Physical & Digital EST: The Future of Home Video Discussion Thread

[alchav21]

Originally Posted by Vilya

You should just worry about the rising cost of streaming and let those that actually buy 4K discs concern themselves with their cost.

You keep commenting on the price of things that you do not buy only to aggravate those of us that do. Find a positive use for your time and energy.

Everything is going up in price, but this Thread is about Digital Movies and TV Shows and where they are headed. All you guys talk about is buying Discs, and nothing about will the Studios keep making them if the Market is not there. Amazon, AppleTV, Hulu, Paramount+, and other Streaming Providers have many new Movies and TV Shows coming out all the time. Shows and Movies like Bosch, The Bondsman, Ghosted, and Another Simple Favor are only a few that Streaming has to offer. IMO Streaming is The Future!

[Vilya]

Originally Posted by alchav21

Everything is going up in price, but this Thread is about Digital Movies and TV Shows and where they are headed. All you guys talk about is buying Discs, and nothing about will the Studios keep making them if the Market is not there. Amazon, AppleTV, Hulu, Paramount+, and other Streaming Providers have many new Movies and TV Shows coming out all the time. Shows and Movies like Bosch, The Bondsman, Ghosted, and Another Simple Favor are only a few that Streaming has to offer. IMO Streaming is The Future!

You are replying here to a post of mine that was made in the Home Video Sales thread more than 12 hours ago. You moved your above comment here AFTER I replied to it there. More dishonesty on your part.

Seeing as you moved your comment here, I will copy my reply here:

Originally Posted by Vilya

Actually, this thread is about: Home Video Sales. It is NOT about subscription streaming.

The thread topic does include the sale of digital copies, but all you want to talk about here is physical media, which you do not buy and you have no intentions of buying. You never discuss digital sales, which is something that you actually do buy. You are just here to stir things up...as usual.

You ask why we do not discuss your hypothetical question:

"will the Studios keep making them [discs] if the Market is not there?"

It is not discussed because it is just a hypothetical question, but more importantly because the answer to it is abundantly obvious. No company will keep making a product, any product, if there is no market for it.

Was that something you really needed to ask? Was the answer so difficult to decipher that you needed us to answer your question for you?

Your question was dishonest because it was asked in bad faith. You already knew the answer to it; the answer was beyond obvious. Further, you do not care about the disc market at all because, again, you do not buy them and you do not intend to buy them.

You know that most people here care about physical media. You just want to remind us as often as you can that disc sales are down and prices are up because you take pleasure in doing it.

You are trolling, both in this thread and in the Home Video Sales thread, and it is far from your first offense.

[alchav21]

Originally Posted by Vilya

You are replying here to a post that was made in the Home Video Sales thread. You moved your comment here AFTER I replied to it there.

Seeing as you moved your comment here, I will copy my reply here:

I take no pleasure, I'm just stating the obvious IMO Streaming will outlast Disc. With the right Streaming Providers you have all the latest Movies and TV Shows....and I think this is The Future!

[Vilya]

Originally Posted by alchav21

I take no pleasure

Do I really need to dig up some of your many comments (again) where you outright said how much you enjoy tweaking "Disc Lovers?"

Originally Posted by alchav21

I just like to Tweak these Disc Lovers

There's a lot more where that came from:

[Show spoiler]
I did go back through some of your posts and I found plenty of examples of how you like to troll this thread:

From Jan. 10, 2017 and well before I even joined this thread:

Originally Posted by alchav21

I just like to Tweak these Disc Lovers so I kind of Embellish the information I have.

From Dec. 1, 2016:

Originally Posted by alchav21

I don't know what rock you are living under, but Streaming is taking over. You do know that you Stream from your Blu-ray Player, so why not directly from a Server. If you can't see the writing on the wall, you are still under that Rock.

And on it goes:

Originally Posted by alchav21

Yes, you can bet that The Disc is Dead, that doesn't fit into Millennials Convenience, Efficiency, or Cost. It's going to be a total Digital World, and the quicker the better. They are nostalgic, so fond memories of their Grandparents Home Theater will keep them wanting this in their Homes.

Originally Posted by alchav21

Yes Discs RIP!

Originally Posted by alchav21

Well I have been telling you guys this for a while, The Disc is Dead! If you don't think Streaming Video is King, you live under a Rock.

Originally Posted by alchav21

the 4K Discs are not selling.... Nobody wants Discs!

