The Official Energy Speakers Thread

[cxr369]

Originally Posted by Clippins

I'm assuming you mean the A5s-300 (s meaning it's a sealed sub). Assuming this, having only heard an A3-300 and basically researching the other 2, I'd go with the dual A5s-300's from eD.

I've been reading a lot of bad stuff (check out the Epik forums on this site) about the Legend and it's amp. It may just be a small % of the amps going bad, but there's still some sort of issue going on specific to the Legends. Had the amp problem not been an issue, it would be a tough call to make between the Legends and the eD subs.

Having heard an A3-300 I think you'll be happy with an A5s-300.

Assuming the amp is just an isolated issue, how would you pick between the two. That's the issue I'm having right now.

[BigAl87]

Originally Posted by cxr369

Yea, they said they are waiting for the amps, which should come in soon.

That's good news I like the sound of great sealed subs I think you will be happy with them, I'm personally looking at dual Sub 12 from Paradigm but we are looking at a different price range but I also want to keep it as compact as possible.

[cxr369]

Originally Posted by BigAl87

That's good news I like the sound of great sealed subs I think you will be happy with them, I'm personally looking at dual Sub 12 from Paradigm but we are looking at a different price range but I also want to keep it as compact as possible.

We definitely are looking at a different price range lol. Yea I don't want a huge sub either since I'm going to be running too. I don't want anything too distracting. I'm trying to get ED to make them in a flat matte black. So in your opinion the ED will beat out the Legends? thanks for the feedback

[BigAl87]

Originally Posted by cxr369

We definitely are looking at a different price range lol. Yea I don't want a huge sub either since I'm going to be running too. I don't want anything too distracting. I'm trying to get ED to make them in a flat matte black. So in your opinion the ED will beat out the Legends? thanks for the feedback

to tell you the truth I don't know which one sounds better, the Epik has an interesting desingn with dual side firing drivers. I don't want to give you missleading information.

I have not heard any of the 2 so it's hard to say.

I would go for the ED, ED has several finish but some are more expensive, maybe High Gloss would look good with the CF but would bring the total quite high,

I am sure both would sound great but I have a feeling the ED is for real.

[callas01]

Originally Posted by cxr369

Ok, I finally got my final three sub selections. They are all around the same price so I just want to know what's my best option. I'm running dual subs.

Outlaw Audio LFM-1 Plus Subwoofer $934 shipped

Elemental Design A5-300 is $1000 shipped

Epik Dual Legends are $1014 shipped

having heard Hsu subs and eD subs, and that Outlaw subs were designed by Dr Hsu, I would get the Outlaw subs. They resemble the Hsu subs a lot, and the Hsu subs have a great tone and texture to them. They can be powerful and soft and accurate, the eD subs are just powerhouses and sometimes lack a little control/finesse. Also, the amps on the Outlaws have variable tuning, so you can control how they play.... Maybe the one near you is set to output at 25 hz and the distant one to 18 hz, or vice versa....

[BigAl87]

Originally Posted by callas01

having heard Hsu subs and eD subs, and that Outlaw subs were designed by Dr Hsu, I would get the Outlaw subs. They resemble the Hsu subs a lot, and the Hsu subs have a great tone and texture to them. They can be powerful and soft and accurate, the eD subs are just powerhouses and sometimes lack a little control/finesse. Also, the amps on the Outlaws have variable tuning, so you can control how they play.... Maybe the one near you is set to output at 25 hz and the distant one to 18 hz, or vice versa....

What do you mean by that I mean no port plug it extends at 25hz and with one of the 2 ports plugged it goes lower according to Outlaw.

It's a nice sub too I have to say but the A5 sealed sub is not exctly a ported sub like yours. I really wonder how it would really sound, I know from experience in car audio ported usually result in lower extension and more SPL or db but less control an with more rumbling bass. The A5 having a sealed enclosure should sound tighter, more controlled and less rumbling than your A3.

Anyhow I am defenately going for a sealed sub it is my prference in Car audio as well.

