Star Wars: Episode VII - The Force Awakens (USE SPOILER TAGS!)

[cinemaphile]

Originally Posted by aiman04

As other members have pointed out, plenty of sources indicate the "many" as majority. And from my own polls:

https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread.php?t=205269

From that sample more than 77% owns Indy 4 on blu-ray one way or another.

I own it. Doesn't mean it's good. Many people own mediocre movies, especially if it's part of a series like that where you have the other 3.

[jedilips]

Originally Posted by BJ Blazkowicz

Seems to be Lucas's influence:

http://thehollywoodwhispers.blogspot...iimichael.html

I don't believe this for a second. In fact, what Jedi News posted makes infinitely more sense. This is essentially a non-issue.

There was never a point that Ardnt was given free reign, it was a collaborative arrangement from day one. By the time the announcement was made, Ardnt had been working with Lucasfilm for four months.

By the time of J.J. Abrams announcement on the 25th January it was also confirmed that “also consulting on the project are Lawrence Kasdan and Simon Kinberg.”.

They had been in place for some time before J.J. came on board. Again, the point being the creative aspects of the project was a group collaboration.

After a year working on the project, at all times meeting in creative writing groups, Ardnt departed in late August / early September with his work effectively done. He had delivered a script that was being used for creative design and development, and with a long line of films seeking his writing skills he sought a fresh challenge. The evolution of his work will continue through Kasdan and Abrams.

There is no dramatic change of direction, there is no new script being written from scratch. Kasdan and Abrams are getting the credit they deserve for their input to date, and for polishing the script between now and shooting. Ardnt’s story remains intact. We are at an advanced stage in the creative phase. Costumes are being designed, sets are being designed and concept work has begun on the special effects.

As with many Hollywood press announcements, the decisions and actions were taken some time ago. As of Friday 25th October Kasdan and Abrams are not sitting down thinking, 'ok what are we going to write about?' Those calls were made long ago in group consultation, and written by Ardnt. The script is in hand – it is being evolved and will continue to be tweaked until the day of shooting, and then probably during the shoot. That is the life of movie making.

[kong73]

is anyone going to pick up STAR WARS: FRAMES?
amazon has it the cheapest, i just order mine

[kemcha]

I'm just hearing that Disney has given Kathleen Kennedy and JJ Abrams an ultimatum, in which it's being reported by The Hollywood Reporter that Kathleen Kennedy and company went to Disney corporate and asked for the release date to be pushed back to 2016. It's being reported that Disney told them in no uncertain terms that it's 2015 or nothing at all.

Now, I've also been reading that many fans are blaming Disney for this but that I don't blame them at all. I blame Kathleen Kennedy and JJ Abrams. They had a screenwriter for the movie (Michael Arnt) who apparently left for some unknown reason, rumors are saying that the script was unusable but nobody will say why that was so.

The problem is that Lucasfilm has always enjoyed the ability to spend three years making movies and they were expecting the same with the new films. I think what happened was that Kennedy, Abrams and Lucas had this all planned out from the start and while that may sound like a good idea, Disney has shareholders to listen to and taking 3-4 years to make a film is just unrealistic.

First, it's Star Wars. Love or hate it, the fans will go just to see a new Star Wars film. They may hate it, but it will still generate millions of dollars in profits. Second, Lucas always spent 3 years on each Star Wars film because it was the only movie he ever worked on. Now that the Star Wars films are at a major studio, most studios are only willing to commit to a two-year production plan.

Now? Everyone's blaming Disney for problems with the production when it's the fault of Kennedy, Abrams and Co for trying to pull a con job over on Disney. I hate to say it, but getting rid of Arndt so they can run to Disney and ask for the movie to be pushed back to 2016? Sorry, guys. But, when you try to pull a con job on the movie industry, don't make it look so obvious. There are even conflicting news reports with some saying that they need to start from scratch with the screenplay while others are stating that they aren't starting from scratch.

Hopefully, Disney can pull the plug and hire someone talented enough who can get it done in the time frame Disney wants it done.

Source: http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/new...-disney-651482

[RyanPom]

Yikes, put a fork in this one. Kennedy really effed it up.

[Jar Jar Stinks]

They should fire JJ and hire Vince Gilligan. That would be all kinds of awesome.

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[RyanPom]

Originally Posted by Jar Jar Stinks

They should fire JJ and hire Vince Gilligan. That would be all kinds of awesome.

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God no.

[MechaGodzilla]

I have a bad feeling about this.

[Doctor Jack]

How can you say it is a con job? This is all conjecture. Who knows why Arndt was let go. There is no indication that he was let go to get more time. Having this go from sale of Star Wars to new movie in 2 years is just a ridiculous time table. Disney should give them more time to get everything right.

[wormraper]

Originally Posted by Doctor Jack

How can you say it is a con job? This is all conjecture. Who knows why Arndt was let go. There is no indication that he was let go to get more time. Having this go from sale of Star Wars to new movie in 2 years is just a ridiculous time table. Disney should give them more time to get everything right.

bingo, 3-4 years for a movie should be standard instead of the crazy rush jobs they have now

[stvn1974]

Disney wants a 2015 release most likely because the have already made deals with Pepsi, McDonalds, Macy's, Wal-Mart, General Mills, Pampers, Pringles and Johnson and Johnson.