And still more...:

Originally Posted by alchav21

Dying, dead, what's the difference for all practical purposes they are on the way out. Discs may be around for a while, but not too many people are buying them anymore. Don't quote me any Stats, that's ancient news get out and talk to people in real time and you'll get your answers.

Originally Posted by alchav21

Sorry I shouldn't say Discs are Dead, but they are Dying a Slow Death!

Originally Posted by alchav21

Discs are dying a slow death, but they will be around a while they'll just cost more.

Originally Posted by alchav21

This Thread has survived, but the Physical Discs are on their last Link. Even the Disk Gurus are saying that 4K is the last Physical Media. 8K TV's are here, but no Physical Discs, it's all Digital Streaming. It seems the only people buying 4K Discs are on this site. Anybody that I talk too is not buying Physical Discs, they just Stream. Physical had a good run, but if 8K Physical is not coming you guys will have to concede to Streaming!

Originally Posted by alchav21

I'm not worried, do you see me worried, but you guys should be. I say it doesn't look good, and Discs are on the way out. No matter what you guys say, owning and looking through a bunch of Discs is archaic. Doesn't it make more sense to have everything organized in Digital Files. We are in a Connected World, and Discs have out lived their usefulness.

Originally Posted by alchav21

Even here on Blu-ray.com using Discs is becoming Archaic, no one wants to do it anymore.

Originally Posted by alchav21

Steedeel did we shake your Funny Bone, you might as well face it Disc is Dead. ... So don't blame anybody except yourselves for the Demise of Discs!

Originally Posted by alchav21

Disc is dying and Obsolete

Originally Posted by alchav21

you're the last of a dying breed, Hard Core Disc Lovers. This is what this Thread is all about, and Digital HD is taking over, UV or Keychest. So take a deep breath, and embrace the change!

Originally Posted by alchav21

Physical is History Digital HD will Rule!

Originally Posted by alchav21

Hey Disc Guys, don't kill the messenger, I know Discs are your life but life moves on. Vilya Discs are on the way out, talk to anyone on the street and they are not buying them.

Originally Posted by alchav21

Discs are on a Death Spiral. The news keeps getting worse, just in the time you have been gone Disc sales have tanked. Studios are opting for Blu-Ray instead of 4K, it just doesn't look good.

If you look at the Hardware Threads, not having a high end UHD Player will give you poor play back results. So now a $10K set up is needed to give you an average 4K Disc Quality!

Originally Posted by alchav21

Steedeel, In your Opinion you're in Denial, Discs are History Digital HD is here to stay. Do you honestly think people will be buying Discs, and playing them in their Players? With Digital HD there are so many options, say good bye to Discs!

https://forum.blu-ray.com/showpost.p...ostcount=21950

Originally Posted by alchav21

I'm just stating the obvious

The obvious does not need stating. You do it, anyway, just to be a nuisance.

Originally Posted by alchav21

IMO Streaming will outlast Disc. With the right Streaming Providers you have all the latest Movies and TV Shows....and I think this is The Future!

We know this is your opinion. You have been telling us this for over a decade now.

[Areyakiddin]

Originally Posted by alchav21

Steedeel did we shake your Funny Bone, you might as well face it Disc is Dead.

This site desperately needs a reminder option, so we can gloriously celebrate the 10th anniversary of this post in 2027.

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by Areyakiddin

This site desperately needs a reminder option, so we can gloriously celebrate the 10th anniversary of this post in 2027.

Yeah, that’s one heck of a post-mortem.

My take on all this is that Alchav doing what he does in this thread is fair play, given the nature of the thread, but sadly, I have noticed him spreading his nonsense to many other threads, injecting his falsehoods where they don’t belong imo.

I have been collecting discs for 25 years, and this last couple of years have been amongst the most enjoyable. Is it more expensive? Slightly, yes. Are some of the limited edition offerings slightly on the steep side, absolutely. But we all knew this would come, it’s the natural order when a format is very mature.
Whenever it ends, and I still think we are years away from that, I will have enough back catalogue to enjoy two movies a week for around 15 years, with no fear of content being edited, censored, taking quality dives due to bitrate starved compression, and that goes for audio too.

I wouldn’t change a thing, it has been glorious, and it will continue to be glorious.

My bank balance tells me disc is very much alive.

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by Vilya

Do I really need to dig up some of your many comments (again) where you outright said how much you enjoy tweaking "Disc Lovers?"



