The Official Energy Speakers Thread

[Cpt_Dylan_Hunt]

Oh, off topic here but I've been meaning to say it since we talked about what we listen to on our Energy's way back.

Imo Cat Stevens > John Mayer.

I tried listening to John Mayer after someone posted it sounded good on the c-500s, and I agree, the music sounds good on the speakers, but the music itself reminds me a bit of Cat Stevens. I've heard John Mayer before when my wife was listening to it, but never enough to actually think about it So I started listening to good ol Cat Stevens again. Cat Stevens is the man! The last time I listened to Cat stevens was years ago on crappy computer speakers so this was a real treat.

And Johnny Cash is also the man but that's a different story.

[94GTStang]

Originally Posted by BigAl87

I have posted somewhere on this thread that your receiver sends frequecies from 120hz to 20 000hz at 6ohm load. So the lowest frequecy to ever come out of your speakers is 120hz which is quite high. This receiver was really intended to work with small HTIB speakers.

When you finally get that denon 790 you'll freak out on the difference it will make in sound it's gonna be a whole new world. I think you'll be in shock!!!

That's right I remember now. Wow that's really really poor. Ok. Next month I'll convince the misses that I need to get this and it's the LAST piece of the HT I need. I'll probably order the rear surrounds next week or so.

[Yeha-Noha]

Originally Posted by Cpt_Dylan_Hunt

I disagree, I MUCH prefer the 60hz setting. Especially for music. The 80hz setting makes the subwoofer sound more like a subwoofer and less like the bass is comming from the speakers. At 60hz I can close my eyes and not even tell a subwoofer is in my room. Lots of bass yes, but it sounds like it's from the towers. Also, at 80hz during some kinds of heavy music where a guitar riff comes out of the left or right only speaker, it tends to sound wimpier with an 80hz crossover. It's a big difference to me, and the 80hz setting sounds much less natural.

80hz is the standard but I do not like it.

And there's a good reason for 80 Hz being the standard. You don't have to agree with it. It's more important that you tailor the sound to suit your needs. Now, of course, I can't say that I agree with you either, but I do understand.

I suspect based on your description of the sound that your sub might not be in the best location and C-500s are perhaps in a more ideal location as far as their ability to pump out decent bass. I personally would put the C-500's where they have widest dispersion, imaging, and clarity which might not be the best location for bass response. Then place the sub so it is in the best location for smoothest bass response at least out to 80 Hz - 100 Hz. After that decide which crossover point to use whether it be 60 Hz or 80 Hz. That's what I did, and it worked well for me.

[BigAl87]

To keep going in rwojtalewicz's direction you could try the following to setup your sub.

A quick and easy way to place your subwoofer. look at this link I think it the most efficient way if your alone to do it instead of moving the sub around.

http://www.axiomaudio.com/tips_subwoofer_placement.html

In my case I don't have much of choice because of the room I have I really have no where else to put it but all in all I think it pretty good.

[Cpt_Dylan_Hunt]

I suspect based on your description of the sound that your sub might not be in the best location and C-500s are perhaps in a more ideal location as far as their ability to pump out decent bass. I personally would put the C-500's where they have widest dispersion, imaging, and clarity which might not be the best location for bass response.

My fronts are NOT setup to get the best bass. They're postioned after much trail and error, where I get the best imaging, clearity, and soundstage without losing focus. You're barking up the wrong tree on that one.

To keep going in rwojtalewicz's direction you could try the following to setup your sub.

A quick and easy way to place your subwoofer. look at this link I think it the most efficient way if your alone to do it instead of moving the sub around.

http://www.axiomaudio.com/tips_subwoofer_placement.html

Actually my subwoofer has been setup after much research and trial and error and where it is now is where I get the smoothest, most even bass response. I just checked that link and there was nothing I didn't aleady know or havn't done. I have indeed done the subwoofer crawl.The 60hz vs 80hz issue in this case has NOTHING to do with the sub location. I figured someone would say that though. It's the fact that between 60-80 hz is easier to indentify as different from your speaker's bass than below 60hz.

There are tons of other people, people much more knowledgable than me, who also prefer the 60hz X-over, even on similar speakers. So it's not just me, and it's not my sub not being as good as rwojtalewicz's which is what he first implied, and it's not the sub location in this case. 60hz is actually a very popular X-over on many HT sites. On this site 80hz seems to be the trend at the moment, on some others sites, you'll get pages of info why 80hz is not good. 80hz isn't the standard because it's better, it's because it's the "THX" recommendation, and it's more likely to work with the average speaker setup. I don't follow trends, I follow what sounds good with my particular setup. And rather than go with a bunch of numbers to explain why 60hz can be better, I'm telling you what my ears say. And that's what is all about. The 60hz corssover produces a more natural blend into the sub, and even though my sub may be superior at bass over the c-500s at those frequences, my c-500s produce bass that blends better with the rest of the speaker between 60 and 80hz always. It's more natural. Regardless of where I put my sub in my room, regardless of where I put my current speakers, the 60hz crossover ALWAYS sounds better for music with my current hardware and room size/shape, period!


