Custom Cover Art Thread

[Ray_Rogers]

Originally Posted by Rusty100

posters by olly moss

Not the correct Blu-ray logo or studio placement on the spine.
Not all studios are Warner Bros.

[Rusty100]

Originally Posted by Ray_Rogers

Not the correct Blu-ray logo or studio placement on the spine.
Not all studios are Warner Bros.

it's not meant to be 'correct', they are custom covers and that's what they are like on all of my customs.
kind of sucks that you thumb me down and give me a rolleyes just because of the way i choose to place things on the spine.

[tubus]

Originally Posted by Rusty100

posters by olly moss

Wow. The Covers looking awesome! Great work.

[aggienader08]

Originally Posted by Rusty100

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posters by olly moss

Since the posters by olly moss have a sorta cream/white background, you could make the spines and back match. Also, is there a back to the cover you wish to show, or are you simply showing the amazing artwork created by olly moss implemented into your cover (and seem to be soaking in the credit for it)? It'd be cool to have a back to the cover created by the "cover artist".

That way you could say:

posters by olly moss
back by Rusty100

Those are really sweet posters BTW! olly moss is a terrific artist. Also, to answer your question which is sure to follow: no, using other peoples artwork for our covers isn't what we all do. A lot of us use studio stock photos and think of creative ways of implementing them into our covers. If you're going to borrow creative artwork from other people, whether you have permission or not, I think they deserve a little bit more credit than just saying at the bottom of a post:

posters by __fill in the blank__

Sorry, but I'm really adamant about giving people the credit they deserve.

[WorkShed]

Originally Posted by aggienader08

Sorry, but I'm really adamant about giving people the credit they deserve.

Honestly, who here mentions the photographer of the production shots that are used or the original artists if they use the original poster art? NOBODY.

I'm not trying to make a big thing of it, but realize that by mentioning Olly's name is giving him the credit for the cover art. I saw those posters and I like them, but to criticize the person who put them onto a Blu-ray template is a little uncalled for.



edit: I'm not saying that you are being overtly mean, aggienader, but I find taking these Star Wars covers to task, without going after anyone else who uses poster art not of their own design, a little hypocritical.

[aggienader08]

Originally Posted by WorkShed

Honestly, who here mentions the photographer of the production shots that are used or the original artists if they use the original poster art? NOBODY.

I'm not trying to make a big thing of it, but realize that by mentioning Olly's name is giving him the credit for the cover art. I saw those posters and I like them, but to criticize the person who put them onto a Blu-ray template is a little uncalled for.



edit: I'm not saying that you are being overtly mean, aggienader, but I find taking these Star Wars covers to task, without going after anyone else who uses poster art not of their own design, a little hypocritical.

Oh no! It's definitely "called for". You do credit studios every time, with a studio logo. Dave Matthews doesn't say "I'd like to thank Taylor for making me this wonderful guitar!" after each concert, when it's printed on the guitar. My point is that those posters are genuine pieces of artwork created by someone else, from scratch, not using photo manipulation. Chances are very likely Olly was creating them to implement into a cover of his own. If Rusty downloaded them from a cover site where Olly is a contributor, then that's fantastic! But he deserves more credit, and no one on this thread can deny him that.

It's not hypocritical at all, because Olly doesn't have a logo you can use with the posters he's created to accredit him. All he has is the trust that Rusty, or whoever else downloads them, will give him the credit he's very much deserved.

Slapping his posters on the front of Imandix Cover Pro and adding a spine with title treatments does not do him justice. Not in the slightest. There's no way you can argue with that.

I'm not trying to bate anybody or egg Rusty on. I just want to see what he can do with it. Create a back for the cover. Otherwise, it's not yours to take any credit for.

[frightism]

Originally Posted by Rusty100

also did a monsters cover

Hey Rusty, I have a question.
How do you get your covers in those blu-ray cases?
Do you IMANDIX or what??

[bpmford]

I'm with ag on this one...

On a few occasions I have used artwork done by other artists as fan art, and in all instances I have made a point on my cover of making sure all know who did that work. I feel original artists deserve to at least get fair credit if their work is being used by myself, or anyone else for that matter. I also make a point of contacting that artist prior to releasing my cover so I know they are ok with me using their work. I know I would want the same, so i do the most I can.

