Physical & Digital EST: The Future of Home Video Discussion Thread

[bhampton]

Originally Posted by Warm Gun

Alternating aspect ratios only remind me that the reality within the 2.4:1 picture is fake.

Nothing is real

And nothing to get hung about

[antennahead]

Originally Posted by bhampton

Nothing is real

And nothing to get hung about

Living is easy with eyes closed ......

[gotmule]

Originally Posted by crutzulee

I would LOVE changing aspect ratios done right... where a 1.85:1 frame opened up to 2.40:1... but i totally get where that could not work on a commercially available physical disc...

As these abomination become more prevalent, a MADVR type setup becomes more and more economically reasonable....my next big expenditure...cough..cough...checks the market today..cough..ahem...maybe not anytime soon..lol

This feature was not the most important to me when I grabbed a Madvr, but I must admit it crept up there after seeing it in action, then I started looking forward to movies and shows that utilized it.

[alchav21]

Originally Posted by bhampton

They don't make um like they used to.

I Loved Fry's, use to go to many of the San Jose Stores, Sunnyvale, Campbell, Fremont, Palo Alto were my favorite. Also hit Sacramento, San Diego, Burbank, Las Vegas, and Plano, TX. Could browse through there for hours, mostly bought Memory, Hard Drives, Computer Cases, Ethernet Cables and Connectors, Tester. Also DVD's and Blu-rays. What a Wonderful Place!

[bhampton]

Happy Record Store Day !

One of my daughters loves Vinyl and makes a great day to pick her up something out of the ordinary.

https://recordstoreday.com/NewsItem/11535

I hope I can get the Taylor Swift album for my daughter and am sure I will be able to pick up the David Gilmour one for myself

[Show spoiler]




Edit Went the exact opposite of my plan because they open early on Record Store Day. I managed to get the Taylor Swift album but the only copy they got of the David Gilmour one was gone arleady. I did however find Wrech It Ralph UHD BD used for $5.99 so that cheered me up.

[bhampton]

Originally Posted by crutzulee

I would LOVE changing aspect ratios done right... where a 1.85:1 frame opened up to 2.40:1... but i totally get where that could not work on a commercially available physical disc...

l

April Fool's Day (1986) UHD BD does this. I'm not sure it may have did this on VHS as well. Watch at 1:52 to 1:55

(I think it goes from 4:3 so .... not sure about the 1.85:1 part.)

A constant image height friendly disc with shifting aspect ratio it certainly can be done. Most discs (Hunger Games, Mission Impossible) do this the other way around.

[Anthony P]

Originally Posted by alchav21

Celebrated my Birthday...

happy belated birthday

[Anthony P]

Originally Posted by bhampton

This will help with making a lot of things obsolete.

there are constantly new one offs. Let's see if anyone in the industry even buys into it first.

[Anthony P]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

Just bought the arrow Children Of The Corn trilogy, Blu only but shamefully, as a horror fanatic, I hadn’t seen any of these three.

Opinions?

like most horror the first is fun and new, and needs to be milked and gets progressively worst, but if someone is a horror fan still worth it.

[Anthony P]

Originally Posted by crutzulee

HATE shifting aspect ratios

agree

[Wendell R. Breland]

Originally Posted by Vilya

I can see where movies with shifting aspect ratios would annoy projector owners, but they don't bother me at all, but then I only watch movies on a *gasp* TV.

Just curious, IIRC you have a 85" Diag. (41.67" H x 74" W) Sony TV, would you buy one for about the same price if it were a 2.35 (41.67" H x 97.92" W [106.42" Diag.]) screen? 1.78 and 1.85 content would be shown pillarboxed. For changing aspect movies you have to select if you wanted to see in 2.35 and lose the top and bottom of 1.85 content or see the 1.85 content with black bars for 2.35 content.

I think the ideal movie for you would use shifting aspect ratios with lots and lots of handheld camera work.

Thank goodness for the First Sale Doctrine, I get to try before I buy.

[Vilya]

Originally Posted by Wendell R. Breland

Just curious, IIRC you have a 85" Diag. (41.67" H x 74" W) Sony TV, would you buy one for about the same price if it were a 2.35 (41.67" H x 97.92" W [106.42" Diag.]) screen? 1.78 and 1.85 content would be shown pillarboxed. For changing aspect movies you have to select if you wanted to see in 2.35 and lose the top and bottom of 1.85 content or see the 1.85 content with black bars for 2.35 content.

Thank goodness for the First Sale Doctrine, I get to try before I buy.

I would be open to the idea even if it were not the same price. Having options is almost always a good thing.

[Anthony P]

Originally Posted by Vilya

I can see where movies with shifting aspect ratios would annoy projector owners, but they don't bother me at all, but then I only watch movies on a *gasp* TV.

Originally Posted by Wendell R. Breland

Just curious, IIRC you have a 85" Diag. (41.67" H x 74" W) Sony TV, would you buy one for about the same price if it were a 2.35 (41.67" H x 97.92" W [106.42" Diag.]) screen? 1.78 and 1.85 content would be shown pillarboxed. For changing aspect movies you have to select if you wanted to see in 2.35 and lose the top and bottom of 1.85 content or see the 1.85 content with black bars for 2.35 content.