God damn you guys, just because someone likes their crossover lower than you doesn't mean they are HT idiots. The stuff you're pointing out is the stuff you learn on the first day of being interested in HT. I'm not an idiot. I'm not a pro either, but I'm not an idiot, don't insult me.

[arrt vandelay]

Originally Posted by Cpt_Dylan_Hunt

My fronts are NOT setup to get the best bass. There are postioned after much trail and error, where I get the best imaging, clearity, and soundstage without losing focus. You're barking up the wrong tree on that one.

Actually my subwoofer has been setup after much research and trial and error and where it is now is where I get the smoothest, most even bass response. The 60hz vs 80hz issue in this case has NOTHING to do with the sub location. I figured someone would say that though. It's the fact that between 60-80 hz is easier to indentify as different from your speaker's bass than below 60hz.

There are tons of other people, people much more knowledgable than me, who also prefer the 60hz X-over, even on similar speakers. So it's not just me, and it's not just my sub not being as good as yours which you first implied, and it's not the sub location. 60hz is actually a very popular X-over on many HT sites. On this site 80hz seems to be the trend at the moment, on some others sites, you'll get pages of info why 80hz is not good. 80hz isn't the standard because it's better, it's because it's the "THX" recommendation, and it's more likely to work with the average speaker setup. I don't follow trends, I follow what sounds good with my particular setup. And rather than go with a bunch of numbers to explain why 60hz can be better, I'm telling you what my ears say. And that's what is all about. Regardless of where I put my sub in my room, regardless of where I put my current speakers, the 60hz crossover ALWAYS sounds better for music with my current hardware and room size/shape, period!

edit: I just checked that link and there was nothing I didn't aleady know or havn't done. I have indeed done the subwoofer crawl.

God damn you guys, just because someone likes their crossover lower than you doesn't mean they are HT idiots. The stuff you're pointing out is the stuff you learn on the first day of being interested in HT. I'm not an idiot. I'm not a pro either, but I'm not an idiot, don't insult me.

seriously...

[Cpt_Dylan_Hunt]

Originally Posted by arrt vandelay

seriously...

ah, ****it.

See ya

[BigAl87]

That is just sad to see a fellow owner leave like that because people are trying to help. I personally like the X-over at 60hz too when listening to music and I even supported that in a previous post.

You can't just take everything personal people don't even know you and just trying to help to the best of their knowledge. I don't think anyone has the absolute truth here. Beeing open minded is not always easy but I find interesting to see peoples opinions on different topics.

This really confirms that sound can be very subjective at times. What sounds good to your ears may sound different to other peoples ear. This does not make you or other people idiots.

These are just my thought I wanted to share that.

[Yeha-Noha]

Originally Posted by Cpt_Dylan_Hunt

God damn you guys, just because someone likes their crossover lower than you doesn't mean they are HT idiots. The stuff you're pointing out is the stuff you learn on the first day of being interested in HT. I'm not an idiot. I'm not a pro either, but I'm not an idiot, don't insult me.

I know you're not, dylan. So, there's nothing more to discuss.

[Yeha-Noha]

Originally Posted by BigAl87

That is just sad to see a fellow owner leave like that because people are trying to help. I personally like the X-over at 60hz too when listening to music and I even supported that in a previous post.

You can't just take everything personal people don't even know you and just trying to help to the best of their knowledge. I don't think anyone has the absolute truth here. Beeing open minded is not always easy but I find interesting to see peoples opinions on different topics.

This really confirms that sound can be very subjective at times. What sounds good to your ears may sound different to other peoples ear. This does not make you or other people idiots.

These are just my thought I wanted to share that.

+1

He took it personally. Never in my dreams would I call his sub inferior to mine, implied or not. I am an avid supporter of Energy speakers. His Energy ESW-V10 sub is a better sub than the one I have. I would love to have that sub too, but I just didn't want to spend that much for it. There is no way I would ever say such a thing. He was sad to say, mistaken on that one.

[BigAl87]

Originally Posted by rwojtalewicz

+1

He took it personally. Never in my dreams would I call his sub inferior to mine, implied or not. I am an avid supporter of Energy speakers. His Energy ESW-V10 sub is a better sub than the one I have. I would love to have that sub too, but I just didn't want to spend that much for it. There is no way I would ever say such a thing. He was sad to say, mistaken on that one.