Here's a review of he older A5-300, http://www.hometheatersound.com/equi...igns_a5300.htm

[aces high]

The thing with sealed subs is that without eq they naturally start to roll off around 30-35hz. You need to boost the low end for the extension and output any lower. So to get them it hit low and loud takes a lot of amplifier power, that's why you see sealed subs in small enclosure's like the Digm Sub 12, HSU ULS 15 etc with such powerful amps in them. The sealed subs with small amps tend to run out of steam pretty quickly below 30hz, manufacturers will claim 20hz or lower but this also depends heavily on room gain. The claims of really low hz are also not at usable output levels. The HSU ULS 15 claims 10hz extension but they doesn't say how much output is at that level, probably not much. Paradigm claims 12hz for my Sub 15, another optimistic claim. I might be getting 15 at best, most likely around 18 with any usable output.

[callas01]

Originally Posted by BigAl87

What do you mean by that I mean no port plug it extends at 25hz and with one of the 2 ports plugged it goes lower according to Outlaw.

It's a nice sub too I have to say but the A5 sealed sub is not exctly a ported sub like yours. I really wonder how it would really sound, I know from experience in car audio ported usually result in lower extension and more SPL or db but less control an with more rumbling bass. The A5 having a sealed enclosure should sound tighter, more controlled and less rumbling than your A3.

Anyhow I am defenately going for a sealed sub it is my prference in Car audio as well.

Here's a review of he older A5-300, http://www.hometheatersound.com/equi...igns_a5300.htm

Hsu and Outlaw subs have a switch on the back of the plate amp, that you can switch between the sub playing at 25 hz or 18 hz.... I was really into the Hsu VTF2.3, but the price was a little more then I wanted to spend, the eD isn't that far from the Hsu, but the tone and texture was slightly better, I guess thats what people call musical....

[BigAl87]

Originally Posted by aces high

The thing with sealed subs is that without eq they naturally start to roll off around 30-35hz. You need to boost the low end for the extension and output any lower. So to get them it hit low and loud takes a lot of amplifier power, that's why you see sealed subs in small enclosure's like the Digm Sub 12, HSU ULS 15 etc with such powerful amps in them. The sealed subs with small amps tend to run out of steam pretty quickly below 30hz, manufacturers will claim 20hz or lower but this also depends heavily on room gain. The claims of really low hz are also not at usable output levels. The HSU ULS 15 claims 10hz extension but they doesn't say how much output is at that level, probably not much. Paradigm claims 12hz for my Sub 15, another optimistic claim. I might be getting 15 at best, most likely around 18 with any usable output.

the ED is not to shabby a small seled enclosure weighing 69lbs with 500Watts rms claiming 19hz at +/-3 db would defenately depend on room also but those numbers are not so bad.

[aces high]

Originally Posted by BigAl87

the ED is not to shabby a small seled enclosure weighing 69lbs with 500Watts rms claiming 19hz at +/-3 db would defenately depend on room also but those numbers are not so bad.

I agree that for it's price point it's a decent sub. I forgot to mention that it also depends on the efficiency of the driver, a lot of the big heavy duty drivers that you see in the Digms, SVS etc are really low efficiency driver which is another reason they require so much power.

[BigAl87]

Originally Posted by aces high

I agree that for it's price point it's a decent sub. I forgot to mention that it also depends on the efficiency of the driver, a lot of the big heavy duty drivers that you see in the Digms, SVS etc are really low efficiency driver which is another reason they require so much power.

Yes absolutely the heavier and the bigger the magnet is the harder it is to drive, A JL Audio 13W7 car subwoofer is 52lbs the driver alone and is 1500 watts RMS, requires a powerfull amp to drive it as oppose to the 11lbs 13W1 v2 which sounds great and loud with 150 watts of power but does not compare to the W7.

[cxr369]

So the Outlaws can get down to 18hz with port plug, and the ED claims 19hz, the legends claim 16-18hz are any of these numbers true. I'm interested in the legends because of the dual drivers and I've seen some really good reviews.