Vilya: I don't think it is a Projector/TV thing. I see it as a fixed AR imaging device or not (naturally both are).

If I am watching something in my HT in academy ratio my image is almost floor to ceiling but nowhere near full width of the room, if I watch something in 2.35 my image is almost wall to wall but nowhere near floor to ceiling. Zoom, masking and presets on my remote means that I can maximize the image I see so matter the AR but unfortunately if the content changes AR I can't constantly be changing it so I need to pick an AR and stick with it.

Wendell: for my LR I would not go 2.35 just because of the larger width it would be hard to fit where the TV is now so I would be stuck going smaller.

[Vilya]

Originally Posted by Anthony P

Vilya: I don't think it is a Projector/TV thing. I see it as a fixed AR imaging device or not (naturally both are).

If I am watching something in my HT in academy ratio my image is almost floor to ceiling but nowhere near full width of the room, if I watch something in 2.35 my image is almost wall to wall but nowhere near floor to ceiling. Zoom, masking and presets on my remote means that I can maximize the image I see so matter the AR but unfortunately if the content changes AR I can't constantly be changing it so I need to pick an AR and stick with it.

I am comfortable watching on a 16:9 TV. When shifting ARs vary the size and placement of the black bars displayed on my TV, it does not bother me. Variable image height does not bug me, either, nor do I need a curved screen- before that gets thrown into the mix.

I guess you projector owners just have to set your screen for whatever AR you think will be best when watching shifting AR movies. I guess pick the AR that is used for the majority of such a movie's runtime.

Sometimes having lots of choices is a good thing while other times it seems a bit of a pain in the caboose to me. When viewing with my TV I do not have to think about choosing a screen AR; it is already done for me.

If any of the above is incomprehensible, I blame the meds.

[bhampton]

If I know a movie has shifting AR then I tend to watch the whole thing in 16x9 mode.

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by Anthony P

like most horror the first is fun and new, and needs to be milked and gets progressively worst, but if someone is a horror fan still worth it.

I don’t mind that really, I love most of the F13th films for example. Even the weaker ones have some fun elements and good FX (Jason’s increasingly zombified design for example)

[Anthony P]

Originally Posted by Vilya

I guess you projector owners just have to set your screen for whatever AR you think will be best when watching shifting AR movies. I guess pick the AR that is used for the majority of such a movie's runtime.

not have to, like with a TV, modern projectors are naturally 16:9. It took time and money for me to have a set-up that can maximize different AR and so I like getting as much out of it as I can. same reason I would rather watch a UHD BD.
Not everyone that watches a film at my place takes the time to pick teh right AR.

It is like watching a film that has multi channel and because the person was lazy they did not bother to set up the audio properly (supersonic plane passing over head, just LR)

[Anthony P]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

I don’ mind that really, I love most of the F13th films for example. Even the weaker ones have some fun elements and good FX (Jason’s increasingly zombified design for example)

Like I said before horror is like pizza, even a bad one is good.

I hope my post did not come off as not worth watching the rest of them.

To put it differently, you watch a comedy and nothing makes you laugh that is a waste of time. You watch a romance and no chemistry between the characters that is a waste of time. You watch a slasher and someone gets killed you get what you went there for no matter how bad it was.

[veritas]

Originally Posted by Anthony P

Like I said before horror is like pizza, even a bad one is good.

I hope my post did not come off as not worth watching the rest of them.

To put it differently, you watch a comedy and nothing makes you laugh that is a waste of time. You watch a romance and no chemistry between the characters that is a waste of time. You watch a slasher and someone gets killed you get what you went there for no matter how bad it was.

Or you could say you went to a comedy and they told jokes you got what you came for. You went to a romance and there was a romance even if it was bad you got what you paid for. You just held horror to a lower standard where everything else has to interact with you but showing up was enough for horror.


Horror falls on its face just as much as any other genre.


People do sometimes like to watch train wreck’s no matter the genre. I think that’s your saving grace in a bad horror film but it’s achievable in any genre.

[Vilya]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

I don’t mind that really, I love most of the F13th films for example. Even the weaker ones have some fun elements and good FX (Jason’s increasingly zombified design for example)

I have no use for Friday The 13th. I walked out on the original movie during its first theatrical run. I can count the number of times that I have walked out on a movie on one hand, too. Naturally, as I despised the first film I have not bothered with any of its interminable sequels.

Originally Posted by Anthony P

You watch a slasher and someone gets killed you get what you went there for no matter how bad it was.

I very much disagree. Expecting something as a given does not mean that you will like what you actually get. Slasher movies are not satisfying just because someone gets slashed- that's just meeting the most minimum of expectations.

I like Zombie movies as a genre, but some of them are really bad and not worth viewing, much less owning, despite having zombies aplenty and despite those zombies killing their hapless victims on cue.