The Fantastic Four: First Steps (2025)

[levcore]

Originally Posted by starmike

Right. So why are people so focused on them?

(we know the answer, it's a rhetorical question)

But what is the answer (for those who are not part of the "we")?

[mwynn]

https://thedirect.com/article/fantas...-the-thing-cgi

Fantastic Four 2025 Movie Releases No-CGI Scenes With The Thing (Photos)

[Damon1281]

I admittedly root for Marvel's box office failure because I'm sick of the Mary Sue-ing and LGBQ-ing of the brand. I thought Fantastic Four was okay, though, with reservations. I think the reasons for the comparative failure of the studio to its heyday are as clear as day. Money is the only vote I have, and so I cancelled Disney plus well over a year ago, stopped importing their Blu-rays. This is the only film I didn't wait to see streaming.

[The Noodle]

Originally Posted by Damon1281

I admittedly root for Marvel's box office failure because I'm sick of the Mary Sue-ing and LGBQ-ing of the brand.

lol

[mwynn]

Originally Posted by The Noodle

lol

I can never take those kinds of comments seriously. If people really wanted things to fail they would remove themselves from said thing.

[BluBonnet]

Those pearls must be pretty exhausted from being clutched so tight

[Damon1281]

Originally Posted by mwynn

I can never take those kinds of comments seriously. If people really wanted things to fail they would remove themselves from said thing.

I never take you or your clique of Marvel cheerleaders seriously. In case you missed it, aside from this one movie, which was my childhood comic of choice, I have removed myself from paying for MCU material.

[scotchka]

Originally Posted by The Noodle

lol

I am part of the LGBBQ community. We are not a joke!

[Johnny Blu]

Has anyone bought the limited edition Displate called Devourer of Worlds? It's a metal poster of Galactus and Silver Surfer. They are admittedly not cheap, but some are really good. If I was more of a fan of the Fantastic Four, I probably would have picked this up.

[mwynn]

Originally Posted by BluBonnet

Those pearls must be pretty exhausted from being clutched so tight

All that clutching will cause them to choke.

[50strat54]

Originally Posted by mwynn

Before sites like Box Office Mojo, what did people talk about with movies?

Word of mouth and how fast the movie left the theater or how long it stayed in the theater.

Sometimes a newspaper article would point to a movie being a flop. We really didn’t see numbers unless it was a mega blockbuster.

We never saw the budget to determine ROI or the general 2.5 x budget calculation.

It was a general feeling among family, friends and co-workers how popular a movie was.

Sound of Music, The Godfather, The Exorcist, Jaws, Star Wars.

There was incredible excitement around these films.

The billion dollar Lilo and Stitch and nearly a billion for Minecraft, we no longer see that collective excitement.

VHS, DVD, Blu-ray, 4K and streaming have all reduced the “specialness” of movies.

This forum is a very small bubble of fanatics, film lovers, film historians and collectors, many with OCD that still care. The world out there no longer sees the “specialness” of film or of many other things like sports, concerts, music.

The release of Sgt Pepper was an event, even Taylor Swift releasing a new album is not much of an event any more.

[starmike]

Originally Posted by Damon1281

I never take you or your clique of Marvel cheerleaders seriously. In case you missed it, aside from this one movie, which was my childhood comic of choice, I have removed myself from paying for MCU material.

And yet...here you are.

[mwynn]

Originally Posted by 50strat54

We never saw the budget to determine ROI or the general 2.5 x budget calculation.

All that goes out the window when the studio says that a movie that supposedly cost
150–200 million
Then makes
$942.9 million
Does not make a profit.

According to the general 2.5 X the budget it should have made money. I believe James Gunn said the data that people believe is false. So if the concern is that studios will stop making movies that do not make a profit, how do you get around Harry Potter. If what people belove is true about movie budgets and revenue what is the point? People are trying to take something that is clearly complicated and trying to simplify it, with clearly missing pieces of data. There are clear enforcing data to figure out batting average and earned run averages. If the studios wanted us to know this data they would freely release it. Without the raw data, everything falls apart.

[mwynn]

Originally Posted by starmike

And yet...here you are.

Makes me think of someone walking past a restaurant where they do not like the food. Yet choose to go in there to tell other customers you do not like it. Time is money.

[50strat54]

Originally Posted by mwynn

All that goes out the window when the studio says that a movie that supposedly cost
150–200 million
Then makes
$942.9 million
Does not make a profit.

According to the general 2.5 X the budget it should have made money. I believe James Gunn said the data that people believe is false. So if the concern is that studios will stop making movies that do not make a profit, how do you get around Harry Potter. If what people belove is true about movie budgets and revenue what is the point? People are trying to take something that is clearly complicated and trying to simplify it, with clearly missing pieces of data. There are clear enforcing data to figure out batting average and earned run averages. If the studios wanted us to know this data they would freely release it. Without the raw data, everything falls apart.

Ever hear of Art Buchwald’s lawsuit against Paramount over Coming To America?

There is Hollywood accounting, gross profit, net profit, points etc.

What you posted is “movie accounting” not real money accounting.

The studios still pay the correct amount of taxes to the IRS.

James Gunn is not a disinterested party regarding his comments on profit.

A lot came out in that Buchwald lawsuit and Paramount settled, didn’t appeal and didn’t want any more sh!t to come out. That’s why businesses settle.

[mwynn]

Originally Posted by 50strat54

Ever hear of Art Buchwald’s lawsuit against Paramount over Coming To America?

There is Hollywood accounting, gross profit, net profit, points etc.

What you posted is “movie accounting” not real money accounting.

The studios still pay the correct amount of taxes to the IRS.

James Gunn is not a disinterested party regarding his comments on profit.

A lot came out in that Buchwald lawsuit and Paramount settled, didn’t appeal and didn’t want any more sh!t to come out. That’s why businesses settle.

Yes, but what has that lawsuit changed about the industry? Have any of the practices changed? I just posted in the Movie Theater thread about a Ponzi scheme.

The studios are going to play their games. We do not have to play along with them.

[drb999]

So many factors. Tax credits. Merchandising. Physical media sales. Digital sales. All other kinds of stuff I’m sure I’m not aware of.

Oh I can’t take any opinions that use the term Mary Sue seriously. I wish to God that the writer of the Mary Sue story had thrown it in the garbage or into a fire.

[BluBonnet]

Originally Posted by drb999

Oh I can’t take any opinions that use the term Mary Sue seriously. I wish to God that the writer of the Mary Sue story had thrown it in the garbage or into a fire.

[Resident Evil Labs]

Imagine being triggered over a gay character.... and who is gay in the MCU now anyway??

[Telemachus]

Never forget