To quote Epiks site:

"The Legend's two drivers have a surface area equivalent to roughly an 18 inch driver. However, we have TWO motors driving the cones in parallel instead of a single motor. Instead of asking one driver to work very hard, we let a pair of driver’s coast through the most torturous of playback materials. Speed, sound quality, explosive dynamics and effortlessness are the name of the game."

# Frequency response : 20-200 Hz +/-3.5 dB
# 16 - 18 Hz usable in-room extension

[Adam.C]

Originally Posted by cxr369

So the Outlaws can get down to 18hz with port plug, and the ED claims 19hz, the legends claim 16-18hz are any of these numbers true. I'm interested in the legends because of the dual drivers and I've seen some really good reviews.


To quote Epiks site:

"The Legend's two drivers have a surface area equivalent to roughly an 18 inch driver. However, we have TWO motors driving the cones in parallel instead of a single motor. Instead of asking one driver to work very hard, we let a pair of driver’s coast through the most torturous of playback materials. Speed, sound quality, explosive dynamics and effortlessness are the name of the game."

# Frequency response : 20-200 Hz +/-3.5 dB
# 16 - 18 Hz usable in-room extension

Like most subs, especially sealed, they are quoting numbers that rely heavily on room gain. I highly doubt the Legend will dig as deep as an Outlaw EX. But I can be completely wrong.

[callas01]

Originally Posted by Adam.C

Like most subs, especially sealed, they are quoting numbers that rely heavily on room gain. I highly doubt the Legend will dig as deep as an Outlaw EX. But I can be completely wrong.

theres a guy in the Anthem AVR thread that his Epik Legend is rolling off at like 30 hz... and that is with ARC... it could be placement associated also, Im not sure.

[cxr369]

Originally Posted by callas01

theres a guy in the Anthem AVR thread that his Epik Legend is rolling off at like 30 hz... and that is with ARC... it could be placement associated also, Im not sure.

That sucks, I was thinking of placing them on the front wall about seven or eight feet apart and like a foot from the corner.

That's why it's hard to pick a sub because there numbers are almost always wrong.

[Adam.C]

Originally Posted by cxr369

That sucks, I was thinking of placing them on the front wall about seven or eight feet apart and like a foot from the corner.

That's why it's hard to pick a sub because there numbers are almost always wrong.

Not saying that the Legend is not good though. Room placement and treatments are key for any sub. There is plenty of people who love the Legend and says it has good output, even to low frequencies. However I still think the Outlaw would go lower than any of the choices you have...

[callas01]

yep, room placement is huge for a subwoofer. Im not saying the Epik is bad, I won't pass that judgement. Also, the sub 20 hz response isn't the most important thing anyways, its the amps speed and drivers reaction time and excursion that means the most when picking a subwoofer. Id rather have a sub that rolls off at 25 hz and is extremely accurate over a sub that rolls off at 18 hz and doesn't have the accuracy and sounds bloated or boomy.

[BigAl87]

Originally Posted by callas01

yep, room placement is huge for a subwoofer. Im not saying the Epik is bad, I won't pass that judgement. Also, the sub 20 hz response isn't the most important thing anyways, its the amps speed and drivers reaction time and excursion that means the most when picking a subwoofer. Id rather have a sub that rolls off at 25 hz and is extremely accurate over a sub that rolls off at 18 hz and doesn't have the accuracy and sounds bloated or boomy.

You know what sound is all about Steve It's really hard to buy a sub or speakers base stricly on specs which is why I rather just buy something I can audition. Those factory direct companies usually offer tremendous value but we often have to rely on other peoples experience to buy which is why I put the extra dough.

Sub specs are often missleading some companies overated their product while other underrates them.

[darshanjoshi]

Need advise on below pre owned amps for RC50

1.Technics SUV4 (Rs.4000, $90)
2.Sansui C1000 + B3000 (Rs.8000, $180)
3.Denon 1055R (Rs.16000, $360)
4.Philips 900 FA930 (Rs.6000, $135)

All in working condition but could not proper audition and prices negotiable.

Kindly give your suggestions.

[cxr369]

How much should I expect to pay for a brand new pair of RC-50s?