Ya I even recall seeing callas posting the 299$ special on it at WWS and you were biting your thumbs off for not waiting an extra week cause you would have taken the ESW-v10 if I recall correctly

[aramis109]

Originally Posted by callas01

Dylan, I never notice that the Sony 920 strains. I have pushed my receiver with all types of audio. I have heard it in large rooms and medium rooms. It is a very good mid level receiver. I had The Matrix, U571, Live Free or Die Hard, Band of Brothers, blus at -5 db's just rocking my 14x20 living room. I have had CDs and music Blus doing the same and I cannot turn them up past -11 bd's or it becomes too loud. AND I LIKE THINGS LOUD. I experience 0 distrotion, and no strain in the reciever. I don't know what people are talking about. I think it is all just a biasness towards their particular Brand.

Also I see a lot of High End shops around me carrying Denon, Marantz and Sony ES models. Never do I see them with Onkyo. A few Pioneer Elites and High End Yamahas, but Mostly Denon and Sony ES.

The reason you don't see Onkyo anywhere is that they're a pain to work with. Many times shops would send out for parts and experience long delays, or get sent the wrong parts. As a result, the B&M shop would get the brunt of the customer's ire when they were just caught in the middle.

In the end I think it became too much of a pain for many of them. There are only two shops within 4 hours of me that service Onkyo. I actually got that information from one of them. He said he's thought about dropping them more than once.

If anything, it's a reason to be cautious when purchasing an Onkyo product, but in my opinion their products perform pretty close to specs.

[callas01]

Originally Posted by Cpt_Dylan_Hunt

ah, ****it.

See ya

I use a 70hz crossover personally.

[callas01]

Originally Posted by aramis109

The reason you don't see Onkyo anywhere is that they're a pain to work with. Many times shops would send out for parts and experience long delays, or get sent the wrong parts. As a result, the B&M shop would get the brunt of the customer's ire when they were just caught in the middle.

In the end I think it became too much of a pain for many of them. There are only two shops within 4 hours of me that service Onkyo. I actually got that information from one of them. He said he's thought about dropping them more than once.

If anything, it's a reason to be cautious when purchasing an Onkyo product, but in my opinion their products perform pretty close to specs.

I fine if someone likes Onkyo... Doesn't bother me... just there are soo many Sony haters... Mine works great. I know it won't be exactly to spec, but none of the onkyo, sony, yamaha or pios are in the sub $800 range are. Look under the Receivers and find the thread named Pioneer 1019... look at the specs that JasonR posted for that receiver.... mind boggleing.

[Big Daddy]

Originally Posted by callas01

I fine if someone likes Onkyo... Doesn't bother me... just there are soo many Sony haters... Mine works great. I know it won't be exactly to spec, but none of the onkyo, sony, yamaha or pios are in the sub $800 range are. Look under the Receivers and find the thread named Pioneer 1019... look at the specs that JasonR posted for that receiver.... mind boggleing.

I believe there was a review of the Pioneer 1019 receiver in the most recent Home Theater magazine.

There is nothing wrong with Sony receivers. Many people who post negative comments have never even seen a Sony receiver. Most people do not realize that electronic companies, particularly in Japan, compete and co-operate. They probably share the same components and technologies.

Unfortunately, on any give day, any product (cheap or expensive) can fail. That does not necessarily mean the product or the company is bad. Electronic products have become too complex and do too many things. In order to keep costs down, manufacturers assemble most of their products in low cost countries under questionable supervision. I believe there was a part in the Baraka DVD & Blu-ray, where they show assembly lines. Many electronic products such as computers, amplifiers, receivers, digital camera are more similar than different. After all, we don't have too many companies that make chips, circuit boards, and the software needed to run these products.

[callas01]

I completely agree, look at how Pioneer and Panasonic were sharing plasma tech before Pioneer backed out... I know they all do it, Sony, Samsung, Sharp, LG they all share things for LCDS.

[Yeha-Noha]

Originally Posted by BigAl87

Ya I even recall seeing callas posting the 299$ special on it at WWS and you were biting your thumbs off for not waiting an extra week cause you would have taken the ESW-v10 if I recall correctly

Yes, I remember posting: 'I was kicking myself in the butt' for missing out on that deal.

[94GTStang]

Just ordered two c-50's for the rear surrounds

[BigAl87]

Originally Posted by 94GTStang

Just ordered two c-50's for the rear surrounds

Congrats on that and enjoy

BTW you can change you Sig then

Next on the list is your receiver, that will be a true winner!

[malam]

I am thinking of adding a pair of RC-Mini Centre units as my fronts Left and Right speakers. Its serving as my current centre and I love it. Any opinions on having the same for the fronts ? The manufacturer suggests it could double as fronts too.