Physical & Digital EST: The Future of Home Video Discussion Thread

[bhampton]

Originally Posted by mwynn

Was there not data released before that said people do not care about ads, just the price of the service. I mean TUBI seems to be very popular.

I think your Yoda speak may be not off.


Right. And people often don't care about what on regardless. Many people don't seem to care much at all. And you won't find many thinking they have lots of extra money to purchase subscriptions with the goal for many is try to access someone else's account.

I'm not sure the masses are into Vinyl but I've been buying records lately for my daughter and many stores in town have them.

[Vilya]

Welcome mwynn!

It is good to see someone else participate in the thread.

I think that for the foreseeable future home video will remain much as it is now: mostly digital distribution in the form of subscription streaming- and a growing portion of that will be ad supported subscription streaming. Traditional cable and satellite TV will make up a big part of the mix, too, despite its decline- it's declining from a pretty high vantage point to begin with.

The purchasing of movies, be it on physical media, digital storefronts, or downloads, will be a very small, but persistent, part of the mix. If Kaleidescape had a much more affordable competitor, downloads might grow in popularity, but probably not by all that much. The whole behavior of purchasing content on any format has dropped year over year for quite awhile now.

Obtaining the best possible A/V quality, like with ownership, is not the motivating factor for most consumers; cost and convenience are and that heavily favors subscription streaming both today and tomorrow.

[mwynn]

Originally Posted by Vilya

Welcome mwynn!

It is good to see someone else participate in the thread.

I think that for the foreseeable future home video will remain much as it is now: mostly digital distribution in the form of subscription streaming- and a growing portion of that will be ad supported subscription streaming. Traditional cable and satellite TV will make up a big part of the mix, too, despite its decline- it's declining from a pretty high vantage point to begin with.

The purchasing of movies, be it on physical media, digital storefronts, or downloads, will be a very small, but persistent, part of the mix. If Kaleidescape had a much more affordable competitor, downloads might grow in popularity, but probably not by all that much. The whole behavior of purchasing content on any format has dropped year over year for quite awhile now.

Obtaining the best possible A/V quality, like with ownership, is not the motivating factor for most consumers; cost and convenience are and that heavily favors subscription streaming both today and tomorrow.

Thanks.

I saw that some of the cable services are moving to a streaming component, and even finally offering ala carte. Which people were asking for years ago. Right, whatever is the easiest and most readily avaliable option will win out.

[bhampton]

The research I saw recently is people pay as much attention to the ads as they do to the content.

I think that says more about how willing they are to ignore the content. I can't really imagine people putting the phone down to watch whatever happens to be on. I would try to get people to put down the phone more often in my own theater but people are pretty hooked.

What's fun about online content is it can and does get removed and renegotiated instantly. And new terms of service are constantly changed don't agree with them and you can't use the service. Add the cost of a VPN to access geo locked media and the cost of a dark web scanner because you rely so much on being online. Thankfully I'm old and willing to be old fashioned.

[Anthony P]

Originally Posted by alchav21

Google Android Apps on a Sony UHD TV remain solid, I'll bet this over any BD Player or Disc. If you read the Hardware Threads they already have problems with the remaining Disc Players. Also I'll put my money on Streaming a File from a Server over Streaming that File from a Disc!

maybe instead of just reading you should buy a player and see with your own eyes. The problem is like you, what I have noticed most of them talking about "problems" are just people like you without players telling people with players that they are so problematic.

[Anthony P]

Originally Posted by alchav21

The Love for Film and Home Theater just needs Fiber Access to Stream that File from a Server instead of a Disc!

no fiber and streaming is good for the person that loves wasting time (which I consider an acceptable love and am not judging) . If someone loves film then they should love to see everything the camera captured which includes everything lost in compression. And they should love everything captured in the audio mix. and they should demand to see it as intended in one sitting (or if it was built with an intermission, then with a small brake in the middle) and not full of ads (or peace meal over several days).

[Anthony P]

Originally Posted by bhampton

All in on servers and you don't believe in backups ?

Are you the only person left in the world with disc envy ?

no there is a few on this site.

[Anthony P]

Originally Posted by mwynn

What is the future of home video?

more of the same for most.

[Anthony P]

Originally Posted by mwynn

Would not the future of a product be dependent on the adoption rate of the masses?

did the masses ever adopt luxury sports cars like Ferrari? Did the massres ever adopt private jest and helicopters? a bit more down to earth did the masses ever adopt proper surround (5.1, 7.1....)? hell did the masses adopt wide screen before manufacturers forced them to do so because all new flat panel TVs where 16:9?

Let me answer it this way there where unrealistic people in the 70's that thought the future of music did not include records (might have been before 70's but I was not alive then) because the masses has started to go to other stuff like 8-track, there where people in the 2000's that thought because the masses where moving away from CD that the future of music will be iTunes, there where people in the 3020's that thought the future of music was streaming. But all four options are still around and will be for any foreseeable future with streaming for the masses (since they don't care about ownership or quality), digital DL for the niche that wants to pseudo own (and the one nearer death), CD for the ones that want a physical copy and records for the people that want the nuances of analogue.

