The Official Energy Speakers Thread

[arrt vandelay]

Originally Posted by callas01

Hey Arrt,

I don't remember if it was you or not that I was talking about Sunny Day Real Estate about, but if it was, I now have the Diary album on vinyl, and it sounds so good, just got done listening to it a little while ago.

Audyssey is a pretty cool calibration tool. Go for the 708, their warmer sound is better then the 707s slightly more aggressive sound. IMO

yeah, it was me. i had sunny day's last album, the rising tide, on double lp clear green vinyl back in the day...too bad that album kinda sucked...the other 3 are quite good. i still have my stickered up turntable from college, but i guess i've jumped on the digital revolution. i'm a huge fan of the convenience of music streaming via my pc or external harddrive, makes things so much simpler. actually, i've sold off all my vinyl and am pretty much digital only now, except for the occasional cd. even with that, i'm in the process of selling my oppo universal player so the cd playing will prob die down.

might eventually go for a refurbed onkyo or marantz, but that will prob be a while. might be getting a logitech squeezebox first or might just sit tight as i've bought a lot of crap over the past few months(rc-10s, rc-lcr, and new ps3 slim)...

[callas01]

Originally Posted by arrt vandelay

yeah, it was me. i had sunny day's last album, the rising tide, on double lp clear green vinyl back in the day...too bad that album kinda sucked...the other 3 are quite good. i still have my stickered up turntable from college, but i guess i've jumped on the digital revolution. i'm a huge fan of the convenience of music streaming via my pc or external harddrive, makes things so much simpler. actually, i've sold off all my vinyl and am pretty much digital only now, except for the occasional cd. even with that, i'm in the process of selling my oppo universal player so the cd playing will prob die down.

might eventually go for a refurbed onkyo or marantz, but that will prob be a while. might be getting a logitech squeezebox first or might just sit tight as i've bought a lot of crap over the past few months(rc-10s, rc-lcr, and new ps3 slim)...

I still like vinyl and CDs, at my house we do not have access to high speed internet in our area (rural) So there is no ability to stream movies or music, Id love to add about 10-30k songs to my collection on my laptop and then use it as a music server to my Integra thru an Arcam rDAC, Im still trying to come up with the best way to do it, I think I can thru an external HD if I can get rded and SeanMF to download to an external HD that I can connect and add to my laptop. Or get a Mac Mini and use that as a music server. however, that is down the road for me.

[Miker107]

Originally Posted by callas01

Hey Arrt,

I don't remember if it was you or not that I was talking about Sunny Day Real Estate about, but if it was, I now have the Diary album on vinyl, and it sounds so good, just got done listening to it a little while ago.

Audyssey is a pretty cool calibration tool. Go for the 708, their warmer sound is better then the 707s slightly more aggressive sound. IMO

Steve, I was going to ask if you used the Audyssey to calibrate your system and wondered if it was really worth using. I think you answered my question. I've been looking at the manual for the Integra online and brushing up in advance, as the tech and features are obviously way advanced of what I currently own. I do however have one question about speaker connectivity.
What would I connect my rear speakers to on the back of the receiver, the "Surrounds" or "Back Surrounds?" It probably doesn't make any difference, but I only have a 5.1 set up speaker wise, and my rear speakers are currently placed directly on either side of me as I"m sitting against a wall. Just wondering what the best connection would be.

EDIT: I just went back to the manual and looked at the speaker configuration chart and it answered my question for me. It appears that it should be connected to surround speakers terminals for a 5 speaker set up.

[BigAl87]

Originally Posted by Miker107

Steve, I was going to ask if you used the Audyssey to calibrate your system and wondered if it was really worth using. I think you answered my question. I've been looking at the manual for the Integra online and brushing up in advance, as the tech and features are obviously way advanced of what I currently own. I do however have one question about speaker connectivity.
What would I connect my rear speakers to on the back of the receiver, the "Surrounds" or "Back Surrounds?" It probably doesn't make any difference, but I only have a 5.1 set up speaker wise, and my rear speakers are currently placed directly on either side of me as I"m sitting against a wall. Just wondering what the best connection would be.

