Physical & Digital EST: The Future of Home Video Discussion Thread

[mwynn]

Originally Posted by gotmule

McDonald’s sells more hamburgers in the world, so would be considered a market leader. I can’t tell you the last time I stepped foot in one however, or had a desire to go eat one though.

Yes but your lack of desire has not stopped them from being at the top of the market.

[Steedeel]

Cue the discussion switching to Marvel/Disney in 5,4,3,2,1……….

[sapiendut]

Originally Posted by Vilya

Weekly infusions are really rough. There is no time for your arms to heal between treatments. I am so sorry that you have to go through all of this.

3 to 5 years seems like forever when you need something so important. I certainly hope that when a match is finally found that it benefits you. I also hope that you are able to have a decent quality of life despite all of the many hardships that you have to endure. I won't forget about you.

It is quite annoying. My days are essentially cut in half. I wake up at 7am and by noon I’m out of energy and have to have 2-3 hours nap before continuing my days again.

I can work through the day, of course, but that’s pushing it.

[Ender14]

Originally Posted by sapiendut

It is quite annoying. My days are essentially cut in half. I wake up at 7am and by noon I’m out of energy and have to have 2-3 hours nap before continuing my days again.

I can work through the day, of course, but that’s pushing it.

Sorry for what you're going through. I hope your wait isn't as long as anticipated.

[Dynamo of Eternia]

Originally Posted by mwynn

Yes but your lack of desire has not stopped them from being at the top of the market.

True, but as nice as it is to be top of the market, it isn't always necessary to be successful and profitable.

Heck, we are all here on Blu-Ray.com. Next year the Blu-Ray format will be 20 years old (and DVD will be 30).

I would say that Blu-Ray has been a rather successful format. But in terms of physical media for movies, DVD has been the market leader and still remains as such today. Yes, overall sale of physical media have declined over the years, but DVD still outsells the rest.

And the 4K disc format has generally sold less than regular Blu-Ray, but itself will be 10 years old next year.

It's one thing to lose like Betamax and HD-DVD, but these other formats have co-existed just fine.

McDonalds may be the fast food market leader and many people obviously eat there. But there are plenty of other options that are still doing well in their own right and continuing to be successful, even if not at the same level as McDonalds.

It's not like if I pull into a Wendy's or White Castle (the latter of which is more regional and not even in all of the states in the USA), I am going to go, "I can't eat here! This isn't the market leader!" I'm going to enjoy what I enjoy.


Now, it's no secret that physical media's sales continue to decline. Many retail stores have stopped carrying it. It is becoming a more niche product. And I'd be lying if I said I wasn't a little bit worried about it's future. But as long as the studios (whether it be by themselves directly, or by licensing out their titles to other distributors) continue to allow their films to be released on it, it can still survive and serve the niche audience.

And when it comes to comparing physical media's numbers to streaming, all of streaming tends to get lumped together as one big "thing". But it is splintered through many various services of varying levels of success.

They are of course generally doing bigger numbers than physical media. But many of these studio-specific services that have cropped up in the last few years either haven't been profitable, or have had to do a lot of things (cutting down production budgets and the amount of original content they make, removing under performing content - or outright canceling unreleased content and taking tax write offs on it, raising prices, creating ad-supported tiers, etc.) to try to get there.

And even some of those claiming they are profitable now likely comes with selective reasoning behind that. They might be profitable within the context of the money spent vs money earned during the current fiscal year, but relative to the amount of money they dumped into the service from the beginning to now, relative to the amount of money they've earned from it from launch until now, may not necessarily paint the same picture.


Obviously Netflix is highly profitable. And odds are at least some of those studio specific ones have managed to become profitable (even with respect to everything spent since the beginning), but they certainly had to make a lot of compromises to get there. And what customers are now getting from many of these services is not what they were originally touted to be.

[Gotho(redux)]

Originally Posted by sapiendut

I’m kinda come and go. I have to have blood transfusion and iron infusion once a week. My arms are full of track marks as if I’m a druggie. But unfortunately that’s all they can do until they find matching bone marrow. Which according to them will take 3-5 years and still no guarantee that it will help me.

That sounds brutal and I'm sorry you're having to go through this. God bless you as well. As I told Vilya, stay strong and take care.

