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#5081 |
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Just out of curiosity, did anyone else who has Discotek's "Bludgeoning Angel Dokuro-Chan" Blu-ray experience an extreme amount of combing artifacts on the first series episodes (eps 1-8)? I realize the set is 1080i, but the second series episodes (eps 9-12) didn't seem to suffer the same problems.
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professorwho, have you by chance had time to look into any of those titles in order to see if they were worth the upgrading to Blu-ray? I've been trying to look into the individual titles myself through various threads on the forum the past week and it seems like a vast majority were at least a step up from their older DVD releases, I've managed to cut down my list a fair amount in hopes that it would save you some trouble. Also, I guess there's yet to actually be a US Blu-ray release of "Steam Boy," so I excluded that one as well. With the exception of Sentai Filmworks I'm under the impression that most if not all of these are likely to be at least a minor step up in most regards, but stuff like Princess Tutu seem to be a toss up since I recall reading that the Blu-ray had ghosting issues, but I'm unsure if it would still be considered a step up from the DVDs overall or not.
BD Aniplex: "Baccano!" & "Kara no Kyoukai" Columbia: "Paprika" Cinedigm: "Yu-Gi-Oh! The Movie" Eastern Star: "Black Jack The Movie," "Blue Submarine No. 6," Fatal Fury The Movie," "Golgo 13 The Professional," "Jin-Roh The Wolf Brigade, "Magic Knight Rayearth," "NieA_7," "Night on the Galactic Railroad," "New Cutey Honey" & "Lupin the 3rd: Bye Bye Lady Liberty/Dragon of Doom/Island of Assassins/Castle of Cagliostro/Legend of the Gold of Babylon/Pursuit of Harimao's Treasure/3rd Voyage to Danger," Funimation: "Afro Samurai," "Afro Samurai Resurrection," "Fullmetal Alchemist (2003,) "Fullmetal Alchemist the Movie: Conqueror of Shamballa," "GunGrave," "Panty & Stocking with Garterbelt" & "Yu Yu Hakusho" Manga: "Blood: The Last Vampire," "Redline" & "Yu-Gi-Oh! The Dark Side of Dimensions" Sentai Filmworks: "Cobra the Animation," "Nadia: The Secret of Blue Water" & "Princess Tutu," VIZ: "BLAME!" & "Pokemon Movies 1-3" SDBD Eastern Star: "Fist of the North Star," "Blue Seed" & "Medabots" Maiden Japan: "Armored Trooper VOTOMS" Nozomi Entertainment: "A.D. Police to Protect and Serve" Anyway, thanks again for your help. Would anyone happen to know offhand if the Kara no Kyoukai Blu-ray is an improvement over the DVD? I'd really like to know about that one since I'm currently selling off a lot of my older DVDs in preparation for to the move over to Blu-ray, but I'm a little worried about selling off my DVD set for that one without knowing first as it's quite rare now. |
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#5083 |
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I have Blood: The Last Vampire BD. I haven't looked at it recently, but I recall it had a lot of banding. Its also OOP. There was the Japanese version which was still available last year that IIRC looked better and ran cheaper than used NA versions. When you say upgrading BLAME! are you talking about the old OVA or the newer movie? Because there was no BD version for the old OVA. I have the JPN version of the 2017 movie so I can't tell you anything about VIZ release. |
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Own around a third of those on BD problem is I no longer own most if not all of the DVDs to compare them to.
