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WeApOn · 06-05-2009, 02:50 AM

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Originally Posted by blitz6speed

I used 800 degrees to get the YLOD fixed. 200 on both sides of the board at first, 500 across the top, then 800 on cpu/gpu 30 seconda a piece in a swirl motion, 2 times per chip, then 15 seconds per chip once, then cooled it down to 500 on both chips for 10 seconds, then 200 on the chips and then the rest of the board. Let sit for 25-30 min. Then apply nice thin coat of arctic silver 5 all over the gpu/cpu and put it back together.

Worked awesomely.

One of the videos I saw doesn't heat the entire board, only 800 degrees to the chips.

WriteSimply · 06-05-2009, 04:34 PM

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Originally Posted by WeApOn

I was also told to "use liquid flux". What does this mean exactly? Where am I supposed to apply liquid flux, and where could I buy some?

From CuriousInventor.com

A flux is a compound that will make soldering two metal parts/wires/PCBs a little easier. The regular type is a paste and dark brown in color. The liquid type comes in many types, according to a electronics shop assistant/resident guru that I went to, and the one that I bought is clear.

Since the theory of reflowing the YLOD PS3 is that the RXS and Cell have become detached from the motherboard, you apply it around the area of those two chips ON THE MOTHERBOARD. Don't apply on the chips.

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Anyone tried using this technique?(If I recall Writesimply may have mentioned this previously)

The liquid flux above was recommended on the Afterdawn Forum users who have applied it on his YLOD PS3 AFTER repeated reflow effort seems to bring unsatisfactory result (didn't last long). Here's another blklotus post.

I'm going to do it myself with my YLOD as soon as I can find time during the day to do it.

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Originally Posted by Uxi

The PDF instructions say to set for 350, but most of the guns I'm seeing on Home Depot's page, for example, only do 750 or 1000 degrees, which is way hotter than the 350 specified. I see a Ryobi that does 200°, 500°, 800°, and 1100°... Would this one be good?

I believe the PDF instructions are in Celsius not Fahrenheit, since the writer is someone who lives in the UK.

For future reference, please indicate Fahrenheit/Celcius temperature in your posts about reflowing. This applies to all, not just to Uxi.

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Originally Posted by WeApOn

One of the videos I saw doesn't heat the entire board, only 800 degrees to the chips.

djwhetzel was the first one who did the full video. gilksy did the second, which has 10 parts. Both methods are different in their execution of the reflow.

fuad

Wreck · 06-05-2009, 05:30 PM

I saw the video that had 2 parts each around 10 minutes ...

I thought to myself, Here this guy is saying he did this 3 months ago and now is having to do it again ..... Probably because he isnt doing something right, or not doing a quality job ... so I wont bother with all that, and bought the service from what looks to be a guy with some very professional tools.

WeApOn · 06-05-2009, 07:30 PM

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Originally Posted by WriteSimply

Since the theory of reflowing the YLOD PS3 is that the RXS and Cell have become detached from the motherboard, you apply it around the area of those two chips ON THE MOTHERBOARD. Don't apply on the chips.

So pour it directly on the board underneath the chips?

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I'm going to do it myself with my YLOD as soon as I can find time during the day to do it.

I will be trying this method over the weekend, I'll repost with my results.

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djwhetzel was the first one who did the full video. gilksy did the second, which has 10 parts. Both methods are different in their execution of the reflow.

Which way is preferred? I haven't seen many people mention this. Is it a better idea to heat the whole board first, then the areas? Or just the areas themselves?

Lastly, I had read through that afterdawn forum and I saw the talk about bending the prongs... are these the prongs that are on the side that keep the metal piece on top of the board?

Thanks for all the info!

blitz6speed · 06-05-2009, 08:03 PM

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Originally Posted by WeApOn

So pour it directly on the board underneath the chips?

I will be trying this method over the weekend, I'll repost with my results.

Which way is preferred? I haven't seen many people mention this. Is it a better idea to heat the whole board first, then the areas? Or just the areas themselves?