[mwynn]

Originally Posted by Dynamo of Eternia

True, but as nice as it is to be top of the market, it isn't always necessary to be successful and profitable.

Heck, we are all here on Blu-Ray.com. Next year the Blu-Ray format will be 20 years old (and DVD will be 30).

I would say that Blu-Ray has been a rather successful format. But in terms of physical media for movies, DVD has been the market leader and still remains as such today. Yes, overall sale of physical media have declined over the years, but DVD still outsells the rest.

And the 4K disc format has generally sold less than regular Blu-Ray, but itself will be 10 years old next year.

It's one thing to lose like Betamax and HD-DVD, but these other formats have co-existed just fine.

McDonalds may be the fast food market leader and many people obviously eat there. But there are plenty of other options that are still doing well in their own right and continuing to be successful, even if not at the same level as McDonalds.

It's not like if I pull into a Wendy's or White Castle (the latter of which is more regional and not even in all of the states in the USA), I am going to go, "I can't eat here! This isn't the market leader!" I'm going to enjoy what I enjoy.


Now, it's no secret that physical media's sales continue to decline. Many retail stores have stopped carrying it. It is becoming a more niche product. And I'd be lying if I said I wasn't a little bit worried about it's future. But as long as the studios (whether it be by themselves directly, or by licensing out their titles to other distributors) continue to allow their films to be released on it, it can still survive and serve the niche audience.

And when it comes to comparing physical media's numbers to streaming, all of streaming tends to get lumped together as one big "thing". But it is splintered through many various services of varying levels of success.

They are of course generally doing bigger numbers than physical media. But many of these studio-specific services that have cropped up in the last few years either haven't been profitable, or have had to do a lot of things (cutting down production budgets and the amount of original content they make, removing under performing content - or outright canceling unreleased content and taking tax write offs on it, raising prices, creating ad-supported tiers, etc.) to try to get there.

And even some of those claiming they are profitable now likely comes with selective reasoning behind that. They might be profitable within the context of the money spent vs money earned during the current fiscal year, but relative to the amount of money they dumped into the service from the beginning to now, relative to the amount of money they've earned from it from launch until now, may not necessarily paint the same picture.


Obviously Netflix is highly profitable. And odds are at least some of those studio specific ones have managed to become profitable (even with respect to everything spent since the beginning), but they certainly had to make a lot of compromises to get there. And what customers are now getting from many of these services is not what they were originally touted to be.

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All business have a startup rough patch. Try looking up profitability for bars and restaurants. Yet none of this matters to the consumer. It will always be a combination of Price, Fast and Easy.
McDonalds is probably more expensive than buying the ingredients yet it is fast and easy.

[Vilya]

Originally Posted by gotmule

McDonald’s sells more hamburgers in the world, so would be considered a market leader. I can’t tell you the last time I stepped foot in one however, or had a desire to go eat one though.

I still like their fries and fountain Coke, but that's about it. Their fountain Coke is somehow slightly different than anyone else's. I can't describe the difference, but it's there.

[Vilya]

Originally Posted by sapiendut

It is quite annoying. My days are essentially cut in half. I wake up at 7am and by noon I’m out of energy and have to have 2-3 hours nap before continuing my days again.

I can work through the day, of course, but that’s pushing it.

I have to take daily naps, too, and even when awake everything takes at least twice as long to do.

You and I could definitely swap medical war stories. Thursday will be my 40th appt. so far this year; you're probably right up there with me.

All I can advise is that you persevere and take care of yourself as best you can, so that when that match is found it has the best possible chance of success.

[sapiendut]

Originally Posted by Vilya

I still like their fries and fountain Coke, but that's about it. Their fountain Coke is somehow slightly different than anyone else's. I can't describe the difference, but it's there.

The fountain drink from McD is pre-chilled so when you add the drink to ice, it becomes super cold. I experimented with Coke at home. I chilled the Coke down to 0 Celcius (but not to frozen state) and put my mug in the freezer for the whole day. Dayummm. It tastes rather similar to Coke from McD.

[Dynamo of Eternia]

Originally Posted by Vilya

I still like their fries and fountain Coke, but that's about it. Their fountain Coke is somehow slightly different than anyone else's. I can't describe the difference, but it's there.

