Offical Neon Genesis Evangelion Info/Update Thread

[ps3bd_owner]

Originally Posted by SpaceDandy

Except that the image is always re-adjusted at playback to be 4:3 unless you messed up your option. On my PC it display correctly as well so maybe change playback software.

It's adjusted correctly per its resolution, so it's down to the oddness of 720x576.

[gundamcero]

Originally Posted by ps3bd_owner

Does Shout Factory have the rights to release the newer Evangelion movies on BD?

No.

[BigOnAnime]

Originally Posted by ps3bd_owner

Does Shout Factory have the rights to release the newer Evangelion movies on BD?

Originally Posted by GKIDS

We only hold distribution rights to the series, EVANGELION: DEATH (TRUE)² and THE END OF EVANGELION. Some of the rebuild films have been released on Blu-ray under another distributor.

https://twitter.com/GKIDSfilms/statu...52969155911681

[nabelnabel]

Hmm... didn't they say before that the rights of the rebuild films were "with another distributor" - opening the possibility that they might no longer be with Funimation? But now they're specifically talking about the blu-rays that have already been released...

[Member-571539]

Originally Posted by nabelnabel

Hmm... didn't they say before that the rights of the rebuild films were "with another distributor" - opening the possibility that they might no longer be with Funimation? But now they're specifically talking about the blu-rays that have already been released...

The other distributors in question were Amazon for streaming and Funimation for physical (even though their rights have mostly lapsed, by this point.)

Originally Posted by gloomranger

Worth noting for GKIDS’ response.

https://twitter.com/gkidsfilms/statu...996030470?s=21

“Just want to confirm, none of the editions include the 4 Eva rebuild movies correct?”

The simplest answer is thus: GKIDS don’t have the license to the Rebuild films in any capacity.

[starsteam]

The home video rights for 3.0 + 1.0 probably aren't available for international licensing yet anyway. If Funimation is losing rights to the first three films then maybe Khara isn't licensing them until all of the rights have reverted back. Streaming (non-VOD) excluded with the OG series on Netflix and the Rebuilds on Amazon.

The home video rights should be up for the highest bidder again someday. I guess.

[Tylerfan]

Off topic but Happy 30th to Nirvana’s “Nevermind” and Happy 25th to Weezer’s “Pinkerton”!

[isamu]

Originally Posted by King Crimson

This list is indictive of my personal enjoyment and favoritism not necessarily artistic quality.

Top 10 Anime Movies

1. Macross Plus: Movie Edition
2. Evangelion: 3.0+1.0 Thrice Upon a Time
3. Akira
4. Ghost in the Shell
5. Ninja Scroll
6. Mobile Suit Gundam: Char's Counterattack
7. Mobile Suit Gundam: Encounters in Space
8. Gurren Lagann the Movie: The Lights in the Sky Are Stars
9. The End of Evangelion
10. Dragon Ball Z: Fusion Reborn

Quite a respectable list there! But where's Macross: Do you remember love?

[Xtempo]

Would this ever go UHD. the possibility for rebuild is there but what about the series? I'd just be happy if I got something out of this release.

[SpaceDandy]

Not really. NGE was produced on 16mm. 4K would not bring much if any new details out of the OCN. The opening is the only content that may gain from a 4K remaster, as it was produced on 35mm. I'm not sure for Revival of Evangelion but, to my understanding, the Blu-Ray does not bring much in comparison to the japanese DVD so it has probably peaked as well.

Originally Posted by ps3bd_owner

It's adjusted correctly per its resolution, so it's down to the oddness of 720x576.

It is just down to how the data is sampled. I don't know what you're trying to prove at this point, the rest of the Internet and professionals will back up what I just stated previously.

[Herry Dunston]

https://www.imdb.com/title/tt2458948/technical

If the specs are true, the movies are sourced in 2kDI. Which tends to be the standard for anime films, with exceptions. Khara would have to re-rendering all of its source files to have a film natively mastered at 4K for home video release. A time-consuming task, I'm sure. Otherwise, it would just be upscaled, and who's to say the films would look better in HDR (it was listed as Dolby Vision, so the potential is there).

[Kyle15]

Originally Posted by SpaceDandy

Not really. NGE was produced on 16mm. 4K would not bring much if any new details out of the OCN. The opening is the only content that may gain from a 4K remaster, as it was produced on 35mm. I'm not sure for Revival of Evangelion but, to my understanding, the Blu-Ray does not bring much in comparison to the japanese DVD so it has probably peaked as well.

Cue "HDR is crayons" "it's animation who cares" etc etc

[Kyle15]

Originally Posted by Herry Dunston

https://www.imdb.com/title/tt2458948/technical

If the specs are true, the movies are sourced in 2kDI. Which tends to be the standard for anime films, with exceptions. Khara would have to re-rendering all of its source files to have a film natively mastered at 4K for home video release. A time-consuming task, I'm sure. Otherwise, it would just be upscaled, and who's to say the films would look better in HDR (it was listed as Dolby Vision, so the potential is there).

They actually just did a recomposite of 3.33 and released it earlier this month. It doesn't have HDR but it's in the 2020 color space though.
The first two will likely follow.

[ultimatemegax]

Originally Posted by Herry Dunston

https://www.imdb.com/title/tt2458948/technical

If the specs are true, the movies are sourced in 2kDI. Which tends to be the standard for anime films, with exceptions. Khara would have to re-rendering all of its source files to have a film natively mastered at 4K for home video release. A time-consuming task, I'm sure. Otherwise, it would just be upscaled, and who's to say the films would look better in HDR (it was listed as Dolby Vision, so the potential is there).