There's a lot more where that came from:

[Show spoiler]
I did go back through some of your posts and I found plenty of examples of how you like to troll this thread:

From Jan. 10, 2017 and well before I even joined this thread:



From Dec. 1, 2016:



And on it goes:









And still more...:



























https://forum.blu-ray.com/showpost.p...ostcount=21950

The obvious does not need stating. You do it, anyway, just to be a nuisance.



We know this is your opinion. You have been telling us this for over a decade now.

He just moved the goalposts when he realised his Digital HD claim wasn’t going to work out, he moved on to general subscription streaming, where of course, movies are just one of many offerings. Movies can (and are) moved around amongst different providers, and you are under pressure to watch stuff, lest they are removed for a long time. You don’t own any of it, and that’s fine.

However, I have always wanted more than fine, Alchav is the type of guy who can’t appreciate the finer details of video and audio, and has convinced himself that a bit rate starved image on a large tv is somehow awesome.
There is no reasoning with people like Alchav, we just have to be happy in the knowledge that we CAN appreciate the finer things, and we continue to be very well served.

As for the comments about price, the irony is completely lost on him, streaming costs are dependant on not just yearly fluctuations in subscribers but political changes and tussles.

I like subscription streaming, but I LOVE discs.

[bhampton]

Originally Posted by alchav21

I take no pleasure, I'm just stating the obvious IMO Streaming will outlast Disc. With the right Streaming Providers you have all the latest Movies and TV Shows....and I think this is The Future!

Alchav21,

We know you don't like discs because they offer higher quality audio and video than your internet streaming nonsense and it's real important for you to live in the future!

What about other old fashioned things? Are there notable other sentimental things you actively campaign against?

We have Apple Music but my daughter loves collecting vinyl. How do you feel about that? It's clearly not the future but does it need to be eliminated so you can relax?

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by bhampton

Alchav21,

We know you don't like discs because they offer higher quality audio and video than your internet streaming nonsense and it's real important for you to live in the future!

What about other old fashioned things? Are there notable other sentimental things you actively campaign against?

We have Apple Music but my daughter loves collecting vinyl. How do you feel about that? It's clearly not the future but does it need to be eliminated so you can relax?

I bet Alchav has thrown his toaster out, and now does his toast in an air fryer.

[bhampton]

Originally Posted by cheez avenger

Amazon is having a 3 for $33 4K disc sale.

Scooped up War of the Rohirim, Blazing Saddles, and Godzilla Minus Zero.

Had to get in on that too.



and a few extra

[crutzulee]

Originally Posted by gotmule

The second biggest benefit to me is the Envy’s efforts with motion interpolation as that was something that bugged me with some panning with the JVC. The Envy gives the capabilities to dial it in without looking like a soap opera.

After spending so many years seeking out "secret" codes for service menus to shut off display manufacturer's "enhancements" and avoiding things like "CLEAR MOTION DRIVE" on my previous JVC like the plague, I have to admit that I've started to judicially turn a few knobs and pull a few levers on the NZ7...

After the most recent firmware update (still not officially released on this side of the pond), I've actually started using the 8K E-shift feature (makes me wish that I had my custom HT signage reflect this rather than 4K). I'm not in my HT right now and couldn't tell you what drop down it's under, but my series of JVC has a slider simply called ENHANCE under one of the motion settings.... and don't judge me... but I've actually been able to greatly improve the notoriously bad panning of JVC units WITHOUT introducing any noticeable SOE (which I'm very sensitive to) by moving the slider 2 notches to the dark side ... GOD HELP ME, I've even started using CMD when I watch hockey....

[bhampton]

I've been using the 8K upshift also since doing the newer FW.

I find it helps with motion and panning and adds to the image quality.

I never think twice about upscaling 1080p to 4K so I find upscaling to 8K is worth doing if you have the option.

Nothing wrong with enhancements that actually make a positive difference. Best to go baseline long enough to note if something helps or hurts.

[Wendell R. Breland]

Originally Posted by gotmule

Having seen what the JVC can do and loving it, and then seeing the impact of what the Envy makes on an overall image, it is easy for me to say that the difference was worth it for me to take the plunge.

For the NZ8 and NZ9 JVC concurred with you and had an Envy between the projector and the Kaleidescape source at the 2022 & 2023 Audio Advice Live events. For the 2024 Audio Advice Live event JVC did not use the Envy with the NZ900 stating it was not needed.

Last I knew Stacey Spears was using a Envy with his direct view LG and Chris Deering was using a Lumagen Radiance Pro with his JVC RS4200 (NZ900) projector. I have programmed my remote for a Radiance Pro but moved all external processors to the back burner for now. I need to learn the ins and outs of the RS3200 to see what it really can do. I will say it can look like a giant LG with the right source content.