[Walts Ghost]

I think both parties are to blame. Kemecha is making this much more melodramatic than it needs to be. It basically comes down to Disney jumping the gun and putting a release year out when there wasn't anyone hired yet. Yes, Arndt had turned in an outline at that point, there wasn't a script or director in place yet. They should have waited to make an announcement like that when they knew everyone involved was ready to go, that way we didn't end up at this point.

Also, Kennedy is the only one going and asking for the release year pushback. Plenty of the articles have said that Abrams is willing to get the movie out for 2015, which is why he and Kasdan took over writing duties on the film. Abrams wasn't happy with the script, and so he is making sure he gets a script that is worth shooting before it happens. It seems Kennedy is the one who's causing most of the ruckus, including butting heads over casting with Abrams. I'm not sure she was ready to be the head of this studio, and she doesn't know what it means to make a release.

But honestly, 2015 IS a loaded year, and moving back 'Episode VII' to 2016 is probably a better idea overall. It'll have more breathing room, and it gives the filmmakers a little bit more breathing room on the film. The last thing we need is the films being rushed, because that's not good for anyone involved. Expectations are huge for this film, and if it doesn't deliver, people may not give the franchise a third chance...

Originally Posted by Doctor Jack

How can you say it is a con job? This is all conjecture. Who knows why Arndt was let go. There is no indication that he was let go to get more time. Having this go from sale of Star Wars to new movie in 2 years is just a ridiculous time table. Disney should give them more time to get everything right.

Kemcha writes posts like that regularly. Very overdramatic and trying to twist the real story.

Originally Posted by wormraper

bingo, 3-4 years for a movie should be standard instead of the crazy rush jobs they have now

Agreed.

[RyanPom]

Originally Posted by wormraper

bingo, 3-4 years for a movie should be standard instead of the crazy rush jobs they have now

If they can crank out Paranormal Activity movies every year, they can do Star Wars.

[Chaotic]

Originally Posted by RyanPom

If they can crank out Paranormal Activity movies every year, they can do Star Wars.

you serious?

[blonde_devil]

Originally Posted by stvn1974

Disney wants a 2015 release most likely because the have already made deals with Pepsi, McDonalds, Macy's, Wal-Mart, General Mills, Pampers, Pringles and Johnson and Johnson.

most likely. although new toys could come out in 2015 anyways like they did with GI Joe, hard to push those things back a year. this might not be as bad as we think. if they are going to do the movies more in the style of the original trilogy, they might not need as much time since there is going to be a lot less rendering of cgi and Lucas wasn't exactly known as the best director - how much time did he waste getting take after take because he couldn't tell them what he wanted? they should have gotten everything lined up first and then set a release date but really, there is no reason why they can't get it done by 2015 and still be a decent movie. the smart thing would be to do it for Christmas 2015 to give that little extra time but they seem to like to release these in summer.

[RyanPom]

Originally Posted by Chaotic

you serious?

Sure, why not? Star Trek can do every two or so years, I don't know why it takes six years to get inferior Wars movies.

[Jasonic]

Unfortunately, corporate doesn't care about quality. They just know it will make money regardless, so a push back of course is going to be a big no no at this stage. They will only except that at a stage when they know it's in trouble.
The only thing here that I really care about is that they obviously don't feel satisfied with the script, and that they will probably just push it forward regardless if it's the script they really want or not. Now just because they aren't satisfied with it, doesn't mean it's not good, but the chances lower heavily. Typically unsatisfactory scripts with rush jobs for re-writes and all that jazz, don't end up being anything special of a movie. Even with things like World War Z, where it still ended up being fairly good, could have been so much more with a satisfactory script.

[stvn1974]

It will take an extra year just to add the lens flares. Yes I went there.

[RyanPom]

Originally Posted by Jasonic

Unfortunately, corporate doesn't care about quality. They just know it will make money regardless, so a push back of course is going to be a big no no at this stage. They will only except that at a stage when they know it's in trouble.
The only thing here that I really care about is that they obviously don't feel satisfied with the script, and that they will probably just push it forward regardless if it's the script they really want or not. Now just because they aren't satisfied with it, doesn't mean it's not good, but the chances lower heavily. Typically unsatisfactory scripts with rush jobs for re-writes and all that jazz, don't end up being anything special of a movie. Even with things like World War Z, where it still ended up being fairly good, could have been so much more with a satisfactory script.

But my argument is we waited 3 years for The Phantom Menace?? Uh yeah.

[Jasonic]

Originally Posted by RyanPom

But my argument is we waited 3 years for The Phantom Menace?? Uh yeah.

I never said just because those involved are at a point of being completely satisfied with the script, automatically means it's going to be a better movie, the chances are just better. And while Lucas isn't the most competent screenwriter, I would say that the scripts to the prequels, were not their biggest problems.