EDIT: I just went back to the manual and looked at the speaker configuration chart and it answered my question for me. It appears that it should be connected to surround speakers terminals for a 5 speaker set up.

Correct

[Miker107]

Originally Posted by BigAl87

Correct

Thanks Olivier, that would also make since if I decide to use the Back Surround terminals on the receiver to bi-amp my front L/R speakers as the manual suggests. Would you guys recommend bi-amping the fronts as the manual suggests or no? This is a bit of a learning curve for me so please bear with me.

[callas01]

Originally Posted by Miker107

Thanks Olivier, that would also make since if I decide to use the Back Surround terminals on the receiver to bi-amp my front L/R speakers as the manual suggests. Would you guys recommend bi-amping the fronts as the manual suggests or no? This is a bit of a learning curve for me so please bear with me.

I do not bi-amp, and Dynaudio doesn't believe in it or bi-wiring. With your bookshelfs there really is no need to bi-amp as you have a relatively easy speaker to bi-amp compared to my Dyn X16s. I get plenty of power to my speakers from the receiver in my 4.1 setup.

Trust me, you will too. Youll be amazed at how well the Integra will push and power the RC-10s.

[BigAl87]

Originally Posted by Miker107

Thanks Olivier, that would also make since if I decide to use the Back Surround terminals on the receiver to bi-amp my front L/R speakers as the manual suggests. Would you guys recommend bi-amping the fronts as the manual suggests or no? This is a bit of a learning curve for me so please bear with me.

No problem with Bi Amping speakers, It's great Steve cannot do it with his Dynaudio. All you have to do is remove the bridge or metal plates between the binding post and enable bi-Amp in the Receiver.

[BigAl87]

Originally Posted by callas01

I do not bi-amp, and Dynaudio doesn't believe in it or bi-wiring. With your bookshelfs there really is no need to bi-amp as you have a relatively easy speaker to bi-amp compared to my Dyn X16s. I get plenty of power to my speakers from the receiver in my 4.1 setup.

Trust me, you will too. Youll be amazed at how well the Integra will push and power the RC-10s.

Man you beat me and the fact you can't bi-Amp your dyns but their is pros and cons to bi-Amping sperakers and Totem Enumerates pros and cons of By-Amping single wiring and Bi-wiring on their websites.

Dynaudio does not believe in it but does not mean it's bad, I would suggest to try and see what he likes best IMO. Altho fairly efficient the RC-10 can take alot of power, I have seen the Magnet on the Minis and it's huge as hell. I can only imagine the RC-10.

[callas01]

Originally Posted by BigAl87

Man you beat me and the fact you can't bi-Amp your dyns but their is pros and cons to bi-Amping sperakers and Totem Enumerates pros and cons of By-Amping single wiring and Bi-wiring on their websites.

Dynaudio does not believe in it but does not mean it's bad, I would suggest to try and see what he likes best IMO. Altho fairly efficient the RC-10 can take alot of power, I have seen the Magnet on the Minis and it's huge as hell. I can only imagine the RC-10.

Dynaudio feels that because of their superior crossovers and simple 1st order 6 dbs slope, that there is no need for bi-amping or bi-wiring.

[Miker107]

Originally Posted by BigAl87

Man you beat me and the fact you can't bi-Amp your dyns but their is pros and cons to bi-Amping sperakers and Totem Enumerates pros and cons of By-Amping single wiring and Bi-wiring on their websites.

Dynaudio does not believe in it but does not mean it's bad, I would suggest to try and see what he likes best IMO. Altho fairly efficient the RC-10 can take alot of power, I have seen the Magnet on the Minis and it's huge as hell. I can only imagine the RC-10.

Thanks for your responses Steve and Olivier. I found the bi-amping thread and began reading up on it. Some swear by it while others don't think much of it. I guess it wouldn't hurt to try it later on. I'll hook it up normally to start with and later might get some more speaker wire and try it to see if it makes a difference.
Olivier, I did remember months ago you guys talking about bi-amping some place in this thread, and one of the things I do remember is to remove the metal plate that connects the posts. I also read it in the manual this afternoon, but thanks anyway for the reminder.

