Physical & Digital EST: The Future of Home Video Discussion Thread

[whipnet]

Originally Posted by alchav21

Getting back to the Original Thread, Disc or Digital. I see more and more Straight to Digital HD, and skipping Disc. Reading up on Distribution, it's up the Studios to decide depending on the Movie or Film. Digital HD is becoming more main stream, and starting to leave Disc behind. Now 4K Disc Combos are in great demand for Recent Releases and Popular Movies.

Do you realize you capitalize when you're making stuff up?

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[master gandhi]

Originally Posted by whipnet

Do you realize you capitalize when you're making stuff up?

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He has a tell.

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[alchav21]

Originally Posted by alchav21

Getting back to the Original Thread, Disc or Digital. I see more and more Straight to Digital HD, and skipping Disc. Reading up on Distribution, it's up the Studios to decide depending on the Movie or Film. Digital HD is becoming more main stream, and starting to leave Disc behind. Now 4K Disc Combos are in great demand for Recent Releases and Popular Movies.

Originally Posted by Steedeel

Can you list those titles that are not getting a DVD or Bluray release? Or is this one of your (IMO) famous bullshit posts?

Originally Posted by whipnet

I was going to ask the same thing. What movies?

Do you realize you capitalize when you're making stuff up?

Boy you guys really gang up, but I guess that makes for interesting Posts. I Capitalize when I want to emphasizes or make a point. Yes, I'll name a few..."Personal Shopper," Absolutely Anything," Scaler, Dark Spirit." These are just a few, I think it's the popularity of Digital HD and the Studios trying to make up cost. The only downside is that you have to pay more, because they are not with UV or iTunes Codes.

[OneWayFilms]

Originally Posted by alchav21

Boy you guys really gang up, but I guess that makes for interesting Posts. I Capitalize when I want to emphasizes or make a point. Yes, I'll name a few..."Personal Shopper," Absolutely Anything," Scaler, Dark Spirit." These are just a few, I think it's the popularity of Digital HD and the Studios trying to make up cost. The only downside is that you have to pay more, because they are not with UV or iTunes Codes.

Forgive me, but I never heard of ANY of those examples you just listed.

But I DID notice Disney just released "NEWSIES: The Broadway Musical" on digital ONLY with no news of any DVD or bluray release as of yet. Many of the fans are very upset that it's digital only and they are really demanding a DVD/Bluray release of it. hope they get the message and release a HARDCOPY of this film.

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by alchav21

Boy you guys really gang up, but I guess that makes for interesting Posts. I Capitalize when I want to emphasizes or make a point. Yes, I'll name a few..."Personal Shopper," Absolutely Anything," Scaler, Dark Spirit." These are just a few, I think it's the popularity of Digital HD and the Studios trying to make up cost. The only downside is that you have to pay more, because they are not with UV or iTunes Codes.

So, just because they aren't listed as Bluray yet, you are presuming they won't get a release?
By the way, Personal Shopper is getting a Bluray here in the U.K. So pleased Digital is crashing and burning here!

Oh, by the way, Scaler IS getting a Bluray release. Late summer I believe in the U.S

Absolutely Amyrhing is a bit of a dog and they may have decided to not rush the Bluray for American audiences. It's out on Bluray here again.

Personal Shopper will be announced soon, I'm pretty sure of that.

[alchav21]

Originally Posted by alchav21

Boy you guys really gang up, but I guess that makes for interesting Posts. I Capitalize when I want to emphasizes or make a point. Yes, I'll name a few..."Personal Shopper," Absolutely Anything," Scaler, Dark Spirit." These are just a few, I think it's the popularity of Digital HD and the Studios trying to make up cost. The only downside is that you have to pay more, because they are not with UV or iTunes Codes.

Originally Posted by Steedeel

So, just because they aren't listed as Bluray yet, you are presuming they won't get a release?
By the way, Personal Shopper is getting a Bluray here in the U.K. So pleased Digital is crashing and burning here!

Oh, by the way, Scaler IS getting a Bluray release. Late summer I believe in the U.S

Absolutely Amyrhing is a bit of a dog and they may have decided to not rush the Bluray for American audiences. It's out on Bluray here again.

Personal Shopper will be announced soon, I'm pretty sure of that.

I was reading up on the Distribution of Film and Movies, and it does depend on the Markets. It seems Digital HD has not taken a firm hold in the UK, so they go with Disc. The Studios do decide at times when to Release, and in what Format. I was just observing that here in the US, they are going more and more Digital HD. Then I think they will look for the demand in other Formats.

[alchav21]

Originally Posted by alchav21

Boy you guys really gang up, but I guess that makes for interesting Posts. I Capitalize when I want to emphasizes or make a point. Yes, I'll name a few..."Personal Shopper," Absolutely Anything," Scaler, Dark Spirit." These are just a few, I think it's the popularity of Digital HD and the Studios trying to make up cost. The only downside is that you have to pay more, because they are not with UV or iTunes Codes.