Was able to compare FMA 2003 some time ago it looked like a nice upgrade - https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread...7#post11591247 More recently posted some BD screencaps for Rayearth and I think it's worth the upgrade as well but will let you decide for yourself - https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread...6#post18006996 EDIT: The PQ for Fist of the North Star SDBD looks quite good, only took a quick glance at the first few eps will try posting some screencaps of it when I get a chance. |
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There's No US Blu-ray of Steamboy but the AU Blu-ray from Umbrella is playable on US players, Info and screenshots are available here https://forum.blu-ray.com/showpost.p...postcount=3851
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Apr 2016
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NieA_7 is an upscale but I'm proud of how it came out. Blue Sub no. 6 is a little rough, due to its early digipaint nature. I don't think you'll notice much of a difference between the DVD and SD-BD versions of FotNS, Blue Seed or Medabots, but the subs are improved on FotNS. They might be worth upgrading just for having it on a handier format, YMMV. |
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I heard the blu ray of fist and the north star collection in sd has the misspells left in still since i asked someone way back if they improved. The dvd collection had missing dialogue too also. But most of the time the thug will talk shit and get hit so it didn't matter as much lol.
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#5089 |
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Apr 2016
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Yeah, the SD-BD was made before we hired a real QC person, so some dumb typos got through. TBH, in 152 episodes the batting average isn't too bad. We definitely fixed the missing lines in the DVD tho.
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Thanks so much to everyone for the further assistance, I can bump off a lot more of these now.
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I'm so on the fence about the SDBDs, I know they can potentially be better than DVD, but I can't seem to find out if there's any improvements on these as minor as they might be. Sure, Blu-ray is inherently more scratch resistant and compact, but on the other hand most of these DVD releases are really rare now, especially Medabots. Had the Eastern Star release of Medabots fixed the episode order that would have been enough to sell me on its SDBD release. Regardless, Part of me is saying do it you idiot! while the other side is convinced that it's not worth the upgrade unless there are some sort of improvements to speak of, perhaps if there were some screenshot comparisons I could get a better idea of those ones. I wonder if there are any sort of audio improvements on these, that might be enough to justify getting them, even if that's the sort of thing I'm unlikely to notice very often. If there are some fixes on the SDBD of FotNS such as the aforementioned missing text then that might be enough to make it worth getting since iirc a fairly large chunk of the series was never dubbed. I'm honestly a bit surprised that such an influential series has yet to have any kind of proper BD release, (at least in NA) but I know that's a problem on Japan's end not yours. Quote:
Alright, as I mentioned above I was able to cut down my list even further, this should be what it looks like now. I also just learned how to use the spoiler tag too so I can stop wasting so much page space with updates to it. [Show spoiler]
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Umbrella is an Australian company so the disc says Region B, but the releases I have from them are Region ABC discs
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Only outright improvements over the DVD versions for those SD-BDs are improved subs on FotNS, closed captions on Medabots, and revised subs on Blue Seed (some of the name translations didn't match on the OVAs). If it were me, I'd probably prioritize getting other discs, and maybe pick up one or two of these next time there's a sale. Last edited by jsevakis; 09-05-2020 at 09:02 PM. |
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Mobile Suit Gundam Unicorn #1 - Nozomi/Anime Ltd. BD vs Bandai BD
