Physical & Digital EST: The Future of Home Video Discussion Thread

[Wendell R. Breland]

Sorry if this a repeat post but I would like to know if any streamer using Android devices has installed the Projectivity launcher on their device? If true, how do you like it? In the near future I plan to install on the Nvidia Shield Pro.

Below is a YT video about the Projectivity app, there are several on YT, search Projectivity.

[Show spoiler]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WAKno02w7J0&list=PL181z0v3_9PcKRMP_fIisCenHJPR3oKQw&index=3

[crutzulee]

Originally Posted by bhampton

There's no ad skip possible with Tubi. It's a terrible way to watch anything other than Sharks of the Corn. With that movie there's a good chance the ads will be more interesting.

https://tubitv.com/movies/623852/sharks-of-the-corn


Streaming fits a lot of lifestyles better. I stream stuff that is why I have an ATV4K.

If something is available in higher quality though that's what I look for.

We spend money but more importantly we spend time.

We all have our red lines...I won't watch a movie on a TV or any emittive display and I positively draw the line at commercials....

[Vilya]

Originally Posted by crutzulee

We all have our red lines...I won't watch a movie on a TV or any emittive display and I positively draw the line at commercials....

Indeed we do, but considering how strict some of yours are I am surprised that you are so easily satisfied with streamed content.

You built a top notch home theater with unique seating, but you are content to watch overly compressed artifact riddled bitrate starved video on a 130" screen while listening to often anemic lossy audio through 18 speakers. It's like building a gourmet kitchen and serving Hot Pockets for dinner.

[crutzulee]

Originally Posted by Vilya

Indeed we do, but considering how strict some of yours are I am surprised that you are so easily satisfied with streamed content.

You built a top notch home theater with unique seating, but you are content to watch overly compressed artifact riddled bitrate starved video with often anemic lossy audio. It's like building a gourmet kitchen and serving Hot Pockets for dinner.

I have indeed built a system that readily displays audio and video shortcomings in a given presentation and my eyes and ears for the same are probably better suited to calling them out than most members of this forum.. I can see dancing pixels, macro blocking, banding and call out compressed audio with a regularity that is supposed to be technically impossible ( we've all read the double blind studies).... but i reject your characterizations of how bad these are...

Presentations on SHUDDER are the absolute worst things that I watch... but much of that is comprised of fare not available elsewhere, or certainly not worthy of the effort to track down physically or own for posterity...but as far as newer first run ( to me, as i don't attend the cinema anymore)movies are concerned, the on demand streams in 4K DV and DD+ ATMOS can be more than simply slumming it...

Two recent examples - HOW TO TRAIN YOUR DRAGON and BRING HER BACK ...

Watched and enjoyed both weeks before the physical discs came out...As I've said earlier, my audio offset is +10db for streaming ( yes I'm fully aware of the bias factor, no need for a debate)...there was not a video artifact to be seen in either and I'm quite confident that the overall presentation of both was more overall spectacular than what many denizens of BLURAY.COM experienced weeks later with their UHD discs on a TV and soundbar.

The UHD of HOW TO TRAIN YOUR DRAGON arrived with the abomination of shifting aspect ratios. Thankfully this was only a minor annoyance in my setup but if I only had access to a TV without masking capabilities, I personally would take the shortcomings of the stream any day of the week for that title...

As far as the disc for BRING HER BACK, I've already made my feelings clear...it is jaw droppingly REFERENCE quality in a way that I don't recall the stream being... but it was on the strength of that viewing that I decided to add the title to my "permanent " library... I'll watch this over and over again because it's a cracking movie... not because it also happens to be an aural and visual treat... and again, i truly believe that my initial streaming viewing on my setup rivals what most will see on their setups on disc...

[Vilya]

Originally Posted by crutzulee

I have indeed built a system that readily displays audio and video shortcomings in a given presentation and my eyes and ears for the same are probably better suited to calling them out than most members of this forum.. I can see dancing pixels, macro blocking, banding and call out compressed audio with a regularity that is supposed to be technically impossible ( we've all read the double blind studies).... but i reject your characterizations of how bad these are...