Originally Posted by OneWayFilms

Forgive me, but I never heard of ANY of those examples you just listed.

But I DID notice Disney just released "NEWSIES: The Broadway Musical" on digital ONLY with no news of any DVD or bluray release as of yet. Many of the fans are very upset that it's digital only and they are really demanding a DVD/Bluray release of it. hope they get the message and release a HARDCOPY of this film.

Those Movies aren't main stream, and I think the Studios will see how they do in Digital HD Release as to how they will Release in other Formats. That's probably what Disney is doing too, and I'm sure if the demand is there for Disc it will be Released that way.

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by alchav21

I was reading up on the Distribution of Film and Movies, and it does depend on the Markets. It seems Digital HD has not taken a firm hold in the UK, so they go with Disc. The Studios do decide at times when to Release, and in what Format. I was just observing that here in the US, they are going more and more Digital HD. Then I think they will look for the demand in other Formats.

But I could list hundreds of recent Bluray releases of cult stuff that will probably not see a Digital HD release for years if ever. I also noticed recently, a cult film from the 80's (Intruder) is getting released on 4K Bluray. A obscure slasher film seeing a 4K release is just wonderful. So it works both ways. Bluray is absolutely the way to go for me regardless as I can continuously add to my horror collection and with tiles I could only dream about seeing released a while back.

Basically your evidence for Digital only releases was a obscure title no one has heard of (which is actually getting a Bluray lol) and two films that have only just come out on Digital and are almost certain to get a Bluray in the next couple of months. You need to do a lot better.

[alchav21]

Originally Posted by alchav21

I was reading up on the Distribution of Film and Movies, and it does depend on the Markets. It seems Digital HD has not taken a firm hold in the UK, so they go with Disc. The Studios do decide at times when to Release, and in what Format. I was just observing that here in the US, they are going more and more Digital HD. Then I think they will look for the demand in other Formats.

Originally Posted by Steedeel

But I could list hundreds of recent Bluray releases of cult stuff that will probably not see a Digital HD release for years if ever. I also noticed recently, a cult film from the 80's (Intruder) is getting released on 4K Bluray. A obscure slasher film seeing a 4K release is just wonderful. So it works both ways. Bluray is absolutely the way to go for me regardless as I can continuously add to my horror collection and with tiles I could only dream about seeing released a while back.

Basically your evidence for Digital only releases was a obscure title no one has heard of (which is actually getting a Bluray lol) and two films that have only just come out on Digital and are almost certain to get a Bluray in the next couple of months. You need to do a lot better.

I really don't think it's a competition, it's a preference. You prefer Disc, and I Digital HD. I run into a Movie once in a while that hasn't come over to Digital HD, so if I want to see it bad enough I will use Disc. All the Studios want is to sell their Movies and Film in what ever Format people demand. 4K is the Hot Format, and if the demand is there for a particular Movie the Studios and Distributors will make it.....Very Simple!

[cpr3584]

More news

Buoyed by consumer adoption of 4K television and increased content selection, about 8.4 million 4K UHD Blu-ray Discs will be sold in 2017, according to new data from Futuresource Consulting.

Without providing sales numbers, DEG reported “first-year sales data shows consumers are enthusiastically embracing” Ultra HD Blu-ray Disc, buying films and TV shows “at a faster pace than they did” in 2006 when two high-definition disc formats, Blu-ray Disc and HD-DVD, were launched.

4K BD unit sales last year in France topped 60,000 following their retail debut in late April.

Futuresource said UHD digital sellthrough has yet to gain significant traction, but this could change if major pay-TV operators support and sell the format. Another driver is the reported potential launch of a 4K content store from Apple.

[Texan26]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

Basically your evidence for Digital only releases was a obscure title no one has heard of (which is actually getting a Bluray lol) and two films that have only just come out on Digital and are almost certain to get a Bluray in the next couple of months. You need to do a lot better.

Kinda like a Puss in Boots episode getting a digital interactive release and you think that's the direction Hollywood is going with all their movies.

[Zu Nim]

Originally Posted by cpr3584

Futuresource said UHD digital sellthrough has yet to gain significant traction, but this could change if major pay-TV operators support and sell the format. Another driver is the reported potential launch of a 4K content store from Apple.

This is news from February, so more like olds.

The studios are executing pretty poorly with UHD EST. As noted, Apple doesn't support it yet and they're the biggest digital retailer. UHD pricing is way too high for widespread adoption. And worse, we've got two providers (VUDU and FandangoNow) who have all kinds of inconsistencies. Let me count the ways...

1. VUDU claims to "not have UHD redemption rights" for some 4K discs so you only get HDX.
2. Paramount has a couple of titles that you can buy or redeem in UHD at VUDU but will only port to your UV locker as HD.
3. Several other UHD titles at VUDU don't port to your UV locker even though their HDX versions will.
4. Universal has dozens more UHD UV titles at FandangoNow than VUDU.
5. Fox sells UHD only at FandangoNow and none of their UHD titles will port to your UV locker.
6. And let's not forget Sony, who only support UHD on their own devices. (They at least put UHD in your UV locker.)
7. VUDU still doesn't support HDR10 although they say it's coming.
8. I have no idea what 4K devices FandangoNow supports because who uses them?

