The Official Energy Speakers Thread

[BigAl87]

Originally Posted by callas01

Emo makes decent amps, from all that i have gathered.

Look at these also.
http://www.audioadvisor.com/prodinfo.asp?number=NAT955
http://www.outlawaudio.com/products/7125.html
http://www.outlawaudio.com/products/7075.html

I really like the NAD in that lot now one thing to look at is the input voltage vs output voltage of the Pioneer to see if it's a good fit.

The 5 mono blocks somewhat guarantees the number to put in the spec sheet and it weighs nearly 50 lbs.

[BigAl87]

Originally Posted by Eggiwegs2

Great, I appreciate it.

OK Sorry I know you are in Spain and as I write this it's probably sleep time for you.

I have to sa first that I have not auditioned the V-Mini speakers but I do know they are an evolution of the RC-mini. If what I heard of the Veritas 6.3 compare to the RC-70 is an indication of the upgrade of the V-mini over the RC-mini, the results should be pretty good.

In comparison with the take classic they should actually be above and beyond your expectations, Energy even use to make the RC-Micro that had 3 inch drivers that were even better than the take classics, the RC-Mini at the time I heard them were absolutely fantastic even with music, they had great ability to play loud for such a small speaker although they don't go very low.

If you are in a very limited space, the V-Mini will definitely impress you to the highest point considering their diminutive size.

[Plexihead]

Originally Posted by -DLS-

So after almost 2 weeks of owning the V-6.3's and letting them play for 8-10 hours /day I think I'm close enough or passed the 100 hour recommended break-in period. I think beacause I have speakers to directly compare them to I can say that there was not much difference if any from when I first hooked them up. I'm starting to believe more that break-in means just your ears getting used to the sound. If I didn't have the Paradigms beside them I might have believed they sounded different but the differences remained the same. I thought my Paradigms sounded better after a couple of weeks but I also played with the placement for the first couple of weeks til I got it sounding right.

I still think these are good speakers but even at the sale price of $2500 there are other speakers that I like better for the same price or even less. The main differencees between these and my Studio's is in the midrange which is very easy to tell with vocals but not so much with instruments. The bass stayed nice and clean but after re-positioning the 100's they sounded deeper with more chest thump than the 6.3's when playing old school rap music like Cypress Hill and NWA. The 6.3'd still had a tigher bass though. B-Real from Cypress Hill on the Black Sunday was pretty hard to listen to and I usually like to turn it up when I play that kind of music. They are still brighter sounding than the Studios but at times depending on what's playing sound more neutral. The Paradigms are the opposite more being neutral but at times can sound bright depending on the recording as well. I played all kinds of music with them and at times liked the 6.3's better but overall I think the Paradigms are the better speaker for me mostly because of the better - more natural sounding midrange to my ears.

I still have these for a couple of more weeks and just hooked them back up to the XPA-3 So I'll listen to them the rest of the time without the 100's hooked up and try to move them around and play some more with toe-in and placement.

I've noticed a definite difference in the sound of the 6.3's in the close to 3 weeks I've had them. The level of toe in can make a difference and I find the speakers to be fairly revealing.

I thought them to be a little on the bright side on the upper mids/treble with the mid-bass lacking a bit for the first week or so but now they're much better balanced overall.

At first I was a little apprehensive, but now am really liking these speakers. The V-6.3's are keepers for me, they shine when playing some of the later MFSL SACD's (Doobies, Foghat, SRV).

Below is a pic to compare it to one of my RC-70's.

[cxr369]

[QUOTE=BigAl87;4822759]I really like the NAD in that lot now one thing to look at is the input voltage vs output voltage of the Pioneer to see if it's a good fit.

The 5 mono blocks somewhat guarantees the number to put in the spec sheet and it weighs nearly 50 lbs.[/QUOTE

I really like the Nad T955 and the Outlaw 7125 but I don't know which one is better for me. I do like the 7 channel power output of the Outlaw and seeing it has more power per channel.

