Offical Neon Genesis Evangelion Info/Update Thread

[Naiera]

Originally Posted by svenge

WARNING: Another giant wall of text incoming!

[Show spoiler]

Now that all the details of GKIDS' three versions of the Eva TV box set have been publicized, I think now would be a good time to revisit the topic of bit rate once again. Based on the breakdown of bonus features across the two disc configurations (5-disc and 11-disc), it would appear that there will be only five discs available to fit all of the following:

• All 26 episodes (i.e. 1-20, 21'-24' [DCs only], and 25-26) with Japanese and Netflix/VSI 5.1 audio tracks
  
  
• Revival of Evangelion (i.e. Death[True]² + The End of Evangelion) with Japanese and Netflix/VSI 5.1 audio tracks
  
  
• Slightly over four hours' worth of "Animatics" (Eps. 9, 15, 18-26, and part of 25' "Air") w/ Japanese 2.0 audio
  
  
• One hour of vintage promo videos (i.e. "Genesis 0:0 In The Beginning " and "Genesis 0:0' The Light From the Darkness")
  
  
• All the music videos, commercials, and other sundry content.

Based on the encode sizes of all 10x Japanese BDs in their box set, I have determined the following original encode sizes for all the content that will be on the 5-disc US set (i.e. no "Video Format" version of EoE).

• 184.4 GiB total encode size for all included TV episodes (1-20, 21'-24', and 25-26)
  
  
• 41.1 GiB total encode size for Revival of Evangelion (Death[True]² + EoE)
  
  
• 35.8 GiB total encode size of all the "Animatics" put together
  
  
• Up to 21.1 GiB of other various bonus content (i.e. the 46.4 GB disc size of "Disc #9" of the Japanese set, subtracted by the 23.3 GB used by "Video Format version" of EoE)

We're looking at a grand total of 282.4 GiB for the original Japanese encodes for all of GKIDS' licensed content. Even if they were to use BD-50s filled to the brim (i.e. 46-47 GiB) we're still looking at an available disc space deficit of about 50 GiB or 17 percent.

How can this be remedied?

1. The Japanese BDs used 16-bit LPCM 5.1 and 2.0 audio tracks at a total bit rate of 6 Mbps. GKIDS might be able to squeeze two 16-bit DTS-HD MA 5.1 audio tracks (Japanese and Netflix/VSI) down into a combined total in the 5 Mbps range.
   
   
2. A lot of the Japanese bonus content (Genesis 0:0 and 0:0', TV commercials, music videos, etc.) was natively in standard-def 480i in the first place, and then it was all upscaled to ~18 Mbps + 16-bit LPCM 2.0 audio @ 1.5 Mbps for the JP Blu-ray set. No reason that it couldn't all be encoded in standard def + Dolby 2.0 @ 448 Kbps for the US Blu-ray set.
   
   
3. The 20 Mbps 1080i video and 1.5 Mbps 16-bit LPCM audio used for the "Animatics" is ludicrously wasteful. The video bit rate could easily be cut in half, plus changing the audio over to Dolby 2.0 @ 448 Kbps would help.

Even if all three techniques were used simultaneously, GKIDS will probably have to reduce the video bit rate of the TV series somewhat from its average of 35 Mbps. The TV series is pillarboxed 4:3 video though, so a slight reduction wouldn't be the end of the world as a full 1/4 of the screen will be 100% solid black which doesn't take much to encode.

Bro, stop obsessing over this. Bitrate isn't everything. The western discs are in good hands. Or were, as they've obviously been done for a while now.

[professorwho]

Exactly. Encoding settings matter far more than bitrate, and these discs are in good hands.

[vap]

A few years ago I took the video and chapters from the japanese bluray set and the english audio from the ADV dvds and remuxed them and then burned the results to bd50 blanks (ink jet printable)-I even went to the huge trouble of making a slip case to house the bd cases. Done, the best of both worlds + F**k Me On The Moon. small joke-ha ha (FMTTM that is)

[Herry Dunston]

I'm 13 episodes into the Netfix/VSI dub of the TV series. I'll have a bit more to say once I'm done, but I wish to throw this out there while it's still in memory.

