]

Originally Posted by Ender14

Been watching this over the last couple of days. I'm not usually too bothered by revisionism if it's the Director's intent and it more or less looks like I remember. But I must say I am a little disappointed with the picture on this one. A few scenes with close ups of the actors look very waxy. And as I said, I'm not usually bothered too much with things like that. But it is noticeable here.

Don't get me wrong, I'm thrilled to finally have an HD and UHD copy of the film, but wish Cameron hadn't tinkered quite so much. Titanic is still the best of the Cameron 4K's I've watched so far.

That's kind of what I thought when I watched it on Apple in 4K UHD. Some shots there was obvious DNR, but I didn't think it looked horrible and it only looked like certain shots had it, others didn't. Who knows maybe I'm going blind.

[stonesfan129]

Was there any explanation as to why Disney did not produce enough discs to meet release day demand on The Abyss, True Lies or Aliens? It seems like the first two they would produce large quantities as these have not come out officially on Blu-ray before.

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by stonesfan129

Was there any explanation as to why Disney did not produce enough discs to meet release day demand on The Abyss, True Lies or Aliens? It seems like the first two they would produce large quantities as these have not come out officially on Blu-ray before.

It seems to be the trend this year for big releases. I just place a pre order with everything these days.

[Tok]

Any one see DFIC latest self congratulating video? I understand he’s striving for quality but his delusional claims on knowing when a film wasn’t color timed properly really bug the crap out of me. Not saying that they’re aren’t some issues but unless one can compare against a film print that was approved by the creators it’s just preference. I think he’s basing his objections on what some films looked like on laserdisc.

He’s not helping physical media when he’s torpedoing nearly every major release which much of it is nitpicking over stuff most wouldn’t notice.

[stonesfan129]

Originally Posted by Tok

Any one see DFIC latest self congratulating video? I understand he’s striving for quality but his delusional claims on knowing when a film wasn’t color timed properly really bug the crap out of me. Not saying that they’re aren’t some issues but unless one can compare against a film print that was approved by the creators it’s just preference. I think he’s basing his objections on what some films looked like on laserdisc.

He’s not helping physical media when he’s torpedoing nearly every major release which much of it is nitpicking over stuff most wouldn’t notice.

No, where can I see that?

[Ender14]

Got a few more gift cards for my birthday so ordered a few more:

[crutzulee]

Originally Posted by Tok

Any one see DFIC latest self congratulating video? I understand he’s striving for quality but his delusional claims on knowing when a film wasn’t color timed properly really bug the crap out of me. Not saying that they’re aren’t some issues but unless one can compare against a film print that was approved by the creators it’s just preference. I think he’s basing his objections on what some films looked like on laserdisc.

He’s not helping physical media when he’s torpedoing nearly every major release which much of it is nitpicking over stuff most wouldn’t notice.

Who's DFIC?

[sapiendut]

Who is DFIC?

[Steedeel]

Who is DFIC ?

(Might as well join in)

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by Ender14

Got a few more gift cards for my birthday so ordered a few more:

Did you have a good one? Many happy returns!

[Tok]

DFIC = Damn Fool Idealistic Crusader

I’m referring to his video on reaching 6,000 subs. Basically it turned into a complaint rally on what he believes is wrong with so many releases.

[sapiendut]

I still don’t know who he is. But no different than many keyboard warriors here who claim, without looking at Kaleidescape and the disc, know what the intent of the video master looks like. Comparing the colour rendition of laser disc and DVHS without realizing (ignoring the fact?) that the colourspace for the laserdisc (601) and dvhs (709) are different than 4K (P3).