Thanks ag for pointing it out!

P.S.: Whoever it was that mentioned the spelling error on my Lion King cover, thanks a ton, I have now fixed it and it should show different in the previews here.

[aggienader08]

Originally Posted by Imrahil2001

Who cares if it "does him justice"? This isn't about honoring artists, it's about making a neat custom cover for a BD. Get over yourself.

I expected that from you. Integrity, you have none.

[RyRyMcNizzy13]

see IMO rusty mainly does customs just for himself and does the way he wants to do it. why doesnt he have a back? well my guess is because the movies arent exactly out yet so my guess he's waiting on the back. he gave the the guys artwork there credit by saying who they are from and since he's making these for himself i dont see why he'd have to credit him on the actual coverart just so he can remind himself every day where it came from, i'm sure he knows. and it isnt like he's producing these and making any profit off it whatsoever so the fact he even gave him the credit at the bottom is a nice classy touch to show where he got these from. i guess people on here though are just pretty anal about some things, i myself am not.

i can also see if he put "Rusty's Artwork" on the actual cover, then youd have an argument but he didnt

[aggienader08]

Originally Posted by Imrahil2001

...do I even know you?

You want to "honor" the artist? Buy his prints. But don't give me this sanctimonious crap about "well, I put their NAME on it!" as if that somehow makes you better.

Like I said, you have no integrity. I don't have to know you to know that. Just look at what you're saying now.

Plus, I never said putting their name on it gives them credit. You're missing the entire point.

Read my post, unless you want to keep showing everyone how low you can go.

Putting some other dudes work of art, from the ground up, on an Imandix cover and adding a spine does not make it your cover. I'm sorry.

[ZoetMB]

Originally Posted by tkdkid717

I actualy just had to say sign a release form at kinkos stating that I was the designer of the cover I just printed. Why are they so anal about copyright?

Because some years ago, they got sued big time and lost. When Kinko's first started in business, they were mostly on college campuses and their primary business was college professors who would create a course by picking different chapters from different textbooks. Kinko's would copy these and students would have to buy them and the original book publishers and authors were not getting compensated.

Kinko's got sued and lost the case. As a result, the Copyright Clearance Center was set up to manage those types of payments and Kinko's had to adopt a policy of making best efforts to insure they weren't copying copyrighted works outside of what constitutes fair use.

[WorkShed]

Originally Posted by Imrahil2001

Is there an "ignore" feature on this forum?

+1

Again, no one said anything about my point of giving credit to the photographers of promotional materials or the customs that used art from other poster artists. I never ever see anyone give credit to Struzan's work or any other artists of Star Wars. Making sure that his signature is uncovered by a logo does not give credit.

You even said putting their name on the cover doesn't give them credit. So... what does? What is the point of this? And stop attacking people's "integrity" like it is a valid argument. Keep your name-calling out of this issue.

I'm not saying that it would be right for someone to offer high res versions of the Olly posters for anyone to print their own posters and not pay the $50 they are going for. That is wrong. However, going on the attack for someone to put poster artwork on their own custom cover in a low res image is also not right.

A lot of the custom cover artists borrow heavily from already completed work. I'm not saying that it isn't hard work, especially when making a strong image without using any original poster artwork and using screenshots and publicity stills... but they didn't take the photos themselves. They don't attribute those images to the original artists.

I'll admit that there wasn't much done to the front cover that differentiates it from the actual poster, but A LOT of the Star Wars covers almost directly use existing poster art without many changes. Everybody loves those but suddenly there's a crusade against this guy for utilizing a newly-created poster for these classic films. Where's the sense?

[aggienader08]

Originally Posted by Imrahil2001

Who cares if it "does him justice"? This isn't about honoring artists, it's about making a neat custom cover for a BD. Get over yourself.

This is lack of integrity.

Originally Posted by WorkShed

However, going on the attack for someone to put poster artwork on their own custom cover in a low res image is also not right.

...but suddenly there's a crusade against this guy for utilizing a newly-created poster for these classic films. Where's the sense?

