The Dark Knight Rises (2012)

[Extremis]

Originally Posted by KilloWertz

Yes, they do re-release a lot, but to be fair the exclusives shouldn't count. Almost anything big has retailer exclusives nowadays, and they aren't re-releases. In the case of The Lord of the Rings, releasing them as a collection and then individually makes sense.

And also the cuts are different.

[Abdrewes]

Originally Posted by ryan4butler

Yes. The main sequence everyone had a concern with was the tunnel sequence. On first viewing it didn't bother me, but when looking at if closely it kinda sucked.

(forgot; Were interiors shot with IMAX as well?)

Yeah, I just looked it over shot by shot. To say the geography is incoherent is an understatement.

I read somewhere that Nolan had to cut spaces for those huge things.

[djgcue]

This may have been discussed, but I couldn't find any mention of it.

Anyone else experience weird cuts in scenes? I'll have to go back to get exact times, but one example is where Anne Hathaway is looking at someone's picture in a broken frame in an unknown broken into house. All of a sudden she's talking to her friend about something?

There's also scenes which just end abruptly, you can tell because the music just ends and jumps to some other audio.

Weird editing?

[HeavyHitter]

I watched this last night for the first time and really liked it. I was a big fan of the first two movies and while they still have the edge, this is right up there IMO. It could have been tightened as far as the length of it, but still a good Batman movie and satisfying finish.

As far as the transfer, I thought it was very good. The 35mm were a bit soft and a little murky at times, but looked film-like. Of course, goes without saying, but the IMAX scenes looked phenomenal. The audio was impressive, as well. Definitely some bass!

[Yojimbo68]

Originally Posted by djgcue

This may have been discussed, but I couldn't find any mention of it.

Anyone else experience weird cuts in scenes? I'll have to go back to get exact times, but one example is where Anne Hathaway is looking at someone's picture in a broken frame in an unknown broken into house. All of a sudden she's talking to her friend about something?

There's also scenes which just end abruptly, you can tell because the music just ends and jumps to some other audio.

Weird editing?

It's just odd editing in certain scenes. I've always thought the scene in which Hathaway is being lead into prison and does that flip is an odd piece of business. She obviously breaks that prisoner's wrist but that scene cuts too quickly to the next sequence IMHO. Nolan should have shown a quick insert of the jailed felon in pain nursing his broken wrist.

[Lino11]

I don't appreciate Rickah's attempts to delete/censor my posts. Clearly didn't like the response he got for trying to insult me, which of course, he didn't remove.

Please tell me this is not the way this website is run??

A few mod-happy members who still point fingers at the "newbie". Oh no, ur a newbz. lol. rofl!!!111!1!


I really thought this was a little more sophisticated place.

[Show spoiler]And this thread is different than the Prometheus thread. Of course the material in there is a little more sensitive.

But again, it's just common sense. If you haven't seen the movie yet, you're not reading deep into msg forums. What else would you expect to find other than discussion about the movie.

[Moefiz]

Saw it for the second time last night and I enjoyed it better this time than when I first saw it.

[rickah88]

Originally Posted by Lino11

I don't appreciate Rickah's attempts to delete/censor my posts. Clearly didn't like the response he got for trying to insult me, which of course, he didn't remove.

Please tell me this is not the way this website is run??

A few mod-happy members who still point fingers at the "newbie". Oh no, ur a newbz. lol. rofl!!!111!1!


I really thought this was a little more sophisticated place.

[Show spoiler]And this thread is different than the Prometheus thread. Of course the material in there is a little more sensitive.

But again, it's just common sense. If you haven't seen the movie yet, you're not reading deep into msg forums. What else would you expect to find other than discussion about the movie.

First if you'd stop lashing out at people, you might actually learn how this website(like most others) is run.
I asked you, politely, to use spoiler tags. You decided to, not only NOT use spoiler tags, but defend the reasoning why you SHOULDN'T use them. Most people refer to this as: digging the hole deeper.
Second, I didn't censor your posts...nor did I complain to the Mods as I don't see it as an overly "complainable" offense. More just you being disrespectful of those members(myself at the time) who have not seen this film.
Third, your logic is this: TDKR no need for spoilers / Prometheus thread needs spoilers! Huh?? Why? So you get to determine which thread is spoiler worthy? That's telling!
Fourth, Let me explain this to you again...this is the blu-ray thread! Where you can discuss the merits of the blu-ray RELEASE. There is a movie sub-forum where you can openly debate the movie and it's plot. Now does that always happen, of course not. Do I expect it to happen, no way. Am I asking for 'the world' for you to apply spoiler tags....evidently so.

[Brahby]

Originally Posted by djgcue

This may have been discussed, but I couldn't find any mention of it.

Anyone else experience weird cuts in scenes? I'll have to go back to get exact times, but one example is where Anne Hathaway is looking at someone's picture in a broken frame in an unknown broken into house. All of a sudden she's talking to her friend about something?

There's also scenes which just end abruptly, you can tell because the music just ends and jumps to some other audio.