A correction: Likely only 3.333 and the final film were mastered in 2k and upscaled for any IMAX/4k screenings. The home video release of 3.333 has a little pamphlet that details that 3.0 was originally mastered at 720p and likely the same for 2.0. 1.0 would either be at that resolution or at 480p depending on the production workflow at that time as many digital series were shifting between 480p and 720p.

I will comment how 3.333 does look much sharper than 3.33 and doesn't have signs of upscaling when I watched the UHD-BD version. The lighting and colors (what little there is in 3.333) looked really good and I didn't notice banding issues like 3.33 had.

[professorwho]

Originally Posted by SpaceDandy

Not really. NGE was produced on 16mm. 4K would not bring much if any new details out of the OCN. The opening is the only content that may gain from a 4K remaster, as it was produced on 35mm. I'm not sure for Revival of Evangelion but, to my understanding, the Blu-Ray does not bring much in comparison to the japanese DVD so it has probably peaked as well.

I seriously disagree. It’s true that 16mm at 4K is pushing it, but you will be gaining more detail by scanning at as high a resolution as you can. It’s simple: scan as high as you can, regardless of what it is until you hit the point of diminishing returns.

But that isn’t even the reason I disagree. It’s because Sony PCL scanned Eva wrong. It’s oddly blurry, and not in a DNR kind of way (though there certainly has been some de-graining applied)… no, it’s been scanned on a scanner that wasn’t properly calibrated with correct settings. As a result, the raw scans, and subsequent restoration have a blurry appearance not associated with DNR, but with incorrect scanning. Enigmo pointed that out to me with Zeta Gundam (it’s true, Zeta is blurry, and while it has DNR, even in “grainy” areas, it is still blurry, proving it is a bad scan), and I think the same is true with Eva.

[Herry Dunston]

We just have to wait and see if Khara is willing to take the time to remaster all four films to be UHD-ready. If they already did for You Can (not) Redo (and apparently, they COULD redo it) and have plans for Thrice Upon a Time's forthcoming home video release--even if both are essentially upscales, it's a question of whether they have the resources to properly remaster the first two films. It's been almost 15 years at most with the two, so I don't expect these to be easy or even accomplishable.

[Kyle15]

Originally Posted by professorwho

I seriously disagree. It’s true that 16mm at 4K is pushing it, but you will be gaining more detail by scanning at as high a resolution as you can. It’s simple: scan as high as you can, regardless of what it is until you hit the point of diminishing returns.

But that isn’t even the reason I disagree. It’s because Sony PCL scanned Eva wrong. It’s oddly blurry, and not in a DNR kind of way (though there certainly has been some de-graining applied)… no, it’s been scanned on a scanner that wasn’t properly calibrated with correct settings. As a result, the raw scans, and subsequent restoration have a blurry appearance not associated with DNR, but with incorrect scanning. Enigmo pointed that out to me with Zeta Gundam (it’s true, Zeta is blurry, and while it has DNR, even in “grainy” areas, it is still blurry, proving it is a bad scan), and I think the same is true with Eva.

Pulling as much info as possible would yield a more physical look to the animation. People tend to forget that cels and backgrounds are physical objects. While it's not "live action" footage, the incentive to do right by the material is totally there. The series in 4k would look absolutely delicious if done with a proper, tender hand. And then there's EoE...oh my god it's goosebump inducing to think about.

[Taikero]

I would absolutely support the idea of a 4K scan for Neon Genesis Evangelion, if for no other reason than preserving as much detail as possible for an iconic anime property. Better to overscan rather than underscan anyway, even if 16mm doesn't see a big detail boost from a 4K scan.

More old shows should have this done, where possible. Once the original source(s) degrades, that's it. Look at how hard it is to get decent scans of really old films now. Much easier to preserve things sooner rather than later.

[EvilMoose]

I would imagine that any attempt to release NGE or the Rebuilds in a newer physical format than Blu-ray would be almost entirely for the purpose of keeping it available on modern platforms, and that's IF we continue to get physical media for a good while longer.

Not entirely hopeless that it'll happen, of course, as I'm hearing that the profitability of streaming services in general has been diminishing of late. I imagine discs (or SOME form of physical media) will always be available, if only due to the idea that many distributors may not see digital-exclusivity as the most reliable avenue for profit.

[Taikero]

Digital-only distribution of entertainment content is unlikely for at least the next 10-20 years, if not longer. Internet is still spotty in many areas, or slow. Many devices come with low on-board storage (Hi Nintendo Switch with 32 GB built-in, and some digital Switch games exceed that storage requirement). Many consumers still like physical media that doesn't check in with a server, especially if they want to take a road trip or camping trip where internet may be entirely unavailable.

There are so many use cases for entertainment media that don't align with a digital-only paradigm that's strangled by DRM paranoia, that media companies can't feasibly implement such a thing. At least, if they want to maintain current revenue and profit growth.

Consumers can also continue to speak with their wallets. Do I sometimes buy digital content? Sure. There are valid reasons to do so when the price is right, and digital content takes up zero shelf space. However, I lean heavily toward physical content, and prefer to support that format so long as prices are relatively reasonable. Physical content also usually has resale value, whereas digital content is rather difficult or even impossible to resell. It also doesn't hurt that physical content usually has higher quality video and audio, particularly in the movie/TV show space.

In any case, I expect Neon Genesis Evangelion will continue to be released on physical media for at least a few decades more, so long as there are fans who remember it.