Halloween (2018)

[flash.over]

Originally Posted by bobbyh64

If H20 had been kept in the chronology, how would you bring back Michael? Remake the first five minutes of Resurrection and say Laurie decapitated the wrong man again? Have a cult leader or mad scientist resurrect Michael like Frankenstein? The film wouldn’t be taken seriously and would just be another awkward and confusing sequel.

I’m only being technical here and fully support the sequels being retconned, but if they wanted to include H20 they could’ve without redoing anything. The first shot of Michael in the paramedic uniform is from H20’s shoot as the swtcheroo was always planned lol

[bobbyh64]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

I loved the shape’s look and the fast brutal kills. The tracking shot with the two kills was a highlight. JLC was great and I particularly enjoyed her meltdown in the restaurant.

Finally the soundtrack was killer and I enjoyed the final confrontation.

Like you say, the kid was great. He got the best laughs in the cinema.

That tracking shot was cool but they shouldn’t have used the Halloween theme there. It doesn’t fit. It should’ve been silent like in the trailer and the scene they’re copying from Halloween II, or at least had a different piece of music playing. Using the main theme there draws more attention to the music than the visuals in my opinion.

[bobbyh64]

Originally Posted by jess1581

You guys giving the sibling aspect so much shit and blame JC and alcohol for it.... yet you seem to forget that H2 was supposed to have ended the Myers story so they could continue with different stories like Tales from the Crypt thus H3. So Laurie being his sister was an attempt to resolve the arc of both characters before putting that story to bed. True John wrote it that way out of creative exhaustion, but in hindsight it woulda worked fine if the fans didn't blindingly clamor for more Myers. The sibling element lived on in the rest of the series, because fans wanted more of the same rejecting H3. So, the fans are just as responsible.

The fans are also responsible for Resurrection. After H20 a poll was conducted asking fans if they wanted more Myers or a separate Halloween story. They voted for more Myers. So the fans can also be blamed for erasing H20’s ending.

[jess1581]

Originally Posted by bobbyh64

The fans are also responsible for Resurrection. After H20 a poll was conducted asking fans if they wanted more Myers or a separate Halloween story. They voted for more Myers. So the fans can also be blamed for erasing H20’s ending.

Yep.... That's what I mean. Single minded.

[trans8010]

Originally Posted by jess1581

You guys giving the sibling aspect so much shit and blame JC and alcohol for it.... yet you seem to forget that H2 was supposed to have ended the Myers story so they could continue with different stories like Tales from the Crypt thus H3. So Laurie being his sister was an attempt to resolve the arc of both characters before putting that story to bed. True John wrote it that way out of creative exhaustion, but in hindsight it woulda worked fine if the fans didn't blindingly clamor for more Myers. The sibling element lived on in the rest of the series, because fans wanted more of the same rejecting H3. So, the fans are just as responsible.

If Laurie was born in 1961, and her parents died in 1965-1966 when Michael was committed and under the care of Sam Loomis, then how come Loomis was unaware of Laurie?

You're telling me when Laurie was visting Myers in the sanitarium (unless its a psychic mind melding thing similar to 5) she had no idea that was her brother? Why would she be there otherwise?

Of course it is plausible that Michael sees a family resemblance in Laurie when she walked up on his doorstep, he wouldn't have known at that moment it was her. Nor would he have known his sister was still living in Haddonfield

How could any sealed records protect Laurie, when the entire town would have known about the youngest Myers daughter, who lost her parents? Surely all those people would have known it was her, including the sheriff.

Laurie may have been stalked by Myers but Myers didn't kill her until after he piled up a big enough body count. Annie was first, deliberately because of his anger towards her for insulting him. Then when Lynda was having sex with Bob he picked them as targets, reliving the crime over n over. It really isn't until AFTER Laurie comes to the Wallace house, that she is attacked. Had She not gone over to the house, the Wallace's may have been the next target when they come home after a lengthy evening of partying. If the sister really was the target, why not kill her at any course of the day, when she was alone?

Halloween II's revelation really does affect the plotting of the original and retroactively puts forth large plot holes, to make Halloween II's secret reveal work.

[jayman3]

Halloween (2018) is The Last Jedi of horror/slasher flicks in terms of fan response.

[jess1581]

Originally Posted by jayman3

Halloween (2018) is The Last Jedi of horror/slasher flicks in terms of fan response.

