Fantastic Four (2015)

[Underworld54]

Kinsberg now backing off of the X-Men crossover talk.
"They exist in parallel universes," "Fantastic Four" producers Simon Kinberg and Hutch Parker told the Daily News in a joint email.

"The Fantastic 4 live in a world without mutants. And the X-Men live in a world without the Fantastic 4."

[DisneyBlu]

Why was my post with the tweet reactions deleted?

[Astro Zombie]

Oh, and there's no Stan Lee cameo in it, either.

Come on, couldn't even get this right.

[DisneyBlu]

Originally Posted by Astro Zombie

Come on, couldn't even get this right.

Stan Lee said this when asked about a cameo (article from January of this year):

“I haven’t heard anything about it,” Lee said. “I don’t know where they’re shooting it. If it’s too far away, then maybe not. A special pickup shot in L.A. is always nice, though. They know how to reach me!”

I certainly hope they tried and couldn't get him (whether it be distance or scheduling), rather than they didn't bother to ask him to appear in the production.

[Moviefan2k4]

Originally Posted by DisneyBlu

Some comics tried to explain it away with "mutants are evolved humans, they're the next step of evolution," and play up the "your child could be born a mutant, they could be in your schools, they could be your neighbors" thing in that mutants are people who are just born with powers. It's pretty weak, because the end result is the same: who cares why or how Captain America or Thor or Cyclops or Storm have powers, they're all still superpowered individuals.

That's an easy position to take, since we live in a world where such things are fiction. But if it were real, lots of people would be very scared. They wouldn't want their children separated from society due to their gifts, but some parents might even fear their own kids. Imagine for a moment, that your son or daughter could manipulate fire at will; how do you ultimately teach them responsibility? Where's your common frame of reference?

This is one reason why I think the scene with Iceman's parents in "X2" still works so well. Everything goes good until the Mom utters that pathetic line: "Have you tried not being a mutant?" I despise that question, because unlike behaviors, inborn traits are permanent. As a viewer, it seemed like Singer added that line just to push the metaphor further...but it made Bobby's mother look foolish. I really felt for him, when both his parents sided with his weasel of a brother; it was another cruel cliche that wasn't needed for the story.

[dallywhitty]

Originally Posted by Moviefan2k4

As for the rest, "no comment".

Oh dear.

[crazyBLUE]

Originally Posted by dallywhitty

Oh dear.

Good thing

[Infernal King]

Originally Posted by crazyBLUE

Good thing

Where's your dear gif?? That would have been the perfect response.

[crazyBLUE]

Originally Posted by Infernal King

Where's your dear gif?? That would have been the perfect response.

[Infernal King]

Originally Posted by crazyBLUE

[crazyBLUE]

Originally Posted by Infernal King

[Darkstream]

Originally Posted by Underworld54

Kinsberg now backing off of the X-Men crossover talk.

"They exist in parallel universes," "Fantastic Four" producers Simon Kinberg and Hutch Parker told the Daily News in a joint email.

"The Fantastic 4 live in a world without mutants. And the X-Men live in a world without the Fantastic 4."

Yeah, but if there was the potential to make more money, it's very easy for Fox to have someone come up with a script where either Reed or Doom (or both) were able to break through an interdimensional barrier and travel between the parallel universes. Believe it when they say Fox were aiming for an X-Men/Fantastic Four crossover movie, so let's just hope that this new FF movie's failure put the kibosh on that.

[Moviefan2k4]

Originally Posted by Darkstream

Yeah, but if there was the potential to make more money, it's very easy for Fox to have someone come up with a script where either Reed or Doom (or both) were able to break through an interdimensional barrier and travel between the parallel universes. Believe it when they say Fox were aiming for an X-Men/Fantastic Four crossover movie, so let's just hope that this new FF movie's failure put the kibosh on that.

I am counting down the days, until the "first family of comics" are back where they belong: in Marvel's hands.

[Batman1980]

I am not surprised at all, Disney Blu. Bryan Singer is a great comic book director, Jonathan Trank hasn't even made a good movie yet. I am going into this with the lowest possible expectations and will even try to pretend it's not a FF4 movie if need be. If it still underwhelms, I will be shocked.

[Underworld54]

Why are Disney's posts about reviews getting deleted? What exactly is wrong with that?

[thunderforce]

Originally Posted by DisneyBlu

Stan Lee said this when asked about a cameo (article from January of this year):



I certainly hope they tried and couldn't get him (whether it be distance or scheduling), rather than they didn't bother to ask him to appear in the production.

With all the bad mojo going on for this movie maybe Stan turned them down lol .

[Moviefan2k4]

Originally Posted by Darth Anakin

I am not surprised at all, Disney Blu. Bryan Singer is a great comic book director, Jonathan Trank hasn't even made a good movie yet. I am going into this with the lowest possible expectations and will even try to pretend it's not a FF4 movie if need be. If it still underwhelms, I will be shocked.

Singer's good with the "X-Men" series, but "Superman Returns" mostly sucked.

[CelestialAgent]

So the criticism seems to be they focus too much on the origin?

That's what I've expected based on the trailer, I don't have a problem with that.

Anyway, I found enjoyment in Ghost Rider: Spirit of Vengeance. Mediocre reviews aren't an issue to me; cast chemistry is a major positive. In Ant-Man I couldn't find much chemistry which was to its detriment.

I'm also wondering. If people went into this film with low expectations and all this bad press, will reviewers be prepared to analyse the film in a positive light? It's much easier to give a positive review if there is positive anticipation for the film.

Maybe the film would be better if Josh Trank was left to it without studio interference, who knows. I'd argue Ant-Man was worsened by the lack of Edgar Wright. But of course all we can do is speculate.

I'm disheartened by this negative press but I still anticipate it. I don't think Fox will relinquish the rights anytime soon. Find a way to tie the X-Men in - yes, even if it involves parallel universes and what not - and you'll guarantee most X-Men fans will see it, thereby guaranteeing an audience.

FF is a risky property for Fox to be honest. The last time they did something not X-Men related was Elektra and FF in 2005, then followed by an FF sequel a few years later.

R.e. the article saying 2005 was too soon. Come on. The landscape of the world has changed since then, as has cinema. Terminator reebooted in the space between 2009 and 2015. Amazing Spider-Man reebooted 10 years after the first trilogy started, 5 years after the last one. Recasting and reinvention is a thing within Hollywood. I don't see why people strike that against it.

If Fox still hold the rights in 2025 I'd be all for the 1960s Kirby/Lee version. But if it ends up bombing, at least it's a curiosity for the shelf. We can look back on it in a couple of years and think "well, it did this thing right, this thing wrong, but it's still part of the overall tapestry." Should we be worried by this coverage? Yes. But it's not necessarily its grave. Although even international success didn't save The Amazing Spider-Man 2. So we wait and see I suppose.

[Underworld54]

I heard like 85% of the film is in a lab setting...you can't confine the F4 to four walls and expect people to like it.

[Infernal King]

I wonder if the reshoots improved the film or made it worse.