Physical & Digital EST: The Future of Home Video Discussion Thread

[Vilya]

I just wanted to point out that Second Sight's release of The Hitcher 4K causes the Oppo 203 to manifest a small glitch when starting playback of the movie AND viewing it with Dolby Vision. This glitch happens with some combinations of the Oppo 203 and TVs, but not all. The glitch does not occur when watching with just HDR10. I experienced this issue when watching with my Oppo 203 and my Sony Bravia 9 TV.

When starting the movie the screen will go black and it will freeze there with the Oppo 203 display timer at 0:00:00. If you press the remote control's "Top Menu" button twice in a row, playback will start from the very beginning.

Alternatively, you can stop the disc, return to the Oppo's home menu, press play on the remote and select "resume" when the prompt appears. You can also use the "go to" button on the remote and manually set the timer to 0:00:01 and the movie will play normally. I prefer the "Top Menu" button fix myself.

It's an odd and minor nuisance. The upcoming U.S. release may fix this, but the Second Sight edition has LOTS of fun extra features, so I would still recommend getting it. The upcoming Warner Bros. release will likely be bare bones as far as extras are concerned.

Edit: Credit for the glitch fixes goes to forum members sfmarine, Geoff D, and David M; they posted about it here:

https://forum.blu-ray.com/showpost.p...postcount=1332

https://forum.blu-ray.com/showpost.p...postcount=1412

https://forum.blu-ray.com/showpost.p...postcount=1440

[bhampton]

I am convinced if Dolby Vision wasn't buggy it would be as much of a standard as Dolby Audio currently is.

I don't suppose it's glitchy in some arenas but for like TVs and home playback it's got a lot of problems when it should be trouble free.

[Wendell R. Breland]

Originally Posted by Vilya

I did not see any diagnostic option that would provide any objective data.

My comments were simply based upon my subjective observations using the Sony Pictures Core service.

Sorry if it seemed like I was questioning your observations, I was just curious if the Sony provided any objective data.

Netflix used to provide several test videos that would show data rate, frame rate and resolution. Then they removed data rate and resolution. Prime diagnostic screens used to show video resolution, video data rate and audio data rate. That feature has been removed. Would not be surprised if streamers try to force Apple to remove the HUD from the Apple TV4K. It is already a PITA because the HUD disappears with every tvOS update, then I have to update the Mac Mini OS then Xcode in order to install HUD again.

Just in case anyone wonders: HUD = Heads Up Display. It is a diagnostic screen that shows some network, audio and video parameters. It looks like this:

[Show spoiler]

[Vilya]

Originally Posted by Wendell R. Breland

Sorry if it seemed like I was questioning your observations, I was just curious if the Sony provided any objective data.

I took no offense. I just wanted to make it clear that I was merely expressing my subjective opinion and that I had no objective data to support it.

It seems like streaming services, and digital storefronts, do not want us to have access to such data.

[cheez avenger]

The Hitcher 4K I got was the standard edition - I didn't splurge for the giant box set, because I will be splurging on other things in the coming weeks.

[crutzulee]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

Hush is a very effective little thriller/horror, an interesting premise with several intense scenes.

Strange Darling I have pre ordered, but some calling it the best film of the year, it’s a no brainer blind buy for me.

Not on your list, but I recommend Eight For Silver (The Cursed in USA possibly). It’s a hugely atmospheric werewolf flick, it’s gory but has several really good suspense scenes, and an interesting approach to the beasts.

Count me as one that considers STRANGE DARLING as the best the year has had to offer....

Also VERY stoked that HUSH is getting the 4K treatment... even if too late for a HALLOWEEN showing..

[cheez avenger]

I'm probably going to blind-buy Hush on 4K at some point, as well. Heard great things about Strange Darling.

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by cheez avenger

The Hitcher 4K I got was the standard edition - I didn't splurge for the giant box set, because I will be splurging on other things in the coming weeks.

Same.

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by crutzulee

Count me as one that considers STRANGE DARLING as the best the year has had to offer....

Also VERY stoked that HUSH is getting the 4K treatment... even if too late for a HALLOWEEN showing..

I remember. I’m very hyped, same for The Substance.

[stonesfan129]

I picked up A QUIET PLACE: DAY ONE on Blu-ray from Amazon as it was only another $2 more than FN and comes with the digital code.

Also picked up EXHUMA on FN in 4K.

Looking forward to watching both this weekend. I get that they want to save money, but it would be nice if the 4KBD included the regular BD too. I would probably have paid a little more for the 4KBD if it did.