Look, I'm not trying to start a "crusade" here. These posters are amazing work. Olly has done a fantastic job on them. I would like nothing more than to see Rusty utilize them in the best way he possibly can. But it rubs me the wrong way when they're posted on a case with a spine added by some other dude and credit is given with little to no effort whatsoever. Rather than saying "great job!" or "those look great" like others in the thread seeing those covers under Rusty's name. I'd rather say "let's see what you can do with them".

I know most of you guys don't know how it works on the custom cover sites, but on some, each member receives credits based on their contribution. The only way to download hi res artwork is to pm, or post a "thank you" in the thread in order to download the cover, that way the artist knows who has their work. To a lot of artists, seeing their artwork other places different from where they originated really puts them in cahoots, especially when they're not accredited. About a year ago dv8, bpmford, craig and several of us had our covers from this site posted on sites we didn't want them on by one individual who shall not be named in this thread. He sopped up all the credits for each one of our covers and never accredited us for our work for the covers, at all. Now it was our own fault to place that much trust in users of a free thread, but still incredibly aggravating given that we were members of the sites he posted them on.

I have to admit that since then I've been really gun ho about giving credit where credit is due. Now, I've been openly criticized in this thread for not being able to take criticism, and I'm sorry if I've offended anyone, especially Rusty. I didn't mean to discredit you the way I did (nor embarrass you if I did). I don't have a grudge, I just want to see more. Can you accept that criticism?

[Ray_Rogers]

Originally Posted by Rusty100

it's not meant to be 'correct', they are custom covers and that's what they are like on all of my customs.
kind of sucks that you thumb me down and give me a rolleyes just because of the way i choose to place things on the spine.

If you're going to do customs, why be lazy and have it one certain way for all of your covers instead of emulating the particular studio design? What, it's too difficult to keep track of all the various layouts of each studios template?
You sir, are the definition for Mr. Lazypants.

[aggienader08]

Boy you're really stretching your argument now. My previous post was highly relevant to the argument.

BTW, I designed the logo in my Avatar. Built it from scratch on Ai. Did I use the aTm logo? Why of course. I'm an alumnus. Proud of it. Not that it's even relevant because you seem to have lost sight of the argument a few posts ago anyway.

I have nothing left to say to you. I wasn't apologizing to you anyway, and never will for that matter.

[Ray_Rogers]

Originally Posted by Imrahil2001

Why don't you make your own customs instead of trying to make other people do it the way you want and then insulting them when they don't?

Just because you want it to look like a studio clone doesn't mean other people do, and we're not here as a service for you.

ALL of the various paysites for custom covers would like to disagree with you. You buy credits, you're a dumbass for being manilpulated.

[dv8pdx]

OK OK OK! Aggie, I see your point, but we as artists are walking a gray line anyway by ANYTHING we use on a cover. Rusty, you did address the artist so I see nothing wrong with your first stage "front covers" - listen we all do it, nobody can deny it, there is not one cover I've seen on here that doesn't use something that belongs to someone else, studio or artist. My only issue of any of this is if someone used a custom cover element on their own without asking. Rusty showed us how those posters would look as a blu-ray cover. In all actuality that is exactly how the original cover art forum here started what we have today, using posters to make front covers during the blu-ray/HD-DVD war of our dream movies. So lets leave that fact that this is a custom cover thread of peoples free time hobby work. You either like what they've done or you don't, since no one here is making special order covers, just politely comment, give pointers or give raves. Some artists make covers 100% to studio specs, some add their own touch, but thats the ACTUAL entertainment value of this forum, to see what someone can do with a cover. Don't like the cover, move on, it wasn't made for you. If you do like it, the artist will take honor in that and usually share it with you.

NOW, lets drop this and get back to seeing more great covers! Its starting to get messy in here. Has anyone seen my blue crayon?

[SwissyJim]

here's a strange request...

anyone willing to send me a photoshop file with all the layers and placement of images, data and text still intact?

I'm not that creative, but I'm working on a home movie for sending to family and thought it would be fun to send it with a custom cover! I can then replace the images with my own, the text, and so on. No commercial use, no sharing, etc... just printing copies to send to family once I'm modified it. I have tried a couple of times but they just look really cheesy and fake (I suck with photoshop). Nothing NEAR the quality I see here.