There is actually a reason for that!

Why Coke at McDonald's Tastes Different - YouTube

[BluBonnet]

Originally Posted by mwynn

All business have a startup rough patch. Try looking up profitability for bars and restaurants. Yet none of this matters to the consumer. It will always be a combination of Price, Fast and Easy.
McDonalds is probably more expensive than buying the ingredients yet it is fast and easy.

If you're a big enough business, you don't mind burning up a bit of start-up money in the beginning just so that you can gain a bigger market share.

[crutzulee]

With my penchant for believing that none of the things we talk about are going to matter soon, I've been finding less and less time for this hobby and concentrating on more day to day "bucket list" things LOL...

I always love popping in to this thread every once in awhile though as the eclectic tangents it takes always puts a smile on my face... In Toronto, we are really spoiled for choice when it comes to gourmet burger joints. I don't remember last time I had BIG MAC...but you lot have inspired me!

Neither of my adult children has ever even had a carbonated beverage in their lives. My son is out... but today.. I'm "treating" my daughter to McDonalds for lunch..LOL

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by crutzulee

With my penchant for believing that none of the things we talk about are going to matter soon, I've been finding less and less time for this hobby and concentrating on more day to day "bucket list" things LOL...

I always love popping in to this thread every once in awhile though as the eclectic tangents it takes always puts a smile on my face... In Toronto, we are really spoiled for choice when it comes to gourmet burger joints. I don't remember last time I had BIG MAC...but you lot have inspired me!

Neither of my adult children has ever even had a carbonated beverage in their lives. My son is out... but today.. I'm "treating" my daughter to McDonalds for lunch..LOL

It will make you ill thinking that way. We got through 2024 after all!

[crutzulee]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

It will make you ill thinking that way. We got through 2024 after all!

Honestly...quite the opposite!

I'm just sitting here in my backyard, putting the final touches on my upcoming vacation - emailing AIRBNB hosts, booking tours etc... after last year's great experience, my natural inclination would have been to space out too good of a thing...but we're just going to go for it and enjoy the things we can while we can...

Of course, that doesn't mean I've abandoned the HT alltogether... I just put in a bid on a DENON A1H to potentially go 9.4.6...Having access to the internet wirelessly in one's backyard is both a blessing and a curse LOL... Hopefully the wife will be home soon to distract me from spending more money..LOL

[Ender14]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

It will make you ill thinking that way. We got through 2024 after all!

My signature agrees with Crutzulee.

[mwynn]

Originally Posted by crutzulee

With my penchant for believing that none of the things we talk about are going to matter soon, I've been finding less and less time for this hobby and concentrating on more day to day "bucket list" things LOL...

I always love popping in to this thread every once in awhile though as the eclectic tangents it takes always puts a smile on my face... In Toronto, we are really spoiled for choice when it comes to gourmet burger joints. I don't remember last time I had BIG MAC...but you lot have inspired me!

Neither of my adult children has ever even had a carbonated beverage in their lives. My son is out... but today.. I'm "treating" my daughter to McDonalds for lunch..LOL

I tried shake shack recently, it was decent.

[Vilya]

Some longtime forum member, who is completely unknown to me, sent me a PM asking:

"do you happen to have any extra Disney Movie Club blus available?"

I don't know for certain what they mean by "available", but I would not be surprised if they are looking for free blu-rays- and OOP ones at that. They did apologize for sending a "random message", but seeing as they sent it, anyway, the apology rings hollow.

For the record I do not sell my blu-rays nor do I just give them away for the asking.

Anyone else getting similar PMs?

[Vilya]

I hope that everything went well for Anthony P's dad today.

[Ender14]

Originally Posted by Vilya

Some longtime forum member, who is completely unknown to me, sent me a PM asking:

"do you happen to have any extra Disney Movie Club blus available?"

I don't know for certain what they mean by "available", but I would not be surprised if they are looking for free blu-rays- and OOP ones at that. They did apologize for sending a "random message", but seeing as they sent it, anyway, the apology rings hollow.

For the record I do not sell my blu-rays nor do I just give them away for the asking.

Anyone else getting similar PMs?

Haven't gotten a PM but I know someone was asking the same thing in the Disney Movie Club thread. Probably the same person.