The input voltage on the VSX33 is 110-127 V and output is 220-240 v.

For the time being until I can pick up an amp, can I switch the receiver to 6ohms for more power? what are your thoughts on the amp and switching the impedance?

[Eggiwegs2]

Originally Posted by BigAl87

OK Sorry I know you are in Spain and as I write this it's probably sleep time for you.

I have to sa first that I have not auditioned the V-Mini speakers but I do know they are an evolution of the RC-mini. If what I heard of the Veritas 6.3 compare to the RC-70 is an indication of the upgrade of the V-mini over the RC-mini, the results should be pretty good.

In comparison with the take classic they should actually be above and beyond your expectations, Energy even use to make the RC-Micro that had 3 inch drivers that were even better than the take classics, the RC-Mini at the time I heard them were absolutely fantastic even with music, they had great ability to play loud for such a small speaker although they don't go very low.

If you are in a very limited space, the V-Mini will definitely impress you to the highest point considering their diminutive size.

Thanks, Olivier, for the information. I could find so little info on them on the internet, it's good to know they'd be a sufficiently big step up from the Takes.

[darshanjoshi]

Originally Posted by BigAl87

Mids on the RC 50 are super smooth, you would defenately like the new Veritas, altho your friend has the C-500 i think you have far superior speakers that reveal more details up above, for the boominess what is your speaker placement, i sure can recommend an amp but it depends what you use it for? Music or HT or both.

You probably need to play around with postionning, room treat ment would greatly help judging by your room i think you have alot of sound boucing around and your speaker could be a little to close to the wall try 3 feet away from it.

Thanks for the suggestion. Main use is for Music. I will try some different placements and add some rugs. Will share experience post changes soon.

[darshanjoshi]

Originally Posted by callas01

your right front is way to close to the wall. Being rear ported, they should be at least 1.5' away from the wall. Wall treatments, an area rug.... your room as a lot to do with the way speakers sound.


oops, I see Oliver addressed this already also...

Thanks for the suggestion. I will try some different placements and add some rugs. Will share experience post changes soon.

[BigAl87]

[quote=cxr369;4823460]

Originally Posted by BigAl87

I really like the NAD in that lot now one thing to look at is the input voltage vs output voltage of the Pioneer to see if it's a good fit.

The 5 mono blocks somewhat guarantees the number to put in the spec sheet and it weighs nearly 50 lbs.[/QUOTE

I really like the Nad T955 and the Outlaw 7125 but I don't know which one is better for me. I do like the 7 channel power output of the Outlaw and seeing it has more power per channel.

The input voltage on the VSX33 is 110-127 V and output is 220-240 v.For the time being until I can pick up an amp, can I switch the receiver to 6ohms for more power? what are your thoughts on the amp and switching the impedance?

Not talking about that actualy talking about the RCA In and Out since you will have to use your Pioneer preouts to send to the amp and the output voltage has to bea good match to the input voltage on the Amp.


Running a 5 channel amp and having only 2 or 4 speakers on your Elite would take a huge stress off of it.

The bigger Outlaw is a serious power amp as well.

[cxr369]

[quote=BigAl87;4823925]

Originally Posted by cxr369

Not talking about that actualy talking about the RCA In and Out since you will have to use your Pioneer preouts to send to the amp and the output voltage has to bea good match to the input voltage on the Amp.


Running a 5 channel amp and having only 2 or 4 speakers on your Elite would take a huge stress off of it.

The bigger Outlaw is a serious power amp as well.

Oh ok, I know it has 7 preouts for additional amps and 12v triggers other than that not sure.

Now if get the Nad do I just run the LCR on the amp and leave the remaining 4 surrounds on the receiver or do I run the front heights along with the LCR and leave the two surround backs on the receiver? or Would getting the outlaw and running all speakers on amp be my best bet?