[the-pi-guy]

Originally Posted by alchav21

You had me at Backups, having them says you are worried already!

You'll be devastated to know that the streamers you're using also have backups, probably dozens of them.

At least with physical media, we're able to make backups. Which isn't the case with streaming.

[Anthony P]

Originally Posted by bhampton

Maybe. Time will tell I guess. Future is always a bit tricky.

Depends I think I can safely predict that for as long as I want I will be able to watch physical copies.

[Anthony P]

Originally Posted by mwynn

Thanks.

I saw that some of the cable services are moving to a streaming component, and even finally offering ala carte. Which people were asking for years ago. Right, whatever is the easiest and most readily avaliable option will win out.

the tech used in Cable and Sat has always changed with time just like anything else (even OTA). in North America there is also paid "linear TV" offered by telcos 9maybe around 20 years now) aka fiber TV e.g. Bell fibe here in Canada, AT&T u-verse in the US...

[stonesfan129]

Originally Posted by bhampton

The Future Is Clear

It's good to stream once in a while to remind you how much better high bit rate video and lossless audio really is.

Thankfully I'm marked safe from the upcoming Bundle War and push to AD supported video services. I could not care less about online video I may tune in when I'm tired or for TV series that I'm only slightly interested in keeping up with.

I agree that this should be the future. However, I can't imagine the duplication machines will last much longer. I hear the ones that do exist are held together with bubble gum and elbow grease. The costs will indefinitely go up with tariffs. And I've got to wonder how much longer Sony and Panasonic will keep on making players. Microsoft is likely to go totally digital with the next Xbox and I bet PS will follow suit.

It's too bad that boutique labels don't have their own dupe machines and don't make their own players. Sort of the same way how the vinyl market is where smaller labels and even bands themselves do their own vinyl pressing and you've got all sorts of Chinese companies and others that make turntables. At least there, the discs and players will still be around for the foreseeable future.

[Anthony P]

Originally Posted by stonesfan129

I agree that this should be the future. However, I can't imagine the duplication machines will last much longer. I hear the ones that do exist are held together with bubble gum and elbow grease. The costs will indefinitely go up with tariffs. And I've got to wonder how much longer Sony and Panasonic will keep on making players. Microsoft is likely to go totally digital with the next Xbox and I bet PS will follow suit.

It's too bad that boutique labels don't have their own dupe machines and don't make their own players. Sort of the same way how the vinyl market is where smaller labels and even bands themselves do their own vinyl pressing and you've got all sorts of Chinese companies and others that make turntables. At least there, the discs and players will still be around for the foreseeable future.

Considering mass market films are not duplicated (i.e. timely and expensive process of copying data from machine to expensive blank media). They are replicated ( measured in seconds little plastic beads are melted and turned automatically in film playing disks by using a stamper. It makes it6 extremely hard to consider anything else you said after that seriously.

https://www.youtube.com/supported_br...tube.com/watch

[Maddox121]

Originally Posted by stonesfan129

I agree that this should be the future. However, I can't imagine the duplication machines will last much longer. I hear the ones that do exist are held together with bubble gum and elbow grease. The costs will indefinitely go up with tariffs. And I've got to wonder how much longer Sony and Panasonic will keep on making players. Microsoft is likely to go totally digital with the next Xbox and I bet PS will follow suit.

It's too bad that boutique labels don't have their own dupe machines and don't make their own players. Sort of the same way how the vinyl market is where smaller labels and even bands themselves do their own vinyl pressing and you've got all sorts of Chinese companies and others that make turntables. At least there, the discs and players will still be around for the foreseeable future.

http://wiki.redump.org/index.php?tit...t_of_SID_codes
There's a few dozen companies still printing DVDs/BRs, there's no way all their machines are on the verge of breaking. The problem isn't the duplication machines or even the tariffs, it's the consumers. Heck, there's still a few companies with working VHS duplication machines (mainly in China, but still).

[Vilya]

Originally Posted by sapiendut

If you want “streaming” and wanting great quality then you should get Kaleidescape.

I meant to say this earlier, but I am glad to see that you are back and posting again. I hope that things are progressing well for you.

[Gotho(redux)]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

You are a good guy too Goth.

Originally Posted by Vilya

Then allow me to say it for you.

The kindness that you have shown to me, a stranger on an internet forum, reveals the inherent goodness in yourself.

Thank you.

Thank you both for the kind words. It really does mean a lot to me.

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by Vilya

I meant to say this earlier, but I am glad to see that you are back and posting again. I hope that things are progressing well for you.

I second that.

[Dynamo of Eternia]

Originally Posted by alchav21

You think having Kscape puts you on ezstreet, you almost sound like Wendell. You guys with your Projector Home Theaters and Disc Collection think you are above it all. The Love for Film and Home Theater just needs Fiber Access to Stream that File from a Server instead of a Disc!

What They Don’t Want You to Know About Streaming… - YouTube

[BluBonnet]

Originally Posted by mwynn

Was there not data released before that said people do not care about ads, just the price of the service. I mean TUBI seems to be very popular.

Well, that may be true of a lot of people, certainly. But not everyone!