The Dark Knight Rises (2012)

[Extremis]

Originally Posted by SHOCKWAVE6464

My friend thought of this theory that

[Show spoiler]in the ending, Alfred was coming back to the cafe for his 6th or 7th glass of wine. He then sees a hallucination of Bruce. He then says Blake becomes Robin and forms the Teen Titans.

That's one of the stupidest interpretations I've every heard.

[42041]

Good lord I guess the editor credited way too much intelligence to the audience thinking they'd understand that a cinematic second is not necessarily a real-life second...

[Extremis]

Originally Posted by 42041

Good lord I guess the editor credited way too much intelligence to the audience thinking they'd understand that a cinematic second is not necessarily a real-life second...

No, the problem is with the audience. They're looking too deep into it and trying to find out how he survived, but that sequence was made to convince us that he was dead. It succeeded and we were tricked for a brief couple of minutes, making the ending that much more impact fil, for me atleast.

[SHOCKWAVE6464]

Originally Posted by ryan4butler

That's one of the stupidest interpretations I've every heard.

I laughed at how stupid it was.

[rickah88]

Originally Posted by 42041

Good lord I guess the editor credited way too much intelligence to the audience thinking they'd understand that a cinematic second is not necessarily a real-life second...

Source!!!

[vidjunkie]

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Thanks

[Early Memphis]

Originally Posted by ryan4butler

No, the problem is with the audience. They're looking too deep into it and trying to find out how he survived, but that sequence was made to convince us that he was dead. It succeeded and we were tricked for a brief couple of minutes, making the ending that much more impact fil, for me atleast.

Originally Posted by rickah88

Source!!!

Sorry fellas, it was just piss-poorly edited. Don't blame the audience for everything, it's condescending and cuts off reasonable discussion.

[Show spoiler]There was a countdown to detonation involved, remember? As I said before, "a mere mention of having backups of everything earlier would've sufficed to set things up" nicely - preserving the "suspension of disbelief" long enough for the audience to be "tricked" first and understand later - like the clues Nolan left explaining that it couldn't have been Bane who escaped, etc. The countdown simply doesn't allow for a "cinematic second ... not necessarily (being) a real-life second". Did the countdown seconds bend in some weird cinematic distortion defying time and space? Please ...

[The Dragon]

Originally Posted by Early Memphis

Yes, that bit was horridly edited

[Show spoiler] - to get you to think Batman/Bruce died (still - horridly edited). The only rational explanation : BatBruce was controlling a drone from the real BatPlane. If so, a mere mention of having backups of everything earlier would've sufficed to set things up. But, I agree with you : we are talking a nuclear bomb and, as edited, it was absurd.

There's a couple possibilities no one is considering:

1).

[Show spoiler]The blast where Batman is emerging from the city, flying over Blake and the kids on the bridge, is where Batman escapes The Bat, and the editing just gives you the impression he's still in the vehicle...

2).

[Show spoiler]It has been said Nolan's Batman is not of the rest of the DCMU, however, to introduce the JL, you may need to connect Gotham and so forth... So, what if-Superman saved Bats from the blast, at the very last min. We can expect something forthcoming in MOS to blow the audiences away because Marvel is off to a fine start with these end credit surprises. It wouldn't surprise me at all if something connects Supes with Wayne/Blake going forward.

[gates70]

[Show spoiler]You see him in a cockpit just before the blast. Maybe it was a shot of a Batsub detached from the Bat ?

[Extremis]

Everyone's trying to explain something that can't be explained and they blame Nolan and the editing whol it's something that shouldn't be looked into. You think that's horrible storytelling, but it worked.

[42041]

Originally Posted by Early Memphis

Sorry fellas, it was just piss-poorly edited. Don't blame the audience for everything, it's condescending and cuts off reasonable discussion.

[Show spoiler]There was a countdown to detonation involved, remember? As I said before, "a mere mention of having backups of everything earlier would've sufficed to set things up" nicely - preserving the "suspension of disbelief" long enough for the audience to be "tricked" first and understand later - like the clues Nolan left explaining that it couldn't have been Bane who escaped, etc. The countdown simply doesn't allow for a "cinematic second ... not necessarily (being) a real-life second". Did the countdown seconds bend in some weird cinematic distortion defying time and space? Please ...

Well yeah, when I call someone stupid, it's meant to be condescending. If someone is so thick and literal-minded as to not understand what Nolan was trying to do there, what reasonable discussion is there to be had

But I guess it needs to be spelled out?

[Show spoiler]1) there is nothing to indicate Batman is even in the aircraft when there's the shot of the bomb with 5 seconds on the countdown. He could've ejected over New York City, ahem, Gotham. You are being tricked. You are not seeing everything, and possibly not in sequential order 2) Yes, countdown seconds regularly "bend" in movies. It's a way of creating suspense. This isn't real. 3) It's f***ing Batman.

sheesh...

[42041]

Oh god, I just noticed another TERRIBLE piece of editing...
Just before Batman flies off with

[Show spoiler]the bomb

, and he's talking to Jim Gordon, there's a shot where Bruce Wayne is suddenly a little kid and Jim Gordon looks much younger and doesn't have glasses. How did Bruce Wayne suddenly become 30 years younger I'm not sure, but I almost think they put a scene from 2 movies ago into the new movie; how did this careless handling of time and space make it past the filmmakers

[Blu Jedi Master]

I enjoyed the The Dark Knight Rises, although I appreciated more after a second viewing. I am happy to have received the Trilogy for Christmas.