[Monkey]

Originally Posted by Plexihead

I've noticed a definite difference in the sound of the 6.3's in the close to 3 weeks I've had them. The level of toe in can make a difference and I find the speakers to be fairly revealing.

I thought them to be a little on the bright side on the upper mids/treble with the mid-bass lacking a bit for the first week or so but now they're much better balanced overall.

At first I was a little apprehensive, but now am really liking these speakers. The V-6.3's are keepers for me, they shine when playing some of the later MFSL SACD's (Doobies, Foghat, SRV).

Below is a pic to compare it to one of my RC-70's.

Thanks for the comparison pic, that is sexy!!

[BigAl87]

[quote=cxr369;4825253]

Originally Posted by crx369

Oh ok, I know it has 7 preouts for additional amps and 12v triggers other than that not sure.

Now if get the Nad do I just run the LCR on the amp and leave the remaining 4 surrounds on the receiver or do I run the front heights along with the LCR and leave the two surround backs on the receiver? or Would getting the outlaw and running all speakers on amp be my best bet?

Honestly this is really up to you what you wish to drive with your amp, i would drive front 3 for sure and maybe regular surrounds. I know you have a 9.2 Receiver but aren't you doing 5.1 with front height?

In this case I would do front 3 and surrounds.

Let's put it in this perspective you don't have to buy a NAD, I just like their products for their price performance ratio, Emo is an option wit the XPA line I think you have something good, I suggest you to audition and experience if you can maybe you have a dealer nearby that sells amps along with Elite products. Actually I could ask my dealer to recommend a good match to he VSX-33.

[cxr369]

[quote=BigAl87;4826235]

Originally Posted by cxr369

Honestly this is really up to you what you wish to drive with your amp, i would drive front 3 for sure and maybe regular surrounds. I know you have a 9.2 Receiver but aren't you doing 5.1 with front height?

In this case I would do front 3 and surrounds.

Let's put it in this perspective you don't have to buy a NAD, I just like their products for their price performance ratio, Emo is an option wit the XPA line I think you have something good, I suggest you to audition and experience if you can maybe you have a dealer nearby that sells amps along with Elite products. Actually I could ask my dealer to recommend a good match to he VSX-33.

I'm running 2 front heights with 2 back surrounds all definitive pro 800s and the LR energy cf 70s with the CC10 as the center.

If you could ask your dealer for me that would be great. Thanks because I don't think I have any Emotiva, Outlaw or Nad dealers near me.

[BigAl87]

[quote=cxr369;4826369]

Originally Posted by BigAl87

I'm running 2 front heights with 2 back surrounds all definitive pro 800s and the LR energy cf 70s with the CC10 as the center.

If you could ask your dealer for me that would be great. Thanks because I don't think I have any Emotiva, Outlaw or Nad dealers near me.

You mind telling me where you live? just city state Maybe i can help you with that

Ho come you are not running any surrounds and you are runnig back surrounds?

[crazyBLUE]

Originally Posted by cxr369

I'm running 2 front heights with 2 back surrounds all definitive pro 800s and the LR energy cf 70s with the CC10 as the center.

If you could ask your dealer for me that would be great. Thanks because I don't think I have any Emotiva, Outlaw or Nad dealers near me.

I don't mean to jump in here & hi Olivier.

Emotiva is only sold from them threw there website. That is why they are such a good deal to buy for a great product.
I would run your front 5 speakers on a 5 channel amp. The receiver will do just fine on the surrounds.

You can always run all your speakers off amps Like crazy people like me

[cxr369]

[quote=BigAl87;4826387]

Originally Posted by cxr369

You mind telling me where you live? just city state Maybe i can help you with that

Ho come you are not running any surrounds and you are runnig back surrounds?

Philadelphia Pa, I don't have enough space to run wides. the room is longer than it is wide. It's 22 x 11.5

[cxr369]

Originally Posted by crazyBLUE

I don't mean to jump in here & hi Olivier.