Lastly, I had read through that afterdawn forum and I saw the talk about bending the prongs... are these the prongs that are on the side that keep the metal piece on top of the board?

Thanks for all the info!

I used djwhetzel and it worked. Just make SURE to use Arctic Silver 5 for your thermal paste, and get the arctic silver paste remover 1 & 2 to clean up the surface before applying it.

Psx0005 · 06-05-2009, 11:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Wreck

Well, I just bought the service for the YLOD from the ebay user JD thats in the OP.

I'll let you guys know how it goes ... He had some very nice feedback in regards to fixing PS3's.

Alot of people even were quoted as to saying "Sony shouldnt even be an option, JD should be their first choice!"

With shipping its 89.99 then however much it cost me to ship to him. (he's based in Michigan)

So wish me luck!

Sadly, my refurb 60GB from Sony just went the YLOD route just this past week. Just Paypal'ed JD myself and sent off my PS3 UPS today. As cashflow is really not all that great, had to settle for ground (usually 3-4 days) shipping so JD should be getting my unit by Wednesday. Hope I get my PS3 back soon

WriteSimply · 06-06-2009, 01:43 AM

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Originally Posted by WeApOn

So pour it directly on the board underneath the chips?

Yep. Be cautious: the Cell chip as a square hole underneath it. For that chip, have a cloth to wipe up the residue underneath.

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I will be trying this method over the weekend, I'll repost with my results.

I tried the liquid flux on an unused PCB board. No unusual stuff happens - as in, it didn't smoke or catch fire - but there is a slight residue left on the board.

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Which way is preferred? I haven't seen many people mention this. Is it a better idea to heat the whole board first, then the areas? Or just the areas themselves?

I tried djwhetzel's method first and that lasted over 1 month. gilksy's method last me 1 week, but I think that's because of reflowing once too many.

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Lastly, I had read through that afterdawn forum and I saw the talk about bending the prongs... are these the prongs that are on the side that keep the metal piece on top of the board?

The prongs are the two metal pieces that gets screwed to the board and heatsink. The theory is to bend it so that they clamp tighter. Haven't tried this myself. So I'll try this one too.

fuad

Uxi · 06-06-2009, 06:17 PM

Ah yeah, wasn't thinking celsius.

I'm starting to think Sony is going to be paying lots of people back for YLOD repairs if/when a class action hits. Right now, I'm thinking do a DIY repair so I can do another backup (otherwise I'm going to lose Rag Doll Kung Fu since it's not free anymore and wasn't showing up red/purchased on my PSN after

). As well as the general inconvenience. THEN send off to Sony for the "permanent" repair/swap.

WriteSimply · 06-07-2009, 02:49 AM

Well, my YLOD fix have been running for five hours now, mostly downloading the E3 videos and doing nothing else. I did the liquid flux, reflow and bending the clamps. Since I also accidentally took off the RSX metal top - those CoolMaster ThermalFusion is REALLY sticky - I had to be careful not to flip the motherboard.

I bought a dud of a thermal paste - it wasn't spreadable at all probably because it's past its due date - so I ended putting just a small blob of the ThermalFusion + a light coating of the dud paste and it's seems to be holding up.

Reflowed the chips using djwhetzel's method but didn't do the bottom warming up due to the RSX-metal top problem. Put an extra 30 seconds, making the total treatment 3 minutes, on both chips.

fuad

WeApOn · 06-08-2009, 01:24 PM

Glad to hear you got it up and running, hopefully it stays for you!

I've been looking through various stores here in the States, and nobody has any idea where to find Liquid Flux.

Is it a better idea for me to purchase online?

WriteSimply · 06-08-2009, 02:18 PM

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Originally Posted by WeApOn

Is it a better idea for me to purchase online?

If it's not available locally, why not? It is not the stuff that you can find in Best Buy for example. It's for hobbyists of DIY electronics and the pros on the job. So that's the kind of stores you want to go to - electronic parts store where you can find soldering equipment.

fuad

WeApOn · 06-08-2009, 05:46 PM

Spent awhile today calling local electronics and computer stores, no liquid flux anywhere.