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Disc Label: GUNDAM_UC_BD1 Disc Size: 47,206,850,967 bytes Protection: AACS Playlist: 00001.MPLS Size: 18,139,942,464 bytes Length: 0:57:54.471 Total Bitrate: 41.77 Mbps Video: MPEG-4 AVC Video / 26962 kbps / 1080p / 23.976 fps / 16:9 / High Profile 4.1 Audio: Japanese / LPCM Audio / 5.1 / 48 kHz / 4608 kbps / 16-bit Audio: Japanese / LPCM Audio / 2.0 / 48 kHz / 1536 kbps / 16-bit Audio: English / LPCM Audio / 5.1 / 48 kHz / 4608 kbps / 16-bit Audio: English / LPCM Audio / 2.0 / 48 kHz / 1536 kbps / 16-bit Subtitle: English / 39.245 kbps Subtitle: English / 0.037 kbps ![]() BDInfo Bandai BD Code:
Disc Title: GUNDAM UNICORN 1 Disc Label: GUNDAMUC_1 Disc Size: 21,005,291,202 bytes Protection: AACS Playlist: 00005.MPLS Size: 20,410,036,224 bytes Length: 0:57:57.474 Total Bitrate: 46.95 Mbps Video: MPEG-4 AVC Video / 34100 kbps / 1080p / 23.976 fps / 16:9 / High Profile 4.1 Audio: Japanese / Dolby TrueHD Audio / 5.1 / 48 kHz / 3756 kbps / 24-bit (AC3 Embedded: 5.1 / 48 kHz / 640 kbps / DN -27dB) Audio: Japanese / Dolby Digital Audio / 2.0 / 48 kHz / 640 kbps / DN -27dB Audio: English / Dolby TrueHD Audio / 5.1 / 48 kHz / 1831 kbps / 16-bit (AC3 Embedded: 5.1 / 48 kHz / 640 kbps / DN -25dB) Audio: English / Dolby Digital Audio / 2.0 / 48 kHz / 640 kbps / DN -25dB Subtitle: Japanese / 27.776 kbps Subtitle: English / 33.646 kbps Subtitle: French / 33.590 kbps Subtitle: Spanish / 35.691 kbps Subtitle: Chinese / 46.667 kbps Subtitle: Chinese / 46.660 kbps ![]() |
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Ghost in the Shell 攻殻機動隊 (Koukaku Kidoutai/Mobile Armored Riot Police)
(Lionsgate, USA) 2160p 1.85:1 Aspect Ratio HEVC/H.265 ~60 mbps Japanese LPCM 2.0 (48kHz, 24-bit) Japanese Dolby Atmos (48kHz, 24-bit) English Dolby Atmos (48kHz, 24-bit) BD-100 To cut to the chase, yes, this is the exact same master as the Japanese 4K UHD release. I mean, this was obvious. Yes, there has been DNR applied here, but unlike other 4K UHD releases of anime classics where the noise reduction was applied on essentially everything, producing a smeary mess *coughAkiracough*, GitS has avoided such a fate. In fact, there is a bit of film grain in the image, and in shots which have been nearly untouched it is breathtaking. In fact, the rendering of the grain that is here is rather good. It is just that the DNR is selective, essentially being applied to areas where you can "get away with it," while grain is left intact where it is absolutely needed to preserve detail. I like this approach more than the "smear the f**k out of everything" approach taken by Akira. Comparisons to Space Adventure Cobra are warranted here, as Cobra, while degrained to the point where I couldn't see any at all, is still an upgrade over its BD due to the techniques used. Cobra was restored by the Tokyo Labratory, rather than Q-Tec. It is worth nothing that Q-Tec doesn't have one approach to everything, as it varies based on clients needs, so while their restoration of Akira is a smear-fest, Ghost in the Shell is a decent effort, and Cardcaptor Sakura, while 100% degrained, is their best work, as it has zero loss in detail whatsoever, being a massive upgrade over its old BD (I'm talking about the TV series here, which is only on 1080p BD because a 4K release of a 70 episode shoujo series would be crazy). So there is massive variability in their output. Detail is rather good, and I personally don't see any loss in detail over the 1080p Blu-rays, even in the more blurry areas of their DNR application. In fact, there is a decent upgrade to detail here over said BDs. I know this sounds crazy, like, "minimal detail upgrade? Bruh, this is a 4K UHD, there should be a huge upgrade," but with these Japanese 4K releases, this is what it is. A good number of Japanese consumers don't care about film grain, and will post negative user reviews on grainy anime releases, so this trend of DNR heavy UHDs is just to appeal to their domestic customers. The HDR implementation is subtle and effective. I can only display HDR10, so I can't talk about Dolby Vision, but it looks pretty good to me. Highlights are strong and well defined, while darker regions have a similar brightness level to existing BDs. Though, there are weird exceptions, like this shot here, where there's clearly something going on with the highlights and their HDR implementation. Video compression is rather good, as expected of a Lionsgate release (that they produced the disc for, Studio Canal licenses don't count). The bitrate hovers around the 60 mbps region with little variance, only topping around 85 mbps in select instances, though mostly in the 60-70 region. That's not a problem at all, as the compression has been carried out very well, with no encoding issues to report. This is