[callas01]

Originally Posted by BigAl87

No problem with Bi Amping speakers, It's great Steve cannot do it with his Dynaudio. All you have to do is remove the bridge or metal plates between the binding post and enable bi-Amp in the Receiver.

Passive Bi-amping really has not proven to have any benefit.

[BigAl87]

Originally Posted by callas01

Dynaudio feels that because of their superior crossovers and simple 1st order 6 dbs slope, that there is no need for bi-amping or bi-wiring.

Absolutely not and I agree I have mine single wired with a 2nd order X-over and it's all good .

Most Totems are 2nd order bu the Hawk is first order.

[arrt vandelay]

are we talking of bi-amping w/ a receiver? i did that w/ my c-500s back in the day and only noticed a difference when listening to music, and it really wasn't that much of a diff. i've thought about bi-amping my rc-10s off of my yamaha but don't think it's worth the effort. it can't hurt though if you have the xtra cable, and who knows maybe you'll notice more of a diff than i did.

now if you add an xternal amp, then you should notice a diff for music listening. i've been down that path though and think if you have easy to drive speakers, like the rc-10s, then it's just a waste in my opinion. just get a good receiver from the get go and you're good...

[BigAl87]

Originally Posted by callas01

Passive Bi-amping really has not proven to have any benefit.

True I absolutely believe in the X-over in my Rainmakers altho they are 2nd order they are hand made state of the art X-over and take a Totem Tech 80 minutes to put together.

Dynaudio surely puts the same attention to their X-over. Just let Mike try his Bi-amping, what if the X-over in the RC-sucks?????? not I would doubt that, there is just no harm to try it tho.

[callas01]

Originally Posted by BigAl87

Absolutely not and I agree I have mine single wired with a 2nd order X-over and it's all good .

Most Totems are 2nd order bu the Hawk is first order.

The thing is that, as you go up in the orders(2nd, 3rd, etc) and you have to adjust the slopes, the harder it is to properly control the transients between the tweeter and driver.

I know that Vince knows what hes doing, but Im just giving you the scientific explanation. I think tho, that most subs and receivers use 12 db slopes.

[BigAl87]

Originally Posted by callas01

The thing is that, as you go up in the orders(2nd, 3rd, etc) and you have to adjust the slopes, the harder it is to properly control the transients between the tweeter and driver.

I know that Vince knows what hes doing, but Im just giving you the scientific explanation. I think tho, that most subs and receivers use 12 db slopes.

Yeah I have read about X-over before an article that when you get to 3rd order the compexity of it is quite something, some manufaturer even go 4th order.

to me as long as the X-Over is superior quality and you have a great amp to power your speaker, i just dont see a reason to use bi-amping unless you have absolute beasts to drive.

[donaldsonjune]

hello all,

i got a deal on some bi-wires. but they are not terminated on the ends. no problem, i perfer raw wire. but on the speaker ends (- & +) one cable is much thicker than the other. which cable is for the highs, and which for the lows?
the rc-30's are being bi-wired from a yamaha rvx-657 reciever.

[callas01]

Originally Posted by donaldsonjune

hello all,

i got a deal on some bi-wires. but they are not terminated on the ends. no problem, i perfer raw wire. but on the speaker ends (- & +) one cable is much thicker than the other. which cable is for the highs, and which for the lows?
the rc-30's are being bi-wired from a yamaha rvx-657 reciever.

personally, Id wire the two wires together with some banana plugs or spade connectors and connect it to the bottom binding post and let it run as 10 or 12 gauge wire.

[BigAl87]

Originally Posted by callas01

personally, Id wire the two wires together with some banana plugs or spade connectors and connect it to the bottom binding post and let it run as 10 or 12 gauge wire.

+1

Agree, I use 14 gage wire and it's plenty but my cables are design to offer minimal resistance.

[callas01]

Originally Posted by BigAl87

+1

Agree, I use 14 gage wire and it's plenty but my cables are design to offer minimal resistance.

oliver... whats up buddy?