At this point, I'll either not use it, or order online. Regardless, is there any recommended brand, or will any "liquid solder flux" do the job?

blitz6speed · 06-09-2009, 02:14 AM

The system i fixed is still running strong. Did about 10 hours of Folding @ Home today on it, and i am downloading the Uncharted 2 Beta to it now. Strong machine.

WriteSimply · 06-09-2009, 08:04 AM

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Originally Posted by WeApOn

At this point, I'll either not use it, or order online. Regardless, is there any recommended brand, or will any "liquid solder flux" do the job?

See what blklotus (from AfterDawn) use on his machines. I use a non-brand OEM stuff that I found here. For about US$3 and at 250ml, I don't know what else I need to use it for!

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Originally Posted by blitz6speed

The system i fixed is still running strong. Did about 10 hours of Folding @ Home today on it, and i am downloading the Uncharted 2 Beta to it now. Strong machine.

Hope you don't have to open it ever again.

fuad

WeApOn · 06-09-2009, 01:10 PM

Just ordered this liquid flux pen.

It's water soluble, hopefully no issues with that. Cost $10 with shipping.

Wreck · 06-09-2009, 06:33 PM

Hey guys figured id update you all ... Yesterday I got the call from JD ... System is unrepairable ... Got immediate paypal refund whilst on the phone and he even shipped off that day as I got UPS email confirmation ....

SO overall, great service .... just wish I coulda got my 60 gig fixed.

One of the chips was fried.

Psx0005 · 06-10-2009, 12:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Wreck

Hey guys figured id update you all ... Yesterday I got the call from JD ... System is unrepairable ... Got immediate paypal refund whilst on the phone and he even shipped off that day as I got UPS email confirmation ....

SO overall, great service .... just wish I coulda got my 60 gig fixed.

One of the chips was fried.

My condolences

Give Sony a try? My unit is still on its way to JD but I am willing to bet my chip is most likely fried as well. Guess I'll find out soon enough.

Marine Mike · 06-10-2009, 12:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Wreck

Hey guys figured id update you all ... Yesterday I got the call from JD ... System is unrepairable ... Got immediate paypal refund whilst on the phone and he even shipped off that day as I got UPS email confirmation ....

SO overall, great service .... just wish I coulda got my 60 gig fixed.

One of the chips was fried.

Bright side is that he immeadiately refunded your payment and shipped it back to you.

Granted it didn't resolve your issue, but at least he didn't charge you and pretend that he fixed it or waited a long time to let you know he couldn't and withhold the refund.

WriteSimply · 06-10-2009, 01:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Wreck

One of the chips was fried.

He can't fix it but Sony can. So long as it is put back together nicely, SCE would give it a new mobo. Be prepared to spend US$150.

fuad

sega_smasher · 06-10-2009, 06:07 AM

question for whoever has the answer,

i have a 60gig console, i notice it gets pretty damn loud under intense action (i.e. InFamous) and it bugs me a bit. i've already took a vaccume to the case (carefully) and got a ton of dust out (mind you i had it for about 2 years, using it almost daily and never serviced it like this before) now i heard of this "Fan Test" thing... i've heard good and bad things from it.

will doing this help me get dust out that is more inside my system? or will it damage my fans or other internal parts?

i really dont want to open my ps3 to clean it so any response would be sweet. thanks.

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06-05-2009, 05:30 PM	#523
Wreck Blu-ray Guru Member since:Jan 2008 Location:H-town To Indy PSNetwork: HERETOWRECK Trophy Level: (12) Blu-ray collection:249 Blu-ray reviews:7 Trading Score:58	I saw the video that had 2 parts each around 10 minutes ... I thought to myself, Here this guy is saying he did this 3 months ago and now is having to do it again ..... Probably because he isnt doing something right, or not doing a quality job ... so I wont bother with all that, and bought the service from what looks to be a guy with some very professional tools.