free of macroblocking and banding, providing a nice image. It's just that, being on a BD-100, you'd expect a higher bitrate, and that isn't here. Hell, the Japanese UHD averaged 90(!) mbps on a BD-66, so clearly there was space that could've been utilized better. There are brand new Dolby Atmos mixes, but I din't listen to them, really, as I don't have a surround sound setup, and they aren't the original mixes for the film. Instead, I highly suggest watching with the Japanese LPCM 2.0 (48kHz, 24-bit) track, which replicates the theatrical Dolby Stereo audio mix perfectly. While I'm not major audiophile like the good Captain Solo who goes on damn fool idealistic crusades, I didn't hear anything that sounded like side-effects of severe noise reduction. It may be there, but I didn't catch any. The English dub infamously had quite a lot of mixing errors on the previous release, and from the brief bit I did sample of it, the ones I did look for were fixed. For example, when Batou chases the hacker around the 20 minute mark and he gets away, Batou exclaims, "shit," which was previously removed on the BD for some reason. It's here. In that same scene, when he shoots the watermelons, the third shot was missing, and here it's been restored. Now, I don't have the time or desire to check every error, but know that at least those two have been fixed, so I'm willing to bet more have as well. The subtitle translation is based on that of the 1998 DVD release, but has been cleaned up a bit and is an improvement... but it's not perfect. As someone who has revised subs before, there are lines here I wouldn't be allowed on a final release. The issue here is simple- Ghost in the Shell is a b*tch to translate. Japanese is a very dense language, where people speak fast and words take up less characters and time in speaking to convey than most Latin based languages can do in the same length. So, to make subtitles for most people, you have two options- change and remove stuff to make them flow at a speed where most people can read them, or have them filled to the brim with text at a very fast speed so as to not lose anything. I personally prefer the latter, and people subtitling Hong Kong action films do as well. However, you'd have to have good reading skill to do it that fast, so I can sympathize with the translators here, so while I do have criticisms with the current translation, know it has a very solid base, but there is a lot of diction I would change, personally. Lastly, the actual authoring of the disc deserves praise. When you boot up the disc, it defaults to the English dub in Atmos. I suggest switching it to Japanese LPCM 2.0 in the audio section, and to English (or Spanish, if that is your native language) in the subtitle options. However, if, during the middle of the film you switch languages, not only does the audio change, but the subtitles do. What was once a translation of the Japanese dialogue can now be dubtitles (a transcript of the English dub), and this happens automatically when you swap audio languages in the menu without changing subs manually, because it does it automatically. This is cool, as people who prefer the English dub but can't hear well can get subtitles for the dub specifically. All anime releases should do this from now on. Way to go, Lionsgate! Please let this become the industry standard. The extras are great, with the retrospective feature featuring some faces I'm sure many will be familiar with both as fans within the industry, and the people made the dub. It's a fun extra. I've yet to listen to the new commentary, but it seems promising. Overall, at the price, it's one hell of a deal. The film should look better, but given the Japanese market favoring DNR, that isn't happening anytime soon. There are good audio and subtitle options, and the artwork is rather nice on the standard edition. Manga Entertainment should be releasing this on UHD in the UK soon, so if you don't feel like importing, don't feel left out- a European option is coming soon. |
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UPDATE: Just after I write a glowing review, it’s uncovered that the credits have the incorrect music playing. In the original Japanese mix, “Chant 3 - Reincarnation” by Kenji Kawai is supposed to play, and in English, “One Minute Warning” by Passengers. On the UHD, on all 3 audio tracks, “Passengers” plays, which means the LPCM 2.0 track is a downmix of the Atmos remix.
Motherf**ker! UGH. This film is cursed, I swear. Every single release outside Japan has issues. |
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