[Show spoiler]Presentations on SHUDDER are the absolute worst things that I watch... but much of that is comprised of fare not available elsewhere, or certainly not worthy of the effort to track down physically or own for posterity...but as far as newer first run ( to me, as i don't attend the cinema anymore)movies are concerned, the on demand streams in 4K DV and DD+ ATMOS can be more than simply slumming it...

Two recent examples - HOW TO TRAIN YOUR DRAGON and BRING HER BACK ...

Watched and enjoyed both weeks before the physical discs came out...As I've said earlier, my audio offset is +10db for streaming ( yes I'm fully aware of the bias factor, no need for a debate)...there was not a video artifact to be seen in either and I'm quite confident that the overall presentation of both was more overall spectacular than what many denizens of BLURAY.COM experienced weeks later with their UHD discs on a TV and soundbar.

The UHD of HOW TO TRAIN YOUR DRAGON arrived with the abomination of shifting aspect ratios. Thankfully this was only a minor annoyance in my setup but if I only had access to a TV without masking capabilities, I personally would take the shortcomings of the stream any day of the week for that title...

As far as the disc for BRING HER BACK, I've already made my feelings clear...it is jaw droppingly REFERENCE quality in a way that I don't recall the stream being... but it was on the strength of that viewing that I decided to add the title to my "permanent " library... I'll watch this over and over again because it's a cracking movie... not because it also happens to be an aural and visual treat... and again,

i truly believe that my initial streaming viewing on my setup rivals what most will see on their setups on disc...

I say this with the intent of being hyperbolic for humor's sake, but high end systems like yours can polish a turd to a greater luster than more modest systems, but it is still what it is: a lower quality source.

I use as many streaming services as just about anyone here, but just not as frequently. I would not spend a single cent on streaming if I really characterized it as viewing a turd. Streaming is simply my replacement for cable TV, but even cable TV was never my preferred viewing choice.

We build elaborate home theater systems (within our individual resource constraints) to experience the best and not to prop up mediocre or "lesser than" sources. I did not spend what I have spent to then use a lower quality source when a higher quality source is available. As good as some streams can be, even high bitrate Sony Pictures Core Service, I have never seen one exceed, or even match, the quality of a corresponding disc presentation.

Even if streaming quality were as good as the corresponding disc it would still be ephemeral vaporware conveying no control or ownership. I like having something, literally, to show for my money.

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by Vilya

I say this with the intent of being hyperbolic for humor's sake, but high end systems like yours can polish a turd to a greater luster than more modest systems, but it is still what it is: a lower quality source.

I use as many streaming services as just about anyone here, but just not as frequently. I would not spend a single cent on streaming if I really characterized it as viewing a turd. Streaming is simply my replacement for cable TV, but even cable TV was never my preferred viewing choice.

We build elaborate home theater systems (within our individual resource constraints) to experience the best and not to prop up mediocre or "lesser than" sources. I did not spend what I have spent to then use a lower quality source when a higher quality source is available. As good as some streams can be, even high bitrate Sony Pictures Core Service, I have never seen one exceed, or even match, the quality of a corresponding disc presentation.

Even if streaming quality were as good as the corresponding disc it would still be ephemeral vaporware conveying no control or ownership. I like having something, literally, to show for my money.

Amen.

[crutzulee]

When weighing physical vs digital, the tally chart for pros and cons are going to come down to individual priorities...

I can't argue against either ownership or overall quality.. physical is superior.

.. but as a guy that loves movies ... that no longer attends the cinema... I'm usually busting to see a film as soon as possible... it then becomes a balance of quality vs wait time.
On recent titles, I believe that the gap in quality is not great enough for me to see it at is earliest. I wouldn't trust a stream to be able to handle the grainfield on certain types of filmstock, but something shot on 2k digital... I'm good. Soundwise, I've explained my offset..

Now, if I could get everything at once - that would be awesome!

Kaleidescape looks like a tempting offer more and more each day.. bit rates exceeding disc, early delivery dates etc..

[Vilya]

I would consider Kaleidescape, too, if my situation were different, but given what it is I am not putting a lot more money into my home entertainment system. I will buy a few more movies here and there, but that's it.

[gotmule]

Originally Posted by crutzulee

When weighing physical vs digital, the tally chart for pros and cons are going to come down to individual priorities...

I can't argue against either ownership or overall quality.. physical is superior.