Only thing that reminds me of Last Jedi concerning H40 is the wasted plot threads. That whole subplot of Canto Bight just to find a code breaker which at the end of the day didn't work and Benecio two-times Finn and Rose... so it was one big waste of plot filler.... though a very visually interesting waste of plot filler.

Dr. Sartain's character and his role in the plot is Canto Bight and Benecio. Sartain was about as useful as a bull on a dairy farm.

[Keyser Soze.]

Originally Posted by trans8010

It had a double meaning. Carpenter goes on to say that yes he's out there, and all the places we once thought were safe are no longer the case, but because Loomis cannot kill him with 6 bullets, nor Laurie with two stab wounds to the neck and chest, and prior to his rampage in '78, he was kept in a dormant state for 15 years. After killing his sister, there wasn't a compulsion or need to kill again. It showcases the mysterious nature of evil, we don't know when or how it will take form, and when it will strike next. By not being able to vanquish Michael, Carpenter provides a commentary on evil itself, that it cannot be completely destroyed. There is an eternal struggle in the cosmos with the balance of good and evil, to provide that balance you have to have both. So what Green and McBride do, is postulate that the evil of Michael could only be placed in a dormant state, and if triggered, would reactivate.

Originally Posted by trans8010

I happen to agree, somewhat. I thought the strongest portions of the film, were the beginning as well, but I did enjoy or was fascinated by much of the film. That long POV shot where he randomly picks off two women in the neighborhood. The bathroom sequence was just brutal, and I really felt my heart leap into my throat, but Laurie's story, is what made this from average remake/continuation to an amazing entry in a neverending saga of Michael Myers. Its amazing how poignant her story is, and how deeply down the rabbit hole she fell, refusing help, alienating her family with this driving obsession that herself as well as her family will not be safe as long as Michael is out there. In the real world, this crippling fear exists for many victims/survivors of such brutality, and even though Laurie is right in the end about her nightmare coming to a reality, it still doesn't make her any less of a fractured person, and its just not normal to carry on your life this way. Here was a 17 year old girl with so much life ahead of her, and one fateful night in 1978, it changed for the worse. Michael Myers took away her innocence, her security and left behind a twist version of her own self, frightful of the boogeyman and ahackled to that fear. I found Green's direction, Mcbride's screenplay (alongside Green and Radley) and Curtis's own performance to be moving, relatable and thrilling.

You got way more out of this film (script) than I did. Heh

I liked the film and thought that it was well shot, but unfortunately that was about it.

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by trans8010

I happen to agree, somewhat. I thought the strongest portions of the film, were the beginning as well, but I did enjoy or was fascinated by much of the film. That long POV shot where he randomly picks off two women in the neighborhood. The bathroom sequence was just brutal, and I really felt my heart leap into my throat, but Laurie's story, is what made this from average remake/continuation to an amazing entry in a neverending saga of Michael Myers. Its amazing how poignant her story is, and how deeply down the rabbit hole she fell, refusing help, alienating her family with this driving obsession that herself as well as her family will not be safe as long as Michael is out there. In the real world, this crippling fear exists for many victims/survivors of such brutality, and even though Laurie is right in the end about her nightmare coming to a reality, it still doesn't make her any less of a fractured person, and its just not normal to carry on your life this way. Here was a 17 year old girl with so much life ahead of her, and one fateful night in 1978, it changed for the worse. Michael Myers took away her innocence, her security and left behind a twist version of her own self, frightful of the boogeyman and ahackled to that fear. I found Green's direction, Mcbride's screenplay (alongside Green and Radley) and Curtis's own performance to be moving, relatable and thrilling.

Some people are underplaying the PTSD angle, you have hit the nail on the head with the point about Laurie still being the teenage girl inside. Traumatic events can trap that person in that memory and I thought JLC handled it superbly. The restaurant scene was a perfect example. Her daughter was acting out of fear as well, she obviously carried the weight of her mother’s trauma from a young age. It was just pure denial and I thought it worked a (trick or ) treat.

[Jay Mammoth]

Originally Posted by jayman3

Halloween (2018) is The Last Jedi of horror/slasher flicks in terms of fan response.

Lol Wrong.
Last Jedi audience score 45%
Halloween 75%

Both audienences I was with loved it. Applause at the end.

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by Jay Mammoth

Lol Wrong.
Last Jedi audience score 45%
Halloween 75%

Both audienences I was with loved it. Applause at the end.