Weird editing?

[Show spoiler]I think it was right after the first Bane battle it cuts to Blake being at Wayne Manor and knocking on the door and then getting in his car and leaving. It just felt completely out of place like I missed something leading up to or out of it. I mean I get what it was trying to illustrate but it was just so odd. If memory serves me it was an IMAX shot too

[Todd Smith]

Originally Posted by Joshjp

The audio was good, but there was like a hissing sound coming from the rear speakers, anybody else hear it?.

Yes. I distinctly remember this toward the beginning of the film somewhere in one of the quiet moments. Only lasted for maybe 5 seconds or so though and only time I heard it in the entire movie.

[Abdrewes]

Originally Posted by djgcue

This may have been discussed, but I couldn't find any mention of it.

Anyone else experience weird cuts in scenes? I'll have to go back to get exact times, but one example is where Anne Hathaway is looking at someone's picture in a broken frame in an unknown broken into house. All of a sudden she's talking to her friend about something?

There's also scenes which just end abruptly, you can tell because the music just ends and jumps to some other audio.

Weird editing?

That's what I'm talking about, the rushed quality to the filmmaking.

[Zen_Amako]

[Show spoiler]What I find funny is that when Batman's cowl is removed, he should have black make-up around his eyes. But it always magically disappears, like at the end of Batman Returns.

I liked TDKR but I felt the movie was hurt by the constant loud score. It's so overwrought and relentless. When Batman

[Show spoiler]is flying away with the bomb

and the sad singing starts, I almost laughed.

[Abdrewes]

Originally Posted by Zen_Amako

[Show spoiler]What I find funny is that when Batman's cowl is removed, he should have black make-up around his eyes. But it always magically disappears, like at the end of Batman Returns.

I liked TDKR but I felt the movie was hurt by the constant loud score. It's so overwrought and relentless. When Batman

[Show spoiler]is flying away with the bomb

and the sad singing starts, I almost laughed.

Hammer Zimmer is just parodying himself at this point.

[Todd Smith]

Originally Posted by Zen_Amako

[Show spoiler]What I find funny is that when Batman's cowl is removed, he should have black make-up around his eyes. But it always magically disappears, like at the end of Batman Returns.

I liked TDKR but I felt the movie was hurt by the constant loud score. It's so overwrought and relentless. When Batman

[Show spoiler]is flying away with the bomb

and the sad singing starts, I almost laughed.

Some have mentioned how the track feels compressed due to how LOUD everything is mixed which is a legitimate complaint. I personally enjoyed the mix and thought it supported the film very well, but I can also see their point and this is certainly not the most creative or artistic mix around but instead goes for bombast. I watched DK and DKR back to back on Fri night (along with BB before both ) and DK is technically a superior mix to DKR for these reasons.

[King_Spade]

So there's no way of me getting the Bat Cowl version? UGH.....are they going to release more or only way is spending an arm & leg?

[thebard]

I viewed this film first time on blu-ray. Overall I liked it & felt it was a strong - though not perfect - movie, and a good way to round out the trilogy.

One thing that bothered me was the aspect ratio changes. Now, before I get a lot of backlash, let me note that if you check my previous posting history I have come to the defense of framing shifts like this in other movies (to the irritation of those with CIH setups, I'm afraid!). I thought it was used effectively in TDK, Tron and even Brother Bear. The problem is that, in those films, the changes came at key moments where "opening up the screen" made an impact and contributed to the story telling. Examples would be

[Show spoiler]in Tron would be when Sam realized he was on the grid; in TDK, a good one is the frst cut to Hong Kong. Brother bear, obviously when he transforms.

But in TDKR, there are some odd choices. In once instance, we're letterboxed and then the screen opens up to show... Bruce waking up in bed? Is that really a pivitol moment - dramatically or emotionally - in the story? I think Nolan simply used IMAX wherever it was possible and practical, and gave little consideration to how it affected the storytelling. I kind of wish he would just shoot his next film entirely in IMAX and get it over with.

All IMO, of course...

[Yojimbo68]

Originally Posted by thebard

I viewed this film first time on blu-ray. Overall I liked it & felt it was a strong - though not perfect - movie, and a good way to round out the trilogy.

One thing that bothered me was the aspect ratio changes. Now, before I get a lot of backlash, let me note that if you check my previous posting history I have come to the defense of framing shifts like this in other movies (to the irritation of those with CIH setups, I'm afraid!). I thought it was used effectively in TDK, Tron and even Brother Bear. The problem is that, in those films, the changes came at key moments where "opening up the screen" made an impact and contributed to the story telling. Examples would be

[Show spoiler]in Tron would be when Sam realized he was on the grid; in TDK, a good one is the frst cut to Hong Kong. Brother bear, obviously when he transforms.

But in TDKR, there are some odd choices. In once instance, we're letterboxed and then the screen opens up to show... Bruce waking up in bed? Is that really a pivitol moment - dramatically or emotionally - in the story? I think Nolan simply used IMAX wherever it was possible and practical, and gave little consideration to how it affected the storytelling. I kind of wish he would just shoot his next film entirely in IMAX and get it over with.