[Mandalorian]

Originally Posted by Blu Jedi Master

I enjoyed the The Dark Knight Rises, although I appreciated more after a second viewing. I am happy to have received the Trilogy for Christmas.

I agree. I liked it the first time, but my love of The Dark Knight had my expectations at an almost unachievable level, and it didn't quite meet them. It wasn't a "masterpiece" like many were quick to call it, but it wasn't a plot-holed mess like others were saying. I definitely liked it more the second time, which allowed me to look at finer details since I knew the story. Now I consider it a tie with Batman Begins, but give it a slight edge because it was very ambitious. Goyer and the Nolan brothers went all out for this movie, and I appreciated their work. Nolan's Bond is only a matter of time.

[Dotpattern]

Originally Posted by Early Memphis

[Show spoiler]There was a countdown to detonation involved, remember?

But you seem to be missing that said countdown is not in real time. It is in cinematic time. Take for instance when Gordon first opens the truck door and

[Show spoiler]sees the bomb

- the timer reads 11 minutes 45 seconds. Then it intercuts between Gordon and Talia talking to Batman

[Show spoiler]after she stabs him.

Almost 2 minutes later in real time, we see the timer again and the timer reads 11:35. We are being told that only 10 seconds of cinematic time has elapsed in almost 2 minutes of real time - we are being told through editing that what appears to be happening concurrently through intercutting is not actually happening at the exact same time nor in real time.

2 real time minutes later, the timer is shown to be 11:07. Only 25 seconds of cinematic time has elapsed in 2 minutes of real time. Again, cinematic time differs from real time.

Almost 2 real time minutes later, the timer reads 10:38.

1 minute and 10 seconds later in real time, the timer reads 5:50. What??? How did we lose 5 minutes in cinematic time in just over a minute of real time? Because it's a movie and the movie doesn't take place in real time.

1 real time minute later, the timer reads 5:00

3 real time minutes later, the timer reads 1:58

2 and a half real time minutes later, the timer reads 00:05. Wait, what?? The bomb should've gone off 30 seconds ago! Oh...right...because we're not being shown events in real-time nor are we being shown events in chronological order.

What this means is we don't actually know how much time was left

[Show spoiler]before detonation when Batman tows the bomb into the air,

nor do we actually know when

[Show spoiler]he ejected from the Bat,

nor do we know how long it actually took for

[Show spoiler]the Bat to fly to a safe distance.

It's a cinematic cheat. A type of cheat that has existed ever since the first "countdown to detonation" ever appeared on film.

[Early Memphis]

Originally Posted by ryan4butler

Everyone's trying to explain something that can't be explained and they blame Nolan and the editing whol it's something that shouldn't be looked into. You think that's horrible storytelling, but it worked.

I didn't say anything about "horrible storytelling". I called into question the exposition of that one singular point, period.

[Show spoiler]If you don't think breadcrumbs should be left, then why the Bane clues? Nothings perfect - or there'd be nothing to discuss and we could all simply be moronic fanboys & fangirls like that insulting fool. I simply agreed with MrHT. And to your and Dotpattern's point : If it wasn't a nuclear explosion, eh ...

Originally Posted by 42041

Well yeah, when I call someone stupid, it's meant to be condescending. If someone is so thick and literal-minded as to not understand what Nolan was trying to do there, what reasonable discussion is there to be had sheesh...

And it still could've been done better. Pardon me, fanboy, for not bowing in all-accepting awe - and I actually liked the movie. And only a weak-minded, imbecilic fool calls people stupid because they can't accept that everyone else isn't in lock-step with them. Last time I looked, the Nazi's lost the war - but, maybe not in your universe. Have we had enough childish insults yet? Sheesh ...

Originally Posted by The Dragon

There's a couple possibilities no one is considering:
2).

[Show spoiler]It has been said Nolan's Batman is not of the rest of the DCMU, however, to introduce the JL, you may need to connect Gotham and so forth... So, what if-Superman saved Bats from the blast, at the very last min. We can expect something forthcoming in MOS to blow the audiences away because Marvel is off to a fine start with these end credit surprises. It wouldn't surprise me at all if something connects Supes with Wayne/Blake going forward.

Now that (#2) would be so cool!

[The Dragon]

Originally Posted by Early Memphis

Now that (#2) would be so cool!

I know, right?! We can only hope!

[Ironhorse75]

Originally Posted by MrHT

[Show spoiler]Well if you watch it again, you see a shot with Batman inside The Bat and then seconds later, it explodes. That's not enough time for Batman to escape even if he did eject and use auto-pilot. It's just not possible. You're talking about a nuclear bomb here! As far as I'm concerned, Batman died! Boo Nolan for killing off an amazing superhero!

[Show spoiler] That's because there is more than one Bat.

Obviously Fox isn't examining the blown up Bat, there wouldn't be anything left to examine.

The closeup of Batman in the cockpit isn't him flying the Bat with the bomb on it.

It's a blatant misdirection shot.

[aiman04]

My theory, the ending of Man of Steel shows

[Show spoiler]Superman flying to Gotham at the speed of sound, in a wide shot, straight to The Bat a fraction of seconds before the detonation. We see it detonates and fade to black.

We'll see both of them next in Justice League.

[GuruAskew]

There's no way the climax of Nolan's trilogy will be retconned to a gimmicky Superman crossover. No ****ing way.