The Official Energy Speakers Thread

[Clippins]

Originally Posted by callas01

There have been several people that have built risers to put their TVs on... I think that would be the best thing, or mount your TV on the wall.

Yeah I've seen a few posts here and there regarding the self made risers. That's prob the route I'm going to need to go.

[darshanjoshi]

Originally Posted by callas01

I agree, you need to know whats missing in order to fix what your lacking....

I think i am missing the dynamics and punch. I find them too laid back. Audyssey sounds too flat which i dont like.

[callas01]

well you have to remember that Energy speakers are Linear(balanced) and so you won't get the bass popping out over the mid-range, and you wont get highs that scream at you. perhaps you can look at the Pioneer SC line, and see if that receiver helps to get you the highs that you want so they don't sound so laiback.

[BigAl87]

Originally Posted by darshanjoshi

I think i am missing the dynamics and punch. I find them too laid back. Audyssey sounds too flat which i dont like.

Why run audissey to listen to your music in stereo?

I just don't understand what you are trying to achieve here, set this with some RCA interconnects and play with positioning of your speakers, Have you tried analog mode for music?

I mean an IA does not have room correction persay, you play around to find the best position for your speakers, Now I see you run audissey while you are looking at IA without any kind of room correction room correction, why let audissey decide what is good for you for music?

Please give us details on what exactly what you want to do with your system.

Have you look at the products I mentioned, I really want to help but give us details.
I know you are working on a budget, I know you want more puch, do you have enpugh highs and mids? Are you talking in movies or for muisic?

[darshanjoshi]

Originally Posted by callas01

well you have to remember that Energy speakers are Linear(balanced) and so you won't get the bass popping out over the mid-range, and you wont get highs that scream at you. perhaps you can look at the Pioneer SC line, and see if that receiver helps to get you the highs that you want so they don't sound so laiback.

I dont want to try AVR anymore. Any suggestions for a $500-$700 Intergrated Amp or Pre+Power Amp

[BigAl87]

Originally Posted by callas01

well you have to remember that Energy speakers are Linear(balanced) and so you won't get the bass popping out over the mid-range, and you wont get highs that scream at you. perhaps you can look at the Pioneer SC line, and see if that receiver helps to get you the highs that you want so they don't sound so laiback.

Is the OP taking about movies or Music?

The RC can throwe a fair amount of bass Steve, they throw alot more than you can think, the RC-30 throw more bass than the C-300 and C-500 RC-50 more than the C-500 by far, he should be able to get some serious puch out of those even of linear like you say, they are not nearly as flat sounding as some Kef IQ they are dynamic enough, you would be surprised if you actually heard them.

to say a 8 ohm speaker is easy to drive is not always true, in fact most audiophile stuff is 4ohms stable and normaly drives more power at 4 ohms so for the RC-50 you need serious power to drive them properly.

[BigAl87]

Originally Posted by darshanjoshi

I dont want to try AVR anymore. Any suggestions for a $500-$700 Intergrated Amp or Pre+Power Amp

??

What do you mean, are you using your avr for music?

then try your Maratz in direct analog mode no audissey as if it was an IA. A good old pair of RCA cables.


What cd player do you use?

[darshanjoshi]

Originally Posted by darshanjoshi

I dont want to try AVR anymore. Any suggestions for a $500-$700 Intergrated Amp or Pre+Power Amp

My usage is 70% music. Place where i stay, i dont have a return policy so would not like to try an AVR. As i see the reviews, dedicated amp can do much better for music.

[darshanjoshi]

Originally Posted by BigAl87

??

What do you mean, are you using your avr for music?

then try your Maratz in direct analog mode no audissey as if it was an IA. A good old pair of RCA cables.


What cd player do you use?

I use Sony and LG DVDP. Analog section does not look impressive. I think i will try dedicated CDP.

[BigAl87]

Originally Posted by darshanjoshi

My usage is 70% music. Place where i stay, i dont have a return policy so would not like to try an AVR. As i see the reviews, dedicated amp can do much better for music.

OK Rule of Thumb for music speand as much as you speaker retail price.

What is avalble to you in India?

Plot # 1, Industrial Area N.I.T.
Faridabad, Haryana
India
121001
+91 129 2233915/16/17 - +91 981 0296689

Is this in your area?

[BigAl87]

Originally Posted by darshanjoshi

I use Sony and LG DVDP. Analog section does not look impressive. I think i will try dedicated CDP.

Even those you could put an Arcam Dac and you would be set, your source is not good for your speakers, an rDAC like I own is 500$ so optical to the DAC and analoa to the IA or AVR would give you amazing sound even coming from a sony or LG DVD player.

Now I think you could use your AVR no Audissey in Aanalog. that DAC is a great investment. I have heard the RC-70 on an HK receiver AVR and sounded beautiful. their is no reason not to try analog section of you avr the source is bad no matter what even if you use optical or HDMI it wont sound any better than analog for music, set your analog section on a different source on your AVR for now and try to see what it does for music.