06-06-2009, 06:17 PM	#528
Uxi Blu-ray Ninja Member since:Aug 2007 Location:Southern California 4K collection:14 Blu-ray collection:191 Blu-ray reviews:9	Ah yeah, wasn't thinking celsius. I'm starting to think Sony is going to be paying lots of people back for YLOD repairs if/when a class action hits. Right now, I'm thinking do a DIY repair so I can do another backup (otherwise I'm going to lose Rag Doll Kung Fu since it's not free anymore and wasn't showing up red/purchased on my PSN after ). As well as the general inconvenience. THEN send off to Sony for the "permanent" repair/swap.

06-07-2009, 02:49 AM	#529
WriteSimply Blu-ray Ninja Member since:Sep 2006 Location:Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia	Well, my YLOD fix have been running for five hours now, mostly downloading the E3 videos and doing nothing else. I did the liquid flux, reflow and bending the clamps. Since I also accidentally took off the RSX metal top - those CoolMaster ThermalFusion is REALLY sticky - I had to be careful not to flip the motherboard. I bought a dud of a thermal paste - it wasn't spreadable at all probably because it's past its due date - so I ended putting just a small blob of the ThermalFusion + a light coating of the dud paste and it's seems to be holding up. Reflowed the chips using djwhetzel's method but didn't do the bottom warming up due to the RSX-metal top problem. Put an extra 30 seconds, making the total treatment 3 minutes, on both chips. fuad

06-08-2009, 01:24 PM	#530
WeApOn Special Member Member since:Aug 2006 Location:Rhode Island, USA	Glad to hear you got it up and running, hopefully it stays for you! I've been looking through various stores here in the States, and nobody has any idea where to find Liquid Flux. Is it a better idea for me to purchase online?

06-08-2009, 05:46 PM	#532
WeApOn Special Member Member since:Aug 2006 Location:Rhode Island, USA	Spent awhile today calling local electronics and computer stores, no liquid flux anywhere. At this point, I'll either not use it, or order online. Regardless, is there any recommended brand, or will any "liquid solder flux" do the job?

06-09-2009, 02:14 AM	#533
blitz6speed Blu-ray Guru Member since:Oct 2006 Location:Anaheim Hills, CA Trading Score:8	The system i fixed is still running strong. Did about 10 hours of Folding @ Home today on it, and i am downloading the Uncharted 2 Beta to it now. Strong machine.

06-09-2009, 01:10 PM	#535
WeApOn Special Member Member since:Aug 2006 Location:Rhode Island, USA	Just ordered this liquid flux pen. It's water soluble, hopefully no issues with that. Cost $10 with shipping.

06-09-2009, 06:33 PM	#536
Wreck Blu-ray Guru Member since:Jan 2008 Location:H-town To Indy PSNetwork: HERETOWRECK Trophy Level: (12) Blu-ray collection:249 Blu-ray reviews:7 Trading Score:58	Hey guys figured id update you all ... Yesterday I got the call from JD ... System is unrepairable ... Got immediate paypal refund whilst on the phone and he even shipped off that day as I got UPS email confirmation .... SO overall, great service .... just wish I coulda got my 60 gig fixed. One of the chips was fried.

06-10-2009, 06:07 AM	#540
sega_smasher Blu-ray Guru Member since:Jul 2007 Location:Santa Monica, CA PSN: SecretAgentHam Blu-ray collection:103 Trading Score:1	question for whoever has the answer, i have a 60gig console, i notice it gets pretty damn loud under intense action (i.e. InFamous) and it bugs me a bit. i've already took a vaccume to the case (carefully) and got a ton of dust out (mind you i had it for about 2 years, using it almost daily and never serviced it like this before) now i heard of this "Fan Test" thing... i've heard good and bad things from it. will doing this help me get dust out that is more inside my system? or will it damage my fans or other internal parts? i really dont want to open my ps3 to clean it so any response would be sweet. thanks.

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