The Anime Blu-ray Video Quality Thread

[Rosenkreutz]

Originally Posted by BigOnAnime

When I said Blue Seed was an example of a Blu-ray looking worse than the DVDs, I was referring to the Japanese release which looks [URL="https://web.archive.org/web/20111108035216/http://cfile30.uf.tistory.com/original/112F19384D16C5E12BC854"]

Yikes that does look awful, I doesn't look like that release has a page here so I was under the incorrect impression that the Discotek release was the only one.

Originally Posted by BoscoTheMan82

There was only 1 opening theme for the first season of Big O, the rip off of the Flash Gordan theme. Respect was the theme song for the second season. The Blu-ray for Big O has the new theme "Show Must Go On" which in itself is a "homage" to The Kinks.

Indeed, Respect is in turn a homage to the opening theme of "Gerry Anderson's UFO," though from what I gathered it doesn't appear that Respect was ever featured on any of the US releases, though I did read that it did slip by on one of the episode openings when it was first airing on Adults Swim. However, I read that Respect was still featured in the second season as background music during a couple scenes. Apparently these instances were still present in the Japanese BD which leads me to believe that this is probably the case on Sentai's release as well, but I was just curious to know beforehand since it's kind of odd if they kept it in despite having removed the first theme during one of the fights scenes. Maybe they just figured that no one would notice since Gerry Anderson's UFO isn't as well known as Queen and Flash Gordon.

[omarchafa]

The High School Fleet Movie (劇場版 ハイスクール・フリート)

                                 Total   Video                                             
Title                                                           Codec   Length   Movie Size      Disc Size       Bitrate Bitrate Main Audio Track                          Secondary Audio Track
-----                                                           ------  -------  --------------  --------------  ------- ------- ------------------                        ---------------------
00000.MPLS                                                      AVC     1:43:32  35,115,552,768  43,531,171,840  45.22   0.00    DTS-HD Master 5.1                         DTS-HD Master 2.0DTS-HD Master 2.0

DISC INFO:

Disc Title:     BDROM
Disc Size:      43,531,171,840 bytes
Protection:     AACS(v76)
BDInfo:         0.7.5.6 (compatible layout created by DVDFab 11.0.5.4)

PLAYLIST REPORT:

Name:                   00000.MPLS  
Length:                 1:43:32.706 (h:m:s.ms)
Size:                   35,115,552,768 bytes
Total Bitrate:          45.22 Mbps

VIDEO:

Codec                   Bitrate             Description     
-----                   -------             -----------     
MPEG-4 AVC Video        0 kbps              1080p / 23.976 fps / 16:9 / High Profile 4.1

AUDIO:

Codec                           Language        Bitrate         Description     
-----                           --------        -------         -----------     
DTS-HD Master Audio             Japanese        0 kbps          5.1 / 48 kHz / 24-bit (DTS Core: 5.1 / 48 kHz / 1509 kbps / 24-bit)
DTS-HD Master Audio             Japanese        0 kbps          2.0 / 48 kHz / 24-bit (DTS Core: 2.0 / 48 kHz / 448 kbps / 24-bit)
DTS Audio                       Japanese        256 kbps        2.0 / 48 kHz / 256 kbps / 24-bit

Animated by A-1 Pictures and it looks native 1080p to me.

[Rosenkreutz]

Does anyone by chance own the Discotek release of "Great Teacher Onizuka?" I was curious what the disc packaging looked like on it since it appears surprisingly compact, but I can't find any used copies of it online in order to see for myself. It would certainly free up a lot of space if I were to replace my TokyoPop box sets with it, though unfortunately I heard that it uses the same masters as the TokyoPop release which means the opening themes are going to be significantly louder than the actual show for whatever reason. However, one thing that I'm a little wary about is that this release is apparently on only seven discs as opposed to the TokyoPop release which was on ten, this makes me wonder if it has worse video compression as a result.

Additionally, I was similarly curious about Discotek's release of "Soul Hunter" which I'm having even more trouble finding any information on.
Though I'm more on the fence about replacing my individual ADV DVDs with that one solely on the basis that the cover kind of looks like a lazy photoshop of screenshots from the show.

[BigOnAnime]

The Discotek release for Great Teacher Onizuka is also missing all the video extras and easter eggs from the Tokyopop DVDs. Soul Hunter, don't know much about Discotek's release for that, but that is also missing basically every extra from the ADV DVDs. Unfortunately a lot of Discotek's license-rescues for years suffered from this problem, it wasn't until a few years ago Discotek really got good about making sure every show retained the extras from prior releases instead of a select few. The thread in my signature has multiple examples.
https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread.php?t=283040

[chronoclast]

Originally Posted by Rosenkreutz

Does anyone by chance own the Discotek release of "Great Teacher Onizuka?" I was curious what the disc packaging looked like on it since it appears surprisingly compact, but I can't find any used copies of it online in order to see for myself. It would certainly free up a lot of space if I were to replace my TokyoPop box sets with it, though unfortunately I heard that it uses the same masters as the TokyoPop release which means the opening themes are going to be significantly louder than the actual show for whatever reason. However, one thing that I'm a little weary about is that this release is apparently on only seven discs as opposed to the TokyoPop release which was on ten, this makes me wonder if it has worse video compression as a result.