[BigAl87]

Originally Posted by darshanjoshi

My usage is 70% music. Place where i stay, i dont have a return policy so would not like to try an AVR. As i see the reviews, dedicated amp can do much better for music.

Originally Posted by darshanjoshi

I use Sony and LG DVDP. Analog section does not look impressive. I think i will try dedicated CDP.

I really want to try to help you with your current setup I think it's possible to make those RC-50 sing even with the Marantz but of course when I start talking serious gear to perform their best is a good amp.

Now I really suggest you to find out what it does in analog and we will go from there. then you could spend money on a DAC instead of CD player.

[darshanjoshi]

Originally Posted by BigAl87

OK Rule of Thumb for music speand as much as you speaker retail price.

What is avalble to you in India?

Plot # 1, Industrial Area N.I.T.
Faridabad, Haryana
India
121001
+91 129 2233915/16/17 - +91 981 0296689

Is this in your area?

This address is very far. Is the place for Arcam DAC?

I just tried Pre Out section from 5005 to my 17 year old Sony Stereo Bookself System (20wpc) and they sound absolutely fabulous. This is a hell of stereo system. Only limitation is i cannot blast them.

[BigAl87]

Originally Posted by darshanjoshi

This address is very far. Is the place for Arcam DAC?

I just tried Pre Out section from 5005 to my 17 year old Sony Stereo Bookself System (20wpc) and they sound absolutely fabulous. This is a hell of stereo system. Only limitation is i cannot blast them.

I don't know what was the purpose of that are your speaker hooking up with RCA?

Yes this is the place for Arcam but you could do some research for some high end gear near you, I have to tell you that I am positive that you could make the RC-50 sound good on your AVR but trust me and hook the analog section of DVD player to your AVR you can leave the HDMI connected.

Not only Arcam makes DAC, Cambridge makes a decent one that would work fine.

Try hooking up the output of your DVD plyer to the CD analog of your avr and find out what this does for music.

Makes no sense that your sony sound better than RC.


Here is a list of Cambridge dealers in India.

http://www.cambridgeaudio.com/dealers.php

I am sure there must be one in your area if you have some decent dynamics with analog then I will say get the Magic DAC from Cambridge and you will love it.

[lojack1976]

Originally Posted by darshanjoshi

This address is very far. Is the place for Arcam DAC?

I just tried Pre Out section from 5005 to my 17 year old Sony Stereo Bookself System (20wpc) and they sound absolutely fabulous. This is a hell of stereo system. Only limitation is i cannot blast them.

Well, Sony speakers sound vastly different from Energy speakers, but I'm thinking something else is at play as here. Your RC-50's can probably use more power than the SR5005 is putting out. That receiver is more than plenty for the Sony's and it will make them sound as good they can possibly sound, but the RC-50's could use more. My suggestion would be to add a 2-channel amp.

Your idea of going with an integrated amp isn't a bad one, but I'm thinking that you will have to spend a good amount of money to get one with enough power to give you what you're looking for. Frankly, I think that's the wrong route to go with those speakers. Most people use an integrated with bookshelf speakers which can use a good amount of power, but not nearly what a tower such as the RC-50 can use.

I think you should either add a 2-channel amp to your receiver to push those speakers or upgrade to a much more powerful receiver such as the Pioneer SC-35 or an Onkyo TX-NR1009 or higher. You can look at Integra as well if there are any dealers in your area. These receivers will give you great dynamics and power. Adding an amp is probably the more cost effective way to go, but either of these solutions will open those speakers up a lot more for you IMHO.

[darshanjoshi]

Originally Posted by lojack1976

Well, Sony speakers sound vastly different from Energy speakers, but I'm thinking something else is at play as here. Your RC-50's can probably use more power than the SR5005 is putting out. That receiver is more than plenty for the Sony's and it will make them sound as good they can possibly sound, but the RC-50's could use more. My suggestion would be to add a 2-channel amp.

Your idea of going with an integrated amp isn't a bad one, but I'm thinking that you will have to spend a good amount of money to get one with enough power to give you what you're looking for. Frankly, I think that's the wrong route to go with those speakers. Most people use an integrated with bookshelf speakers which can use a good amount of power, but not nearly what a tower such as the RC-50 can use.

I think you should either add a 2-channel amp to your receiver to push those speakers or upgrade to a much more powerful receiver such as the Pioneer SC-35 or an Onkyo TX-NR1009 or higher. You can look at Integra as well if there are any dealers in your area. These receivers will give you great dynamics and power. Adding an amp is probably the more cost effective way to go, but either of these solutions will open those speakers up a lot more for you IMHO.

Thanks for the suggestion.

[darshanjoshi]

Originally Posted by BigAl87

I don't know what was the purpose of that are your speaker hooking up with RCA?

Yes this is the place for Arcam but you could do some research for some high end gear near you, I have to tell you that I am positive that you could make the RC-50 sound good on your AVR but trust me and hook the analog section of DVD player to your AVR you can leave the HDMI connected.

