Physical & Digital EST: The Future of Home Video Discussion Thread

[bhampton]

I like Tubi sometimes but I haven't even watched The Shark Side of the Moon yet and I need to get to it.

The single part of our back and forth that Alchav never seems to grasp or admit is the files used by streaming services are NOT the files used on Disc. They have never been and will likely never be.

I am glad he likes Fiber internet though I'm going to get that too.

[Ender14]

Originally Posted by bhampton

The single part of our back and forth that Alchav never seems to grasp or admit is the files used by streaming services are NOT the files used on Disc. They have never been and will likely never be.

That's why I stopped feeding the troll. Might as well explain it to your wall. The result is the same.

[Dynamo of Eternia]

Originally Posted by Ender14

That's why I stopped feeding the troll. Might as well explain it to your wall. The result is the same.

Actually explaining it to a wall might be more productive. At least the wall can't talk back and keep repeating nonsense.

[sapiendut]

Originally Posted by Vilya

I meant to say this earlier, but I am glad to see that you are back and posting again. I hope that things are progressing well for you.

I’m kinda come and go. I have to have blood transfusion and iron infusion once a week. My arms are full of track marks as if I’m a druggie. But unfortunately that’s all they can do until they find matching bone marrow. Which according to them will take 3-5 years and still no guarantee that it will help me.

[russweiss1]

Originally Posted by Ender14

That's why I stopped feeding the troll. Might as well explain it to your wall. The result is the same.

[Vilya]

Originally Posted by sapiendut

I’m kinda come and go. I have to have blood transfusion and iron infusion once a week. My arms are full of track marks as if I’m a druggie. But unfortunately that’s all they can do until they find matching bone marrow. Which according to them will take 3-5 years and still no guarantee that it will help me.

Weekly infusions are really rough. There is no time for your arms to heal between treatments. I am so sorry that you have to go through all of this.

3 to 5 years seems like forever when you need something so important. I certainly hope that when a match is finally found that it benefits you. I also hope that you are able to have a decent quality of life despite all of the many hardships that you have to endure. I won't forget about you.

[mwynn]

Originally Posted by BluBonnet

Well, that may be true of a lot of people, certainly. But not everyone!

Of course. Yet Blu-Ray eliminated HD dvd because of mass acceptance.

[alchav21]

Originally Posted by Ender14

That's why I stopped feeding the troll. Might as well explain it to your wall. The result is the same.

Anybody that disagrees with you guys is a Troll, I go back more than a Decade and have said that File could be on a Disc or on a Server. Yes they are different but they could be the same. IMO The Future is Fiber Networks accessing these Servers with better than Disc Quality Streaming!

I have been watching The Godfather Movies from my Fandango Collection. Probably just a handful of you guys could do this without Player or Disc problems!

[Dynamo of Eternia]

Originally Posted by alchav21

Anybody that disagrees with you guys is a Troll, I go back more than a Decade and have said that File could be on a Disc or on a Server. Yes they are different but they could be the same. IMO The Future is Fiber Networks accessing these Servers with better than Disc Quality Streaming!

I have been watching The Godfather Movies from my Fandango Collection. Probably just a handful of you guys could do this without Player or Disc problems!

No, people simply disagreeing are not trolls. If someone happens to prefer streaming to the point where they opt to use little to no physical media, that is their choice and they are welcome to it. And they are free to share why they prefer it.

YOU are a Troll because you ignore facts, make up / keep repeating false facts, and you refuse to see the forest through the trees.


You've even repeated some of those things again here.

Like your point about files. The FACT is that the file that is on a 4K disc and the file being used in a 4K stream (or a Blu-Ray and an HD stream) are NOT of the same quality to start with.

Even the best streaming options (I'm talking actual streaming - not a download service like k-scape) do not have the same full quality as a disc. Again, this is simply a fact, not an opinion.

If someone doesn't care about the difference, or if they individually just don't perceive much of a difference - at least not enough of one to care, that is their choice and that is fine.

YOU, however, keep insisting that they are the same right here and right now. YOU insist that somehow you magically get "Disc-Like Quality™!!!"" just because you have fiber wiring. That is NOT how this works. It doesn't matter if someone has the absolute best wiring ever for moving vast amounts of data quickly - when the file being streamed is of lower quality to start with, it doesn't magically become higher quality just because of the kind of wiring you have. You still don't get this.

Fiber wiring is really not needed to get the best quality out of typical streaming services these days. It certainly doesn't hurt to have it, but it is not this miracle that you think it is in current streaming use cases.


And "The Future™!!!" is likely just more of the same. Most of these streaming services are not likely to go out of their way to offer super high end quality (that surpasses the best quality of discs today) when the vast majority of their customers are not looking for that.

And in the highly unlikely event that they ever were to offer that, it would probably come at a ridiculously high monthly rate. And still with all of the other issues that streaming has these days (titles possibly being removed, edited, replaced by a new transfer that may or may not be better than the previous one depending on how over-processed it might be).