.. but as a guy that loves movies ... that no longer attends the cinema... I'm usually busting to see a film as soon as possible... it then becomes a balance of quality vs wait time.
On recent titles, I believe that the gap in quality is not great enough for me to see it at is earliest. I wouldn't trust a stream to be able to handle the grainfield on certain types of filmstock, but something shot on 2k digital... I'm good. Soundwise, I've explained my offset..

Now, if I could get everything at once - that would be awesome!

Kaleidescape looks like a tempting offer more and more each day.. bit rates exceeding disc, early delivery dates etc..

I just asked my guy who I am going to get my screen and seating from to price out a Kaleidescape as well. I was more than likely going to grab one at some point, but the movie that tipped the scales to buy is Greyhound with Tom Hanks. I am still pissed it went to Apple and never saw a proper release (and so was Hanks) but Kaleidescape has it in 4k with Atmos for $14.99. Once I am at the painting stage downstairs, I will place my order for all 3 items.

[Vilya]

Not that it compares with what Kaleidescape offers, but Greyhound is offered on Fandango At Home in 4K at the same price. Damn shame that there is no physical release after all of this time.

[gotmule]

Originally Posted by Vilya

Not that it compares with what Kaleidescape offers, but Greyhound is offered on Fandango At Home in 4K at the same price. Damn shame that there is no physical release after all of this time.

Damn shame in deed.

[Vilya]

I watched this tonight:



I was not very impressed. Low video bitrates that never exceeded 56 mbps. I usually don't check video bitrates unless I am amazed or disappointed; it was a bit the latter in this case. It is not that it is bad, but it is not anything special, either.

I had to increase my customary volume setting +6 db to give the audio any semblance of life. We have another castrated Atmouse presentation here.

Had I seen this 4K disc before buying it, I would not have bothered. I do not feel that it was worth the $41.99 that I paid for it. I will revisit my blu-ray copy soon to see if I can rationalize this purchase, but I doubt that I will change my mind.

[alchav21]

Originally Posted by Vilya

Not that it compares with what Kaleidescape offers, but Greyhound is offered on Fandango At Home in 4K at the same price. Damn shame that there is no physical release after all of this time.

Greyhound is on AppleTV+, and I guess no legal Discs!

[Vilya]

^You're linking to a bootleg copy; you should delete your post. Your ebay seller is located in Malaysia.

If you do a global search for this movie here at blu-ray.com you will find NO legitimate releases anywhere in the world.

[alchav21]

Originally Posted by Wendell R. Breland

Sorry if this a repeat post but I would like to know if any streamer using Android devices has installed the Projectivity launcher on their device? If true, how do you like it? In the near future I plan to install on the Nvidia Shield Pro.

Below is a YT video about the Projectivity app, there are several on YT, search Projectivity.

I have no problem with my Sony UHD TV Android Apps, I've used them for almost a Decade. I have them arranged for easy access when in the Home Screen they come up with no trouble. I'm logged into the ones I use, and they come right up. With the Sony Processor they work Fantastic!

[gotmule]

Originally Posted by Vilya

^You're linking to a bootleg copy; you should delete your post. Your ebay seller is located in Malaysia.

If you do a global search for this movie here at blu-ray.com you will find NO legitimate releases anywhere in the world.

Maybe a mod can step in and delete it since he can’t find the delete button.

[Steedeel]

I wasn’t big on Greyhound or Master And Commander to be honest. They both had all the credentials, but just fell short for me.

Didn’t bother upgrading from. The DVD in the latter’s case. Watched Greyhound when it premiered, but not one I want to own in any future surprise release.

[Vilya]

Originally Posted by gotmule

Maybe a mod can step in and delete it since he can’t find the delete button.

Perhaps we can help him out by using the "report post" button? He thinks that we need his help finding discs, so he links us to a bootleg.

I know that he saw my post last night because he replied to Wendell a few minutes after my post.

[Vilya]

Originally Posted by alchav21

I have no problem with my Sony UHD TV Android Apps, I've used them for almost a Decade. I have them arranged for easy access when in the Home Screen they come up with no trouble. I'm logged into the ones I use, and they come right up. With the Sony Processor they work Fantastic!

Wendell's post had NOTHING to do with ease of access to streaming apps. It had to do with ad removal from Android devices. Work on your reading comprehension.

[bhampton]

$14

Hit buy so fast.