Not only Arcam makes DAC, Cambridge makes a decent one that would work fine.

Try hooking up the output of your DVD plyer to the CD analog of your avr and find out what this does for music.

Makes no sense that your sony sound better than RC.


Here is a list of Cambridge dealers in India.

http://www.cambridgeaudio.com/dealers.php

I am sure there must be one in your area if you have some decent dynamics with analog then I will say get the Magic DAC from Cambridge and you will love it.

Analog section is not sounding different. I cannot hear much difference. I will explore DAC options and keep posted. Thank for the sugesstion.

One thing i noticed in pre out of 5005 is that it acts like a Pre Amp and Pre Out. All the functions like bass, treble, audyssey, volume control, etc are applicable to pre outs.

Will it help if i add 2 ch power amp to pre outs for music?

[tang7969]

Originally Posted by callas01

well you have to remember that Energy speakers are Linear(balanced) and so you won't get the bass popping out over the mid-range, and you wont get highs that scream at you. perhaps you can look at the Pioneer SC line, and see if that receiver helps to get you the highs that you want so they don't sound so laiback.

I agree about the Pioneer SC line. I have the SC-25 paired up with RC-50's and it sounds fantastic!! It really made a big difference coming from the Pi0 VSX-01. I definitely hear more highs using the SC-25!! It is a great rcvr!

[callas01]

Originally Posted by lojack1976

Well, Sony speakers sound vastly different from Energy speakers, but I'm thinking something else is at play as here. Your RC-50's can probably use more power than the SR5005 is putting out. That receiver is more than plenty for the Sony's and it will make them sound as good they can possibly sound, but the RC-50's could use more. My suggestion would be to add a 2-channel amp.

Your idea of going with an integrated amp isn't a bad one, but I'm thinking that you will have to spend a good amount of money to get one with enough power to give you what you're looking for. Frankly, I think that's the wrong route to go with those speakers. Most people use an integrated with bookshelf speakers which can use a good amount of power, but not nearly what a tower such as the RC-50 can use.

I think you should either add a 2-channel amp to your receiver to push those speakers or upgrade to a much more powerful receiver such as the Pioneer SC-35 or an Onkyo TX-NR1009 or higher. You can look at Integra as well if there are any dealers in your area. These receivers will give you great dynamics and power. Adding an amp is probably the more cost effective way to go, but either of these solutions will open those speakers up a lot more for you IMHO.

Jack, IAs are easily as effective as receivers. Take the Naim XS, its only 95 wpc and I heard it power the Dynaudio Focus 220 MKIIs with ease, we turned the knob only 1/4 of the way. It provided a ton of dynamic range. I heard the Octave V70SE (70 wpc) power the Dalis, Dynaudios, MLs, T+As, Areial's, and Revel Ulitma Studios. I heard the Octave V40 (40 wpc) power totems, Dynaudios, Dalis with ease. I heard MacIntosh IA Paradigm Studio 60s.... should I go on. Most well built IAs have oversized power supplies and very good transformers, and excellent amp sections in addition to great analog preamp sections. The Naim Nait 5i (45wpc) can easily power the Excite X32s, if it can power the 32s itll power the RC50s.

On this site, SeanMF and rded are using IAs to power Dynaudio Sapphires. You can ask them what they think of 70 and 80 wpc powering their speakers, and I can guarantee you that they will say it provides plenty of power and dynamic range.

Be careful with that statement.

[callas01]

Originally Posted by BigAl87

Is the OP taking about movies or Music?

The RC can throwe a fair amount of bass Steve, they throw alot more than you can think, the RC-30 throw more bass than the C-300 and C-500 RC-50 more than the C-500 by far, he should be able to get some serious puch out of those even of linear like you say, they are not nearly as flat sounding as some Kef IQ they are dynamic enough, you would be surprised if you actually heard them.

to say a 8 ohm speaker is easy to drive is not always true, in fact most audiophile stuff is 4ohms stable and normaly drives more power at 4 ohms so for the RC-50 you need serious power to drive them properly.

just because Energy speakers are linear, doesn't mean they cant throw out good bass when its called for. The Excites are very linear also, as well as the Contours, however if the source material(music for example) has high levels of bass, the speakers will still produce that bass... and it will sound good, deep and tight. However the bass will not be overproduced, that is what is meant by linear or balanced. If you take the Monitor Audio RS6s, they always have bass. Its built in as a mid-bass bump typically found around the 100 hz mark. this provides them with a great punch, and whether the source material has the bass or not, there will always be a greater sense of bass then what is actually recorded. Then when you hear the highs on the RS6s, they are a touch forward. Not bright, but aggressive.... this is a very dynamic speaker, but its certianly not linear.

not everyone wants linear speakers. That is why so many people like the Focus line over the Excites, they get a more dynamic presentation over the Excites. To each their own. But the Excites can still throw out deep bass.