You act like people having back ups is some kind of huge negative against physical media, as per your recent reply to Steedeel, but what is being backed up is something that streaming simply does not and likely cannot offer - both in terms of quality, and also simply the preservation and access to our favorite movies and TV shows. I've said it before and I'll say it again, as much as I do prefer to get the best quality possible, a regular Blu-Ray or even DVD of a movie or TV show that I care about is better than any streaming option (even 4K) in terms of long term access.

Backing things up just makes sense. Even the absolute best made physical product can potentially wear out, break down, be lost, stolen, or accidentally damaged. So it make sense to back things up where possible and reasonable. Streaming still does not replace what the physical options give us.




And as I will once again need to point out (this isn't the first time and probably won't be the last time), many of us who collect physical movies ALSO use streaming services. I am currently signed up for a couple of them myself (I tend not to be signed up for more than 2 at a time, and will cancel one and sign up for another when desired - If I am spending a lot of time watching one or two of them, then it makes no sense to pay for more that I am not watching at that time).

I also have a Vudu/Fandango account where I've redeemed many digital copies that come with my physical discs. I do not prefer it over the quality of discs by any means, but it is a nice convenient bonus. I don't count on it as my main long term main source for watching these movies, and wouldn't even IF the quality were on par with disc options (which it is not) simply because the content can be edited or taken away at any time.

But it has still come in handy at times. When I was visiting family during the holidays, I signed into my vudu account on their smart TV and I had a custom list of Christmas movies that were there and convenient to watch. They played just fine in terms of the quality that Vudu/Fandango offers (which was fine, but still not equal to the disc counterparts), and guess what - we didn't need "Fiber™!!!" to get the full quality that the service had to offer... because the files are NOT so big that they require the speed of "Fiber™!!!" to be able to watch them.


Again, the issue is not someone simply disagreeing. But when someone (such as yourself) keeps pushing lies, falsehoods, and gross misconceptions - that is when we take issue with it.

[Vilya]

Originally Posted by alchav21

Anybody that disagrees with you guys is a Troll

If you want to push this issue perhaps it is time to invite the moderators to review your recent posts and see what they think of your behavior.

[BluBonnet]

Originally Posted by mwynn

Of course. Yet Blu-Ray eliminated HD dvd because of mass acceptance.

One cannot underestimate the power of mass acceptance, that is true.

At the same time, sometimes a niche market can be pretty profitable on its own right.

There is enough room for both mass consumer stuff and some niche stuff to coexist in many situations.

[mwynn]

Originally Posted by BluBonnet

One cannot underestimate the power of mass acceptance, that is true.

At the same time, sometimes a niche market can be pretty profitable on its own right.

There is enough room for both mass consumer stuff and some niche stuff to coexist in many situations.

Right, yet there has to be a market leader. There are some game publishers still making NES games.

[BluBonnet]

Originally Posted by mwynn

Right, yet there has to be a market leader. There are some game publishers still making NES games.

A market leader can be one of the more desirable outcomes. Someone having a monopoly or a near-monopoly in a given market is obviously bad for the consumers.

[mwynn]

Originally Posted by BluBonnet

A market leader can be one of the more desirable outcomes. Someone having a monopoly or a near-monopoly in a given market is obviously bad for the consumers.

Correct, yet if you take a look most products roll up to around 5-8 companies.

[Wendell R. Breland]

May have to triple dip on the flowing, High-Def Digest review here.

[gotmule]

Originally Posted by sapiendut

I’m kinda come and go. I have to have blood transfusion and iron infusion once a week. My arms are full of track marks as if I’m a druggie. But unfortunately that’s all they can do until they find matching bone marrow. Which according to them will take 3-5 years and still no guarantee that it will help me.

Very sorry you are faced with this. Hope they find a match sooner than later.

[stonesfan129]

Originally Posted by Dynamo of Eternia

What They Don’t Want You to Know About Streaming… - YouTube

Cannot watch the video because apparently YouTube figured out how to stop UBlock Origin again... Anyway, streaming always seemed like a great value for people who did not already have a collection built up. Same with music. The problem with movies and TV is everything is broken up so much across different services. If they had one or two services that were like $20 or something (just for an example), that would be more successful imo. These days I can't see the point of paying for streaming when you have Tubi, Freevee, PlutoTV, Kanopy... There's plenty of content there to watch if I can't find a Blu-ray to watch.

[BluBonnet]

Originally Posted by Wendell R. Breland

May have to triple dip on the flowing, High-Def Digest review here.

I can't wait to get my copy!

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by Ender14

That's why I stopped feeding the troll. Might as well explain it to your wall. The result is the same.

Originally Posted by Dynamo of Eternia

Actually explaining it to a wall might be more productive. At least the wall can't talk back and keep repeating nonsense.

Hope I don’t have a nightmare where my wall keeps shouting “it’s all digital”.

[gotmule]

Originally Posted by mwynn

Right, yet there has to be a market leader. There are some game publishers still making NES games.

McDonald’s sells more hamburgers in the world, so would be considered a market leader. I can’t tell you the last time I stepped foot in one however, or had a desire to go eat one though.