Their pronunciation of "Casper" annoys me. I know "KAH-su-PAH" is how the Japanese audio pronounced the name, but unless the original Aramaic is pronounced the same, there's no reason it shouldn't be pronounced "-PER" in the English language. Khara approved this?

[svenge]

Originally Posted by Naiera

Bro, stop obsessing over this. Bitrate isn't everything. The western discs are in good hands. Or were, as they've obviously been done for a while now.

Very well then, I'll speak no more on the matter.

[The Collector FX]

Originally Posted by Rilenz

Man, I'll never understand you people who buy stuff and then just leave it sealed and never open it.
if I get something, I wanna open it and enjoy it, if not then what's the point it buying it

With many of us - it's about retaining value while taking pride in amassing collectors/limited editions of the medium we've enjoyed since children.

Collecting blu rays is particularly huge in Japan and South Korea, and for many of them it's a hobby as much as it is an investment.

Not to mention disc picture/audio quality will always be superior to streaming due to compression and bitrate downsampling. There will always be a market for people who wish to experience something in the best possible quality - and all roads lead to the disc format in that regard. We so happen to own these discs in very nice and potentially OOP packaging.

[professorwho]

Originally Posted by svenge

Very well then, I'll speak no more on the matter.

I don't think that was Naiera's intent. I think it's (the quality of the discs) worth discussing, obviously, but bitrate alone should not be the determining factor. Back in the days of DVD, it was, but with how you can optimize things well with x264, it's no longer a necessity for good quality.

And I did learn one thing from that- it's shocking how much wasted bitrate they threw at SD content and the menus, and with PCM audio no less.

[The Collector FX]

Originally Posted by Naiera

Bro, stop obsessing over this. Bitrate isn't everything. The western discs are in good hands. Or were, as they've obviously been done for a while now.

He's just geeking out. I find the information relevant to this thread. The technical differences is important information to some people on here.

[Naiera]

Originally Posted by svenge

Very well then, I'll speak no more on the matter.

[Naiera]

Originally Posted by The Collector FX

He's just geeking out. I find the information relevant to this thread. The technical differences is important information to some people on here.

It’s being done without fully understanding what’s being talked about. 17% less space doesn’t mean it’ll look 17% worse. That’s not how video bitrates work. The western Eva discs could very well look better than the Japanese ones, although more realistically they’ll probably look the same.

Of course we’re all interested in comparing the two releases, but you can’t draw any conclusions based on the number of discs. It’s just a waste of time.

[Naiera]

Originally Posted by Herry Dunston

Their pronunciation of "Casper" annoys me. I know "KAH-su-PAH" is how the Japanese audio pronounced the name, but unless the original Aramaic is pronounced the same, there's no reason it shouldn't be pronounced "-PER" in the English language. Khara approved this?

Japanesuru people who don’t speak English very well, I figure Just another reason to watch it subbed.

[Tylerfan]

Currently rewatching the first Spider Man movie on Netflix. For like 2 seconds, the video quality dropped below like DVD level and looked like a bad YouTube video. I bring this up for no reason.

[Naiera]

Connection issues somewhere along the chain.

[Mikezilla3k]

Originally Posted by Tylerfan

Currently rewatching the first Spider Man movie on Netflix. For like 2 seconds, the video quality dropped below like DVD level and looked like a bad YouTube video. I bring this up for no reason.

Oh well I.........HUH?!

[The Collector FX]

Originally Posted by Mikezilla3k

Oh well I.........HUH?!

[Rilenz]

Originally Posted by The Collector FX

With many of us - it's about retaining value while taking pride in amassing collectors/limited editions of the medium we've enjoyed since children.

Collecting blu rays is particularly huge in Japan and South Korea, and for many of them it's a hobby as much as it is an investment.