Discotek's DVDs of GTO reuses the asset files from the Tokyopop discs; meaning the video, audio, and subtitles are exactly the same. The video looks wretched since the masters are total garbage to begin with. Essentially all they did was strip out the extras, made new menus, and put it all on seven discs. Compact packaging is the only benefit and even then it's ugly since they only had one piece of artwork to work with.

GTO was an early release from Discotek before they started putting the level of effort and quality into their releases that they're known for now.

[theberserker22]

I watched Lupin the 3rd: Island of Assassins on Bluray recently and was kind of surprised by the mixed quality of Discotek's release. Their Lupin blurays (much like almost all their blus) tend to be excellent but this one had some weird issues, such as noticeable static on the left edge of the screen and an orange line down the middle of the screen, both very noticeable during darker scenes but less problematic during normal, not-dark scenes.

Wonder if this is a case of them getting a bad master from TMS?

[professorwho]

Originally Posted by chronoclast

GTO was an early release from Discotek before they started putting the level of effort and quality into their releases that they're known for now.

Plus, as Grav will tell you, it’s one of the few Region 1 locked Discotek DVDs. I think an SD-BD for GTO would be great, as it could fix some technical issues.

[xXx$uicide_Ma$terxXx]

Originally Posted by professorwho

Plus, as Grav will tell you, it’s one of the few Region 1 locked Discotek DVDs. I think an SD-BD for GTO would be great, as it could fix some technical issues.

Some? As long as it doesn't look like a bootleg VHS rip it's good with me.

[professorwho]

Originally Posted by xXx$uicide_Ma$terxXx

Some? As long as it doesn't look like a bootleg VHS rip it's good with me.

I say some because maybe that's the best master currently available. Anything can go wrong with old anime.

[Rosenkreutz]

Originally Posted by BigOnAnime

The Discotek release for Great Teacher Onizuka is also missing all the video extras and easter eggs from the Tokyopop DVDs. Soul Hunter, don't know much about Discotek's release for that, but that is also missing basically every extra from the ADV DVDs. Unfortunately a lot of Discotek's license-rescues for years suffered from this problem, it wasn't until a few years ago Discotek really got good about making sure every show retained the extras from prior releases instead of a select few. The thread in my signature has multiple examples.
https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread.php?t=283040

That's too bad, I hope that they do a SDBD of it someday then, preferably one with better video quality to that of the old DVDs. As for Soul Hunter I'm disappointed to hear that all the extras were removed since I recall the character and history synopses explained or at least gave context to a lot of things which weren't elaborated on too well in the show itself.

[chronoclast]

Originally Posted by professorwho

I say some because maybe that's the best master currently available. Anything can go wrong with old anime.

GTO hasn't had a re-release in Japan since the original DVD volumes released in like 2000. Every foreign release has been sourced from those same terrible masters too.

It's in dire need of a remaster, unless the film is lost or something.

[NLScavenger]

Redline - Dynit BD

This may not offer a significant upgrade over the Japanese BD, but it definitely gives a good trashing to the previous BD that Kazé released in Italy and other places. There is some banding and aliasing in the source, but it is a fairly minor problem. It helps that there is a grain texture and that the action moves at such a breakneck pace, that I wasn't paying much attention to the deficiencies.

Dynit BD (IT) - TFC BD (JP) - Kazé BD (Europe) (TFC/Kazé BD screenshot source)




The MPEG4 AVC killer


Dynit BD - Kazé BD


Aliasing


Regarding windowboxing:

Originally Posted by mp3dom

No, the windowboxing is still there, basically because I think it was intentional: the production is digital, in a period (2009) where the tv over/underscan was already ignored. Plus, while the movie is indeed windowboxed, all the staff/cast credits are not (they're full screen) and this is not common because they're part of the movie and not something external/apart.

As you can see here, the credits hit the horizontal edge of the screen


More screenshots

DISC INFO:

Disc Title:     REDLINE
Disc Label:     REDLINE
Disc Size:      34,931,944,990 bytes
Protection:     AACS
BDInfo:         0.7.5.5

PLAYLIST REPORT:

Name:                   00004.MPLS
Length:                 1:42:08.038 (h:m:s.ms)
Size:                   32,155,235,712 bytes
Total Bitrate:          41.98 Mbps

VIDEO:

Codec                   Bitrate             Description     
-----                   -------             -----------     
MPEG-4 AVC Video        34852 kbps          1080p / 23.976 fps / 16:9 / High Profile 4.1

AUDIO:

Codec                           Language        Bitrate         Description     
-----                           --------        -------         -----------     
DTS-HD Master Audio             Italian         2458 kbps       5.1 / 48 kHz /  2458 kbps / 16-bit (DTS Core: 5.1 / 48 kHz /  1509 kbps / 16-bit)
DTS-HD Master Audio             Japanese        2353 kbps       5.1 / 48 kHz /  2353 kbps / 16-bit (DTS Core: 5.1 / 48 kHz /  1509 kbps / 16-bit)

SUBTITLES:

Codec                           Language        Bitrate         Description     
-----                           --------        -------         -----------     
Presentation Graphics           Italian         34.862 kbps                     
Presentation Graphics           Italian         0.786 kbps

[TThomas]

Someone posted a comparison between the Animoon (Germany) Blu-ray and the Japanese Blu-ray of the Konosuba Movie:

https://slow.pics/c/xvuqbuc0

stats however show 20 mbit/s avg with peaks above 60 mbit/s

[Tylerfan]

How good does "Code:Breaker" look on Blu-ray?

[NLScavenger]

Originally Posted by TThomas

Someone posted a comparison between the Animoon (Germany) Blu-ray and the Japanese Blu-ray of the Konosuba Movie:

https://slow.pics/c/xvuqbuc0

stats however show 20 mbit/s avg with peaks above 60 mbit/s

And here I thought there couldn't be an anime Blu-ray this year that's worse than the Dutch Blu-ray of Weathering with You.

[SpaceDandy]

Hahaha oh wow.
Even an on the fly DVD upscale would look better.

[Dailyan]

Originally Posted by TThomas

Someone posted a comparison between the Animoon (Germany) Blu-ray and the Japanese Blu-ray of the Konosuba Movie:

https://slow.pics/c/xvuqbuc0

stats however show 20 mbit/s avg with peaks above 60 mbit/s

[Show spoiler]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wb1o3puaHz8

That's one helluva LegoVision disc.

[BoscoTheMan82]

Demon Slayer - Kimetsu Ni Yaiba

Episode 1 Funimation

General
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Complete name                  : E:\BDMV\STREAM\00004.m2ts
Format                         : BDAV
Format/Info                    : Blu-ray Video
File size                      : 6.89 GiB
Duration                       : 23 min 41 s
Overall bit rate mode          : Variable
Overall bit rate               : 41.6 Mb/s
Maximum Overall bit rate       : 48.0 Mb/s

Video
ID                             : 4113 (0x1011)
Menu ID                        : 1 (0x1)
Format                         : AVC
Format/Info                    : Advanced Video Codec
Format profile                 : High@L4.1
Format settings                : CABAC / 4 Ref Frames
Format settings, CABAC         : Yes
Format settings, Reference fra : 4 frames
Codec ID                       : 27
Duration                       : 23 min 41 s
Bit rate mode                  : Variable
Bit rate                       : 35.4 Mb/s
Maximum bit rate               : 39.0 Mb/s
Width                          : 1 920 pixels
Height                         : 1 080 pixels
Display aspect ratio           : 16:9
Frame rate                     : 23.976 (24000/1001) FPS
Color space                    : YUV
Chroma subsampling             : 4:2:0
Bit depth                      : 8 bits
Scan type                      : Progressive
Bits/(Pixel*Frame)             : 0.712
Stream size                    : 5.85 GiB (85%)

Audio #1
ID                             : 4352 (0x1100)
Menu ID                        : 1 (0x1)
Format                         : PCM
Format settings                : Big / Signed
Muxing mode                    : Blu-ray
Codec ID                       : 128
Duration                       : 23 min 41 s
Bit rate mode                  : Constant
Bit rate                       : 2 304 kb/s
Channel(s)                     : 2 channels
Channel layout                 : L R
Sampling rate                  : 48.0 kHz
Bit depth                      : 24 bits
Stream size                    : 390 MiB (6%)

Audio #2
ID                             : 4353 (0x1101)
Menu ID                        : 1 (0x1)
Format                         : PCM
Format settings                : Big / Signed
Muxing mode                    : Blu-ray
Codec ID                       : 128
Duration                       : 23 min 41 s
Bit rate mode                  : Constant
Bit rate                       : 2 304 kb/s
Channel(s)                     : 2 channels
Channel layout                 : L R
Sampling rate                  : 48.0 kHz
Bit depth                      : 24 bits
Stream size                    : 390 MiB (6%)

Text #1
ID                             : 4608 (0x1200)
Menu ID                        : 1 (0x1)
Format                         : PGS
Codec ID                       : 144

Text #2
ID                             : 4609 (0x1201)
Menu ID                        : 1 (0x1)
Format                         : PGS
Codec ID                       : 144

[professorwho]

Looks like it is a 1:1 clone of the JP BD encode as expected. Obviously, it lacks the extras, but the video and main audio seems to be identical.

[Kyle15]

Originally Posted by TThomas

Someone posted a comparison between the Animoon (Germany) Blu-ray and the Japanese Blu-ray of the Konosuba Movie:

https://slow.pics/c/xvuqbuc0

stats however show 20 mbit/s avg with peaks above 60 mbit/s

I've no desire to watch this one but MAN that's HORRIFIC.