[Vilya]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

Yeah, that’s one heck of a post-mortem.

My take on all this is that Alchav doing what he does in this thread is fair play, given the nature of the thread, but sadly, I have noticed him spreading his nonsense to many other threads, injecting his falsehoods where they don’t belong imo.

When you only know one song it's all you have to sing.

[Wendell R. Breland]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

I like subscription streaming, but I LOVE discs.

alchav21 is just like untold millions of streamers using a TV with a some additional electronics allowing it to stream content from the internet. In his mind this makes him special in the streaming world. He would be totally lost amongst serious streamers.

I do not consider myself a very serious streamer but I do have Apple TV4K (2 Gen), Apple TV4K (3 Gen), FireTV Cube, Nvidia Shield Pro, Roku Ultra and three smart TV’s. The Apple TV4K (3 Gen) and Nvidia Shield Pro are in the home theater equipment racks.

[Maddox121]

Honestly, if discs do fall in North America, it's not Hollywood's fault, it's Walmart's. Walmart is literally the one thing (besides boutique stores, which are basically novelties rather than mainstream stuff) keeping physical alive in North America... Best Buy gave up, Target limited their stock, Redbox is gone, Toys R Us is also gone, Circuit City is gone, all the rental stores are gone. I feel like if Walmart discontinues physical media sales, then it's basically over for North America. Heck, Walmart OWNS Universal and WB's North American physical divisions outright.

You could also mention Amazon, but... that doesn't count, since if people wanted to directly buy rather than stream movies online, they'd just buy them off VUDU or whatever rather than wait a few days for a disc to arrive in the mail.

Worldwide, though, I can see physical lasting a few years longer than North America. Japan sold LaserDiscs almost a decade after North America gave up, and South Korea sold VHS for around six years after North America gave up on that (with the surreal nature of movies like WALL-E and Avatar actually recieveing VHS releases over there). I'd also assume blanks would last a bit longer on the market, but eventually, companies like Verbatim would have to throw in the towel once the Guadalajara, Mexico factory gets sold for demolition in that scenario.

I do hope physical never dies, but in this day and age, who really knows.

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by Maddox121

Honestly, if discs do fall in North America, it's not Hollywood's fault, it's Walmart's. Walmart is literally the one thing (besides boutique stores, which are basically novelties rather than mainstream stuff) keeping physical alive in North America... Best Buy gave up, Target limited their stock, Redbox is gone, Toys R Us is also gone, Circuit City is gone, all the rental stores are gone. I feel like if Walmart discontinues physical media sales, then it's basically over for North America. Heck, Walmart OWNS Universal and WB's North American physical divisions outright.

You could also mention Amazon, but... that doesn't count, since if people wanted to directly buy rather than stream movies online, they'd just buy them off VUDU or whatever rather than wait a few days for a disc to arrive in the mail.

Worldwide, though, I can see physical lasting a few years longer than North America. Japan sold LaserDiscs almost a decade after North America gave up, and South Korea sold VHS for around six years after North America gave up on that (with the surreal nature of movies like WALL-E and Avatar actually recieveing VHS releases over there). I'd also assume blanks would last a bit longer on the market, but eventually, companies like Verbatim would have to throw in the towel once the Guadalajara, Mexico factory gets sold for demolition in that scenario.

I do hope physical never dies, but in this day and age, who really knows.

Collectors have been ordering online for many years now.

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by Wendell R. Breland

alchav21 is just like untold millions of streamers using a TV with a some additional electronics allowing it to stream content from the internet. In his mind this makes him special in the streaming world. He would be totally lost amongst serious streamers.

I do not consider myself a very serious streamer but I do have Apple TV4K (2 Gen), Apple TV4K (3 Gen), FireTV Cube, Nvidia Shield Pro, Roku Ultra and three smart TV’s. The Apple TV4K (3 Gen) and Nvidia Shield Pro are in the home theater equipment racks.

I swear by my Apple TV, I certainly wouldn’t want to rely on smart tv apps alone.

[russweiss1]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

Collectors have been ordering online for many years now.

Exactly. I've been buying discs online exclusively for several years now.

[Gotho(redux)]

Okay, this is weird. Today, when browsing the forum, I noticed that everyone's avatar has stopped displaying. Tried viewing the forum in three different browsers and get the same result. Is this happening to anyone else or could it be something on my end?