Not to mention disc picture/audio quality will always be superior to streaming due to compression and bitrate downsampling. There will always be a market for people who wish to experience something in the best possible quality - and all roads lead to the disc format in that regard. We so happen to own these discs in very nice and potentially OOP packaging.

Nonono you're not reading what I wrote. I understand wanting physical media for the very reasons you listed, that's why I love getting my blurays. the thing I don't get is people who buy them but then just never even unwrap them. They don't even watch them and so can't enjoy these benefits. Like if you just buy something only te leave it sealed and never opened, I just don't see the point.
Leaving it sealed until you get the time to get around to it then fair enough, but buying it with the intention of never opening it at all is weird to me.
And if you buy something with the sole intention of just selling it later on for a profit then that's kinda scummy to me. Someone else could've bought it and enjoyed it. If you wanna invest in something to make money, there's plenty of other and more lucrative ways of doing so.

[GeoffOliver]

Originally Posted by Rilenz

Nonono you're not reading what I wrote. I understand wanting physical media for the very reasons you listed, that's why I love getting my blurays. the thing I don't get is people who buy them but then just never even unwrap them. They don't even watch them and so can't enjoy these benefits. Like if you just buy something only te leave it sealed and never opened, I just don't see the point.
Leaving it sealed until you get the time to get around to it then fair enough, but buying it with the intention of never opening it at all is weird to me.
And if you buy something with the sole intention of just selling it later on for a profit then that's kinda scummy to me. Someone else could've bought it and enjoyed it. If you wanna invest in something to make money, there's plenty of other and more lucrative ways of doing so.

I completely don't get it either unless you buy with the sole purpose of flipping it new down the line. My roommate spent $300 on a new DVD set of Karin of all shows... and hasn't even opened it. She has it displayed in a glass display case like it's some fancy collector's item (it's just Geneon's set in a standard DVD case). I'm not making this up. Huge waste of money. If I spent that kind of money on any show (not Karin, that's for sure), I'd watch it over and over and over until I was sick of it.

[gundamcero]

If you don't get it I don't think explaining it will help much but most of my limited editions and figures are sealed. If I want to watch it I can stream it or get a standard edition. I want my collector's items to stay collector grade. Not cause I plan to sell it one day but it's good to know it's worth something if needed. I'm just a collector with that mindset.

[BigOnAnime]

I open everything the moment I get it. Shrinkwrap, begone!

I also get annoyed when something arrives in the mail right before I have to go somewhere and thus have to leave it sealed a bit longer.

[The Collector FX]

Originally Posted by Rilenz

Nonono you're not reading what I wrote. I understand wanting physical media for the very reasons you listed, that's why I love getting my blurays. the thing I don't get is people who buy them but then just never even unwrap them. They don't even watch them and so can't enjoy these benefits. Like if you just buy something only te leave it sealed and never opened, I just don't see the point.
Leaving it sealed until you get the time to get around to it then fair enough, but buying it with the intention of never opening it at all is weird to me.
And if you buy something with the sole intention of just selling it later on for a profit then that's kinda scummy to me. Someone else could've bought it and enjoyed it. If you wanna invest in something to make money, there's plenty of other and more lucrative ways of doing so.

With respect, I think my explanation isn't dawning on you because you're not considering the difference between "consuming" versus "collecting".

I buy my items with the purpose of preservation. (i.e. collecting)

You fall into the camp of opening your product out of it's shrinkwrap and enjoying it. (i.e. consuming)

There's nothing wrong with either of the two.

I can only speak for myself, but I don't buy products with the intention of selling them at a higher price. In the event I DO sell something from my inventory - I sell it at which the economy is willing to bear.

"And if you buy something with the sole intention of just selling it later on for a profit then that's kinda scummy to me. Someone else could've bought it and enjoyed it. If you wanna invest in something to make money, there's plenty of other and more lucrative ways of doing so."

First come, first serve. What someone does with that product afterwards is out of your control. You, as an individual, are in no moral position to tell another what they should do with a product. If you have an issue with that, I think that energy would be better channeled towards bigger issues. (Again, with respect)