All IMO, of course...

One could argue that with Alfred now gone, Bruce is truly alone in that big house. Nolan's use of IMAX in that scene could be a visual subtext of that idea.

[srinivas1015]

Watched The Dark Knight Rises for the first time today.

Movie : 3.5/5
Better than The Dark Knight but not as good as Batman Begins. I watched half yesterday (stopped after the first Batman/Bane fight) and finished the other half today. I was never bored but I can't accurately comment on the pacing until I watch it a second time though I doubt it's gonna hold up well. Begins is excellently paced and time flies whenever I watch it. TDK's pacing isn't that great either. The boat sequence in particular is boring after watching the movie once.

Pacing - BB>TDK>>TDKR

I am really disappointed with the score in this film. Zimmer mostly reused stuff from Batman Begins' soundtrack (just like he did with The Dark Knight). People should remember that BB's score was a collaboration of Zimmer and James Newton-Howard. James was the one responsible for the orchestra and the more 'melodic' aspects of the Trilogy's soundtrack and more importantly, the main theme.
I was disappointed with the score the most during these three scenes:
1)The scene where

[Show spoiler]Bruce climbs out of the well

. This scene should have had something other than the chant or the chant should have been used only for this scene. It needed a piece of music unique to this scene and this scene only. By this time in the film, the chant has been used a lot and is no longer 'special'. I also wished there were more references to the 'why do we fall' lesson other than just that 1 second flashback. "Why do we fall" was implemented much more effectively in BB when the manor burns down.
2)The scene where

[Show spoiler]Batman takes off with the bomb

. I was hoping the music to be more melodic/emotional/beautiful. The worst part is when the kids see the Bat and the same old theme kicks in...just like every other appearance of Batman. This whole segment should have been a new piece of music with a mix of sadness and hope (something like The Thin Red Line's soundtrack, which was also composed by Zimmer).

This is the track I'm referring to:

THE THIN RED LINE - Journey to the line - YouTube

This film's soundtrack should have been as epic as that.

3)The scene where Batman

[Show spoiler]appears on the ice

. There was little to no score in this scene and a scene like this should have been chill inducing.




Overall, I liked the movie but it could have been better. The cafe scene was cheesy as hell and could have been executed better. One more thing, I literally laughed at loud at

[Show spoiler]Talia/Miranda Tate

's death scene. That is THE worst acting I have ever seen. And people complain about bad acting in the Star Wars prequels..


Video : 4/5
The 35mm scenes looked overly soft and while the IMAX scenes look better, they still appear to be lacking detail. The photography of this film is just abysmal. Look at The Amazing Spiderman to see how to do dark photography with ambient lighting, still have loads of detail and most importantly, use shadows artistically and effectively; not just dim the entire image to the point where the blacks are crushed . The color timing/color grading of TDK and TDKR is horrid, especially in the daytime sequences.
Atleast there isn't any Edge Enhancement or DNR this time.

Audio - 4/5
Why do people keep calling this the best AQ of 2012? It's the one with the most bass but that is no way to judge the AQ. I've noticed many scenes where the bass is quite simply unkept and borderline boomy. In some of the scenes, the dialogue is mixed way too low and can hardly be heard over the music. The surrounds kick in during the action sequences but atmospherics during non-action scenes are barely existent. The first appearance of The Bat is noteworthy where the bass is like a wave that swoops over you. But the sound design is nothing compared to that of Prometheus or The Amazing Spider-Man.


If I had to rate all three movies (movies, not the AQ) out of 10,
Batman Begins - 9.5/10
The Dark Knight - 7/10
The Dark Knight Rises - 8/10

[Early Memphis]

Originally Posted by King_Spade

So there's no way of me getting the Bat Cowl version? UGH.....are they going to release more or only way is spending an arm & leg?

In time it may come down to only an arm and a foot - but then again, someday it might even require a third appendage.

Originally Posted by Lino11

I don't appreciate Rickah's attempts to delete/censor my posts. Clearly didn't like the response he got for trying to insult me, which of course, he didn't remove. Please tell me this is not the way this website is run??

A few mod-happy members who still point fingers at the "newbie". Oh no, ur a newbz. lol. rofl!!!111!1! I really thought this was a little more sophisticated place.

[Show spoiler]And this thread is different than the Prometheus thread. Of course the material in there is a little more sensitive.
But again, it's just common sense. If you haven't seen the movie yet, you're not reading deep into msg forums. What else would you expect to find other than discussion about the movie.

Oh, please! Okay, so he used a little sarcasm, get over it. As was stated, spoiler tags exist for a reason, use them. Besides, they're kinda cool.

[King_Spade]

Originally Posted by Early Memphis

In time it may come down to only an arm and a foot - but then again, someday it might even require a third appendage.



Oh, please! Okay, so he used a little sarcasm, get over it. As was stated, spoiler tags exist for a reason, use them. Besides, they're kinda cool.

Figures......this blows