Emotiva is only sold from them threw there website. That is why they are such a good deal to buy for a great product.
I would run your front 5 speakers on a 5 channel amp. The receiver will do just fine on the surrounds.

You can always run all your speakers off amps Like crazy people like me

That's why I was thinking of leaning towards the Outlaw 7 channel but the Emotiva could work too running the front five because of its power output and the receiver should have no problem running the rear speakers

[callas01]

[quote=cxr369;4826369]

Originally Posted by BigAl87

I'm running 2 front heights with 2 back surrounds all definitive pro 800s and the LR energy cf 70s with the CC10 as the center.

If you could ask your dealer for me that would be great. Thanks because I don't think I have any Emotiva, Outlaw or Nad dealers near me.

outlaw and emotiva only sell internet direct. Both have very good reputations.

NAD is a very good MFG of audio gear. They make a wide variety of products. That amp is a real bargin at that price.

Any of the 3 or 4 amp under consideration would be great additions to your setup. From what I have gathered from talking with my friend Aces High on here, is that the Pioneers have a weak pre-out section, and therefore an amp with a higher Voltage Input sensitivity would be a better match, the highest one youre looking at is the Emo, followed by the NAD. Those should be your top two choices, IMO. That said, Hes also told me that while the Emo is good, that hes felt MFGs like Anthem, and Parasound have made better amps. Im not sure what that means comparing NAD with Anthem or Parasound, but typically, those brands are pretty comparable. So MAYBE the NAD is a little better overall, but wont be as easily pushed as the Emo.

Weigh the options and go from there. Thats the most help I can give you trying to help you to decide what you want.

[BigAl87]

[quote=callas01;4826893]

Originally Posted by callas

outlaw and emotiva only sell internet direct. Both have very good reputations.

NAD is a very good MFG of audio gear. They make a wide variety of products. That amp is a real bargin at that price.

Any of the 3 or 4 amp under consideration would be great additions to your setup. From what I have gathered from talking with my friend Aces High on here, is that the Pioneers have a weak pre-out section, and therefore an amp with a higher Voltage Input sensitivity would be a better match, the highest one youre looking at is the Emo, followed by the NAD. Those should be your top two choices, IMO. That said, Hes also told me that while the Emo is good, that hes felt MFGs like Anthem, and Parasound have made better amps. Im not sure what that means comparing NAD with Anthem or Parasound, but typically, those brands are pretty comparable. So MAYBE the NAD is a little better overall, but wont be as easily pushed as the Emo.

Weigh the options and go from there. Thats the most help I can give you trying to help you to decide what you want.

I still think he slightly prefered the Anthem MCA50 over the Emo, but that is subjective. My dealer sells Anthem so I guess that what he would suggest with Elite Receivers. Integra makes some nice MC amps too. Not sure how that would perform with Elite.

[BigAl87]

Originally Posted by crazyBLUE

I don't mean to jump in here & hi Olivier.

Emotiva is only sold from them threw there website. That is why they are such a good deal to buy for a great product.
I would run your front 5 speakers on a 5 channel amp. The receiver will do just fine on the surrounds.

You can always run all your speakers off amps Like crazy people like me

Thanks for your input Brent coming from a guy that runs so many amps I think you should know .

For gods sake your subs are passive too, you really are crazy

[Blu Balls]

I just remeasured my tv stand shelves and it looks like neither the xpa3 or upa2 will fit in my stand. I have 17.5 inches of depth and there's a metal thing in the middle-back for support that would not allow me to get the plug in without making either amp stick out the front a few inches. Anyways I was looking at the Outlaw M-Blocks and from the dimensions (11.5 deep) they will easily fit in my stand. The question is, How good are they? Does anybody have any input on these? I was thinking that I could get 2. One for each CF50 and let the receiver push the CC10. Should I go this route or wait for the XPA3 to go on sale and go buy a new tv stand?