The Official Energy Speakers Thread

[callas01]

Originally Posted by cxr369

New situation, I know have the opportunity to take back my Pioneer Elite VSX33 that I purchased for 610 from BB and get the Pioneer Elite SC 37 for $1275. So for an extra $665 is it better to get the SC 37 or still go with the outlaw. The SC 37 has been tested to do 125 watts continuous while driving 7 channels. It's rated 140x 7 at 8 ohms.

do yourself a favor, and PM Aces High, He had that same receiver, just the SC07, and Im sure he could give you a better answer then I could.

[Clippins]

Originally Posted by callas01

yeah, its easier to listen to orchestra when they are songs you are familiar with and from movies you really like and grew up with.

If I were you, I would go ahead and just run Audyssey and then later run it again in a month or so. You can always go source direct and turn off Dynamic EQ. But that way your speakers will be setup so they are recognized as just a 2.0 setup, the distance set, phase aligned, setup for imaging, etc.

Ran Audeyssey today and hit the 50 hour mark on the break in. Decided I just couldn't take it any more and splurged and turned the volume up to -12. Ahh much better. I could feel the bass and the sound was clear. Can't wait to get the rest of the speaker. The fronts sound like they could be even that much better if they didn't need to power the dialogue so I want to get that cc10 first.

[Blu Balls]

I'm thinking about getting the 2 Outlaw monoblocks since the Emotiva won't fit in my stand but, now I am wondering if I should upgrade to the CF70's as I've heard that they have better bass then my CF50's. I know if I see them go on sale again for $400 or $500 a pair, I would be very tempted to grab a pair.

[callas01]

Originally Posted by Blu Balls

I'm thinking about getting the 2 Outlaw monoblocks since the Emotiva won't fit in my stand but, now I am wondering if I should upgrade to the CF70's as I've heard that they have better bass then my CF50's. I know if I see them go on sale again for $400 or $500 a pair, I would be very tempted to grab a pair.

The 70s will offer better bass, and give you a bigger more powerful soundstage. However I think that the 50s with dual subs would be about as good, possibly better. I think the Outlaw Mini Mono's will be great. Like I have said before, they are amps that Im looking into later down the line also.

[callas01]

Originally Posted by Clippins

Ran Audeyssey today and hit the 50 hour mark on the break in. Decided I just couldn't take it any more and splurged and turned the volume up to -12. Ahh much better. I could feel the bass and the sound was clear. Can't wait to get the rest of the speaker. The fronts sound like they could be even that much better if they didn't need to power the dialogue so I want to get that cc10 first.

awesome. You have a great start to a great setup. Congrats.

[Blu Balls]

Originally Posted by callas01

The 70s will offer better bass, and give you a bigger more powerful soundstage. However I think that the 50s with dual subs would be about as good, possibly better. I think the Outlaw Mini Mono's will be great. Like I have said before, they are amps that Im looking into later down the line also.

No room for a 2nd sub right now. How about I get the CF70's and the 2 outlaw 2200 M-Blocks and when I finish my theatre room, I get a 2nd sub and use the CF50's as my rear speakers?

[callas01]

Originally Posted by Blu Balls

No room for a 2nd sub right now. How about I get the CF70's and the 2 outlaw 2200 M-Blocks and when I finish my theatre room, I get a 2nd sub and use the CF50's as my rear speakers?

Thatd be great also. If you sell the CF50s tho, buy the CB20s, surrounds are getting good action now in some movies, so you'll want to have a speaker that can push the bass limits.

[donaldsonjune]

hello all,

im thinking about getting some bi-wires for the 2-channel system. right not everything wonderful, will the bi-wires make a difference. currently i'm running the wires thur both sets of post.

[callas01]

Originally Posted by donaldsonjune

hello all,

im thinking about getting some bi-wires for the 2-channel system. right not everything wonderful, will the bi-wires make a difference. currently i'm running the wires thur both sets of post.

nope, bi-wiring doesn't do anything except look cool.

[BigAl87]

Originally Posted by callas01

nope, bi-wiring doesn't do anything except look cool.

+1

Dynaudio don't even have a second set of binding post, Totem was not even bi-wiring their Tribe V at the show they used singled wired tress like mine, actually good cables can make a bigger difference than bi-wiring.

[donaldsonjune]

big al,

any seggestions on good cables? the below standard walmart inner-connections. phillips is the brand.

[HAMP]

Originally Posted by BigAl87

+1

Dynaudio don't even have a second set of binding post, Totem was not even bi-wiring their Tribe V at the show they used singled wired tress like mine, actually good cables can make a bigger difference than bi-wiring.

I'm not sure what that has to do with anything, but bi-amping does make a difference.

[donaldsonjune]

big al,

i found a deal on a pair of "MIT MI-300 PLUS" inner-connections. what do think?

[BigAl87]

Originally Posted by HAMP

I'm not sure what that has to do with anything, but bi-amping does make a difference.

Look it depends if you are using active or passive bi-amping and also on the quality of the build in x-over in the speaker, for many speakers with great x-over it's been proven that there is no real benifit to passive bi-amping.

Now it may make a difference with some speakers but again if the x-over is well designed the overall SQ should not change.

[HAMP]

Originally Posted by BigAl87

Look it depends if you are using active or passive bi-amping and also on the qulity of the build in x-over in the speaker, for many speakers with great x-over it's been proven that there is no real benifit to passive bi-amping.

So your saying it does make a difference with active bi-amping?

[BigAl87]

Originally Posted by HAMP

So your saying it does make a difference with active bi-amping?

Sure active bi-amping wil give some serious advantages.

You can read this here on bi-amping, bi-wiring is an etremely minor gain. The guy is all in for bi-amping but passive bi-amping gives almost no gain and is a waste of money according to him and not only him.


Look at the most common questions about bi-amping and also look at the bi-wiring fatcts and Myths

http://sound.westhost.com/bi-amp.htm



Back at the OP's case no bi-wiring will not make the speakers sound better unless he's using 18 gage clear copper cables then I would say yes.

[HAMP]

Originally Posted by HAMP

I'm not sure what that has to do with anything, but bi-amping does make a difference.

Originally Posted by BigAl87

Sure active bi-amping wil give some serious advantages.

so you agree with my first statement?

[BigAl87]

Originally Posted by HAMP

so you agree with my first statement?

lol yes but a great amp on Dyn speaker makes them sound awesome i would be curious to see if active bi-amping would make them sound better honestly. Have you ever heard the C1 Signature?

Trust me they don.t need bi-amping of any sort with the right amp and as I said their x-over are usually state of the art, they are known for building some of the best x-overs.

I am not arguing with you I just say it depends on the situation.


They say active bi-amping should improve sound of almost any loudspeakers, as I said Dynaudio is one of the exceptions.

[HAMP]

Originally Posted by BigAl87

lol yes but a great amp on Dyn speaker makes them sound awesome i would be curious to see if active bi-amping would make them sound better honestly. Have you ever heard the C1 Signature?

Trust me they don.t need bi-amping of any sort with the right amp and as I said their x-over are usually state of the art, they are known for building some of the best x-overs.

I am not arguing with you I just say it depends on the situation.

agree 100%

[BigAl87]

Originally Posted by HAMP

agree 100%

So hamp you have active bi-amping in your setup with high and low pass filters befor your amps?



BTW I heard the MA Platinum Series at the show in Montreal and it's one hell of a speaker.