Why do people clap a screen? . We only do that for live theatre.

My tribute is buying the film on Blu-ray.

[eiknarf]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

Why do people clap a screen? . We only do that for live theatre.

My tribute is buying the film on Blu-ray.

Yup

Dead on balls accurate

There’s no need to clap at the end of a movie!

What’s next? Are people going to start throwing roses at the screen!?

Are people going to give the projectionist a round of applause!?


Applause is for a live living recipient to receive- and flowers

[jayman3]

Originally Posted by Jay Mammoth

Lol Wrong.
Last Jedi audience score 45%
Halloween 75%

Both audienences I was with loved it. Applause at the end.

I loved the film too, and my audience also applauded.

What I was getting across is, the negative comments are over exaggerated making it seem like this is the worst film in the franchise made. When it's not.

I guess that is what happens when some fans have above average high expectations, and the movie largely ignores previous sequels.

[eiknarf]

Originally Posted by jayman3

I loved the film too, and my audience also applauded..

The projection screen thanks them

[Jay Mammoth]

Originally Posted by jayman3

I loved the film too, and my audience also applauded.

What I was getting across is, the negative comments are over exaggerated making it seem like this is the worst film in the franchise made. When it's not.

I guess that is what happens when some fans have above average high expectations, and the movie largely ignores previous sequels.

Got cha. Yeah this movie is a masterpiece compared to trash like 5 and 6.

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by jayman3

I loved the film too, and my audience also applauded.

What I was getting across is, the negative comments are over exaggerated making it seem like this is the worst film in the franchise made. When it's not.

I guess that is what happens when some fans have above average high expectations, and the movie largely ignores previous sequels.

Agreed. Very good film and it’s going straight on my display shelves come next year.

[Member-351780]

i heard some people complaining about the artwork on the steelbook on my instagram. i actually prefer it than the artwork on the regular blu-ray, though. am i the only one who feels that way?

[Michael24]

Originally Posted by Jay Mammoth

Both audienences I was with loved it. Applause at the end.

There was some scattered applause in my audience at the end, although not nearly as much as I've heard before. It was funny that it kind of faded away really quick once it became apparent that the majority of the audience wasn't going to follow suit, when normally it sounds like almost everybody joins in for a moment. Everybody also seemed to file out in mostly silence, whereas often I will hear the sounds of excited chatter among people when the movie has been really good.

[jess1581]

Originally Posted by jayman3

I loved the film too, and my audience also applauded.

What I was getting across is, the negative comments are over exaggerated making it seem like this is the worst film in the franchise made. When it's not.

I guess that is what happens when some fans have above average high expectations, and the movie largely ignores previous sequels.

Just to be clear... H1, H2, H20, H4, H18, H3... the rest are meh. So no, i don't think its the worst. Do i think the hype is exaggerated? Yes. H18 is well made, has good performances(minus the doctor), Michael Myers as a presence is a total boss, and the music makes a fan feel warm and fuzzy.... Overall, Green squeazed out a goodish film from a rather flawed script which coulda used another "stab" at a rewrite. The story framework was a solid foundation... but it's the script that brings it down for me. I feel like it wasn't quite ready and needed more polish and fine tuning. That is all. If i had any expectations, it is because of the caliber of the talent involved, and the nature of the project being presented.

On a sidenote I really liked The Last Jedi... warts and all.

[jayman3]

Originally Posted by jess1581

Just to be clear... H1, H2, H20, H4, H18, H3... the rest are meh. So no, i don't think its the worst. Do i think the hype is exaggerated? Yes. H18 is well made, has good performances(minus the doctor), Michael Myers as a presence is a total boss, and the music makes a fan feel warm and fuzzy.... Overall, Green squeazed out a goodish film from a rather flawed script which coulda used another "stab" at a rewrite. The story framework was a solid foundation... but it's the script that brings it down for me. I feel like it wasn't quite ready and needed more polish and fine tuning. That is all. If i had any expectations, it is because of the caliber of the talent involved, and the nature of the project being presented.

On a sidenote I really liked The Last Jedi... warts and all.

I can agree. Granted I've only seen this movie once, but I guess you can say some (or all) of the stories instances were too coincidental or just not well rounded enough. As you've said, the script has some rough edges to it, but it's nothing too damaging to the overall experience.