Just asking... if that's taboo or too much to ask then my apologies and I'll keep trying of just print a photo on the cover and call it good.

edit: wow, just read the last few pages and sorry for asking this... forget I asked!

[Rusty100]

Originally Posted by aggienader08

Oh no! It's definitely "called for". You do credit studios every time, with a studio logo. Dave Matthews doesn't say "I'd like to thank Taylor for making me this wonderful guitar!" after each concert, when it's printed on the guitar. My point is that those posters are genuine pieces of artwork created by someone else, from scratch, not using photo manipulation. Chances are very likely Olly was creating them to implement into a cover of his own. If Rusty downloaded them from a cover site where Olly is a contributor, then that's fantastic! But he deserves more credit, and no one on this thread can deny him that.

It's not hypocritical at all, because Olly doesn't have a logo you can use with the posters he's created to accredit him. All he has is the trust that Rusty, or whoever else downloads them, will give him the credit he's very much deserved.

Slapping his posters on the front of Imandix Cover Pro and adding a spine with title treatments does not do him justice. Not in the slightest. There's no way you can argue with that.

I'm not trying to bate anybody or egg Rusty on. I just want to see what he can do with it. Create a back for the cover. Otherwise, it's not yours to take any credit for.

How exactly do I give him more credit? I said they were created by him in my post. What am I supposed to do, praise him even more? These posters originally created from scratch by the marvelous and wonderful Olly Moss! All praise to be!
I don't get what more you want. You said you don't mind using other's art as long as they're credited, and he was credited. I don't understand how else I need to do it. I haven't even made a back yet, so as of yet ALL the credit goes to him and none to me.
I don't get you dude you're havin a good old nerd rage for the sake of a nerd rage.

Originally Posted by aggienader08

Like I said, you have no integrity. I don't have to know you to know that. Just look at what you're saying now.

Plus, I never said putting their name on it gives them credit. You're missing the entire point.

Read my post, unless you want to keep showing everyone how low you can go.

Putting some other dudes work of art, from the ground up, on an Imandix cover and adding a spine does not make it your cover. I'm sorry.

(it's not an imandix cover, that blu-ray case is actually my very own work of vector art, created even from a photo that i took)

Originally Posted by aggienader08

This is lack of integrity.



Look, I'm not trying to start a "crusade" here. These posters are amazing work. Olly has done a fantastic job on them. I would like nothing more than to see Rusty utilize them in the best way he possibly can. But it rubs me the wrong way when they're posted on a case with a spine added by some other dude and credit is given with little to no effort whatsoever. Rather than saying "great job!" or "those look great" like others in the thread seeing those covers under Rusty's name. I'd rather say "let's see what you can do with them".

I know most of you guys don't know how it works on the custom cover sites, but on some, each member receives credits based on their contribution. The only way to download hi res artwork is to pm, or post a "thank you" in the thread in order to download the cover, that way the artist knows who has their work. To a lot of artists, seeing their artwork other places different from where they originated really puts them in cahoots, especially when they're not accredited. About a year ago dv8, bpmford, craig and several of us had our covers from this site posted on sites we didn't want them on by one individual who shall not be named in this thread. He sopped up all the credits for each one of our covers and never accredited us for our work for the covers, at all. Now it was our own fault to place that much trust in users of a free thread, but still incredibly aggravating given that we were members of the sites he posted them on.

I have to admit that since then I've been really gun ho about giving credit where credit is due. Now, I've been openly criticized in this thread for not being able to take criticism, and I'm sorry if I've offended anyone, especially Rusty. I didn't mean to discredit you the way I did (nor embarrass you if I did). I don't have a grudge, I just want to see more. Can you accept that criticism?

Naturally I can accept critisism, I welcome it. But telling me I "didn't give enough credit" is just kind of confusing and baseless because, other than give credit, I don't know what else is expected of me.

ON A SIMILAR NOTE: Everything I create, I distribute freely, in as high a resolution as possible (original works of art I mean). I don't go on a rampage if other people use my art, if they credit me then that's great. If not I might quote it and say "Hey, thanks for using my art."

But for you to go and speak on every single artists behalf about 'integrity' is just kind of weird. I think you need to rethink yourself there pal.