None of this adds up to a positive consumer experience with UHD. The studios should be embarrassed and nobody should be surprised when it doesn't achieve better penetration.

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by Texan26

Kinda like a Puss in Boots episode getting a digital interactive release and you think that's the direction Hollywood is going with all their movies.

Which has zilch to do with this discussion.

[alchav21]

Originally Posted by cpr3584

Futuresource said UHD digital sellthrough has yet to gain significant traction, but this could change if major pay-TV operators support and sell the format. Another driver is the reported potential launch of a 4K content store from Apple.

Originally Posted by Zu Nim

This is news from February, so more like olds.

The studios are executing pretty poorly with UHD EST. As noted, Apple doesn't support it yet and they're the biggest digital retailer. UHD pricing is way too high for widespread adoption. And worse, we've got two providers (VUDU and FandangoNow) who have all kinds of inconsistencies. Let me count the ways...

None of this adds up to a positive consumer experience with UHD. The studios should be embarrassed and nobody should be surprised when it doesn't achieve better penetration.

I have bought 4K Combo Packs, but only for the Digital 4K, then I sell the Discs. Since I have a Sony UHD TV, I only buy the Sony 4K Movies. Looking at the 4K Forum, a lot of people are doing the same thing and like you guys said are having problems Redeeming 4K Digital. So it does seem that a large number of people that are buying 4K Movies are only interested in the 4K Digital Code.

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by cpr3584

More news

Buoyed by consumer adoption of 4K television and increased content selection, about 8.4 million 4K UHD Blu-ray Discs will be sold in 2017, according to new data from Futuresource Consulting.

Without providing sales numbers, DEG reported “first-year sales data shows consumers are enthusiastically embracing” Ultra HD Blu-ray Disc, buying films and TV shows “at a faster pace than they did” in 2006 when two high-definition disc formats, Blu-ray Disc and HD-DVD, were launched.

4K BD unit sales last year in France topped 60,000 following their retail debut in late April.

Futuresource said UHD digital sellthrough has yet to gain significant traction, but this could change if major pay-TV operators support and sell the format. Another driver is the reported potential launch of a 4K content store from Apple.

Kicking their ass! There is no substitute for quality!

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by alchav21

I have bought 4K Combo Packs, but only for the Digital 4K, then I sell the Discs. Since I have a Sony UHD TV, I only buy the Sony 4K Movies. Looking at the 4K Forum, a lot of people are doing the same thing and like you guys said are having problems Redeeming 4K Digital. So it does seem that a large number of people that are buying 4K Movies are only interested in the 4K Digital Code.

Of course they are mate, of course they are!

[randian]

Originally Posted by Zu Nim

None of this adds up to a positive consumer experience with UHD. The studios should be embarrassed and nobody should be surprised when it doesn't achieve better penetration.

It appears they're trying to do with UHD what they were doing before UV, pushing consumer lockin by every studio having their own digital purchase/redemption portal with its own login. I know I had accounts with Sony and Paramount back in the day.

I don't understand the point of this regression. With the possible exception of Disney studio branding is important only to studio executives, not consumers.

iTunes as a one-stop shop was more consumer-friendly and made the studio portals redundant. UV would never have existed without it.

[veritas]

Originally Posted by alchav21

Boy you guys really gang up, but I guess that makes for interesting Posts. I Capitalize when I want to emphasizes or make a point. Yes, I'll name a few..."Personal Shopper," Absolutely Anything," Scaler, Dark Spirit." These are just a few, I think it's the popularity of Digital HD and the Studios trying to make up cost. The only downside is that you have to pay more, because they are not with UV or iTunes Codes.

You can name a few obscure shows that few have ever heard of that will get a digital only release and I can name 99% of anime that won't see a digital release at all. Both formats have missing content its only noticeable when you look at niche or low budget genres/films though.

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by veritas

You can name a few obscure shows that few have ever heard of that will get a digital only release and I can name 99% of anime that won't see a digital release at all. Both formats have missing content its only noticeable when you look at niche or low budget genres/films though.

Yes and one of the films listed was indeed getting a Bluray release this summer.

One thing I do know. As a horror fan, I have never been better served. Bluray is seeing some fantastic cult/rare horror releases.

[squatting hen]

Originally Posted by randian

It appears they're trying to do with UHD what they were doing before UV, pushing consumer lockin by every studio having their own digital purchase/redemption portal with its own login. I know I had accounts with Sony and Paramount back in the day.

I don't understand the point of this regression. With the possible exception of Disney studio branding is important only to studio executives, not consumers.

iTunes as a one-stop shop was more consumer-friendly and made the studio portals redundant. UV would never have existed without it.

Only if you purchased an Apple device.