[Anthony P]

Originally Posted by Vilya

It seems like streaming services, and digital storefronts, do not want us to have access to such data.

I see it more like clocks in malls and other similar places. there is nothing for them to gain and everything to lose.

[crutzulee]

Really enjoyed watching ALIEN ROMULUS yesterday... can't wait for the physical disc!

[alchav21]

Originally Posted by Vilya

It seems like streaming services, and digital storefronts, do not want us to have access to such data.

Originally Posted by Anthony P

I see it more like clocks in malls and other similar places. there is nothing for them to gain and everything to lose.

IMO in order to really tell the difference between Good Solid Streaming and Disc is to have a High End UHD Big Screen and Sound System. With an Average Screen and Sound people tend to only believe the Stats on Disc and Streaming, and not do their own Visual and Sound!

[Vilya]

Originally Posted by alchav21

IMO in order to really tell the difference between Good Solid Streaming and Disc is to have a High End UHD Big Screen and Sound System. With an Average Screen and Sound people tend to only believe the Stats on Disc and Streaming, and not do their own Visual and Sound!

You forgot to remind us that we need a hard wired internet connection and symmetrical internet service, too.

The real way to tell the difference between streaming and disc is to do a direct comparison by watching the same movie via both sources on your own personal set-up; how things look and sound in your own home with your own equipment (and your settings choices) in your own environment is what matters. Compare the 4K stream to the 4K disc, the HD stream to the blu-ray disc, and even the SD stream to the DVD.

Once you see and hear the differences that's where the objective measurement data becomes interesting; the data allows you to quantify the discrepancies beyond the mere use of subjective adjectives like describing the video/ audio quality as terrible, bad, good, or (dare I say it) fantastic!

[cheez avenger]

After a week with the Amazon Firestick 4K Max, I went ahead and deleted the PRIME app from the ATV4K and will have the Firestick be my dedicated PRIME streamer going forward. It's such a stable device and there seem less screwups than the PRIME app on the ATV4K. Granted, being that Firestick & App are within the same ecosystem under Amazon, they'll receive better attention than using the app on an Apple device.

[Vilya]

I posted this little personal statistic in the General Chat section:

https://forum.blu-ray.com/showpost.p...ostcount=28735

, ain't it?

[Anthony P]

Originally Posted by alchav21

IMO in order to really tell the difference between Good Solid Streaming and Disc is to have a High End UHD Big Screen and Sound System. With an Average Screen and Sound people tend to only believe the Stats on Disc and Streaming, and not do their own Visual and Sound!

1) I don't know what that has to do with the discussion at hand. Let's take it a bit further and say for fun Joe can't see or here the diifference between the uncompressed A/V and a 1mbps stream. What would be wrong with JOe beiing able to say "wow what they can do with 1mbps is amazing."

2) yes some here have exceptional systems, but that is far from everyone and even the people with exceptional systems probably have some taht are more average.


3) The irony in your comment is that since you are the only one here without a UHD BD player you are the only one that can't compare the two. But somehow you feal like sharing your ignorant opinion.

[Anthony P]

Originally Posted by Vilya

I posted this little personal statistic in the General Chat section:

https://forum.blu-ray.com/showpost.p...ostcount=28735

, ain't it?

ouch

[Anthony P]

FYI
Redbox easily reverse-engineered to reveal customers’ names, zip codes, rentals....

https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2024...-2471-rentals/

PS just decided this tidbit might be important een if people don't want to read the whole article

The device talks to a secure payment transaction device (so there's no logs of full credit info) but it logs a bunch of stuff that it really shouldn't: We've got the first 6 and last 4 [digits] of each credit card used, plus some lower level transaction details,

[stonesfan129]

Originally Posted by cheez avenger

After a week with the Amazon Firestick 4K Max, I went ahead and deleted the PRIME app from the ATV4K and will have the Firestick be my dedicated PRIME streamer going forward. It's such a stable device and there seem less screwups than the PRIME app on the ATV4K. Granted, being that Firestick & App are within the same ecosystem under Amazon, they'll receive better attention than using the app on an Apple device.

I love the Firestick 4K Max I bought last Prime Day sale. I can't remember what I paid, but it was significantly less than it usually costs. My only complaint is you're inundated by ads on the page. But I got one mainly to use for watching my digital copies when I travel. For that, it has been great. In my home, I already have Rokus in my bedroom and den, and an LG BP350 in the den to play discs.