The Anime Blu-ray Video Quality Thread - Page 296 - Blu-ray Forum

Dino-Killer 912 · 04-30-2021, 09:11 AM

Burnt-in subtitles are the worst nightmares...

ShiroNek0 · 04-30-2021, 09:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by professorwho

I'll be getting the French Monogatari releases myself, as they're very well encoded and cheap. (ViCklatereur sent me an episode to look at, and they're very good for the price) However, I'll be getting everything except FR Bake and Nise, as those have burned in subtitles for on-screen text in French. They're the "burned into the video and not the forced subtitle track" kind of subs. The other releases do not have burned in subtitles.

Not sure how the German release compares...

That explains why I see so many FR Monogatari 2nd season set here in Japan.

If you are comfortable with 2nd hand items, I suggest to take a look at old JP BD set. Both Bake/Nise are in top 10 best-selling anime series of all time, so it's very easy to find a good cheap set on JP market. It gets pricier from 2nd season though.

The Collector FX · 04-30-2021, 09:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ShiroNek0

That explains why I see so many FR Monogatari 2nd season set here in Japan.

If you are comfortable with 2nd hand items, I suggest to take a look at old JP BD set. Both Bake/Nise are in top 10 best-selling anime series of all time, so it's very easy to find a good cheap set on JP market. It gets pricier from 2nd season though.

Looks like we have ourselves a new member. Welcome.

NLScavenger · 04-30-2021, 10:51 AM

Puella Magi Madoka Magica: The Movie - Rebellion - DE BD vs JP/US/IT BD

Pick your poison:

DE BD: no low pass filtering, but with minor compression noise in complex scenes and not debanded.
JP/US/IT BD: debanded and less compression noise, but blurry in complex scenes because of low pass filtering.

I prefer the DE BD.

https://slow.pics/c/EXdQuy10

DE BD

JP/US/IT BD

BDInfo German BD

Code:

Name:                   00021.MPLS
Length:                 1:56:37.365 (h:m:s.ms)
Size:                   39,289,847,808 bytes
Total Bitrate:          44.92 Mbps

VIDEO:

Codec                   Bitrate             Description     
-----                   -------             -----------     
MPEG-4 AVC Video        33993 kbps          1080p / 23.976 fps / 16:9 / High Profile 4.1

AUDIO:

Codec                           Language        Bitrate         Description     
-----                           --------        -------         -----------     
DTS-HD Master Audio             German          4313 kbps       5.1 / 48 kHz /  4313 kbps / 24-bit (DTS Core: 5.1 / 48 kHz /  1509 kbps / 24-bit)
DTS-HD Master Audio             Japanese        4181 kbps       5.1 / 48 kHz /  4181 kbps / 24-bit (DTS Core: 5.1 / 48 kHz /  1509 kbps / 24-bit)

SUBTITLES:

Codec                           Language        Bitrate         Description     
-----                           --------        -------         -----------     
Presentation Graphics           German          27.608 kbps                     
Presentation Graphics           German          1.805 kbps

BDInfo IT BD

Code:

Name:                   00006.MPLS
Length:                 1:56:37.991 (h:m:s.ms)
Size:                   40,354,185,216 bytes
Total Bitrate:          46.13 Mbps

VIDEO:

Codec                   Bitrate             Description     
-----                   -------             -----------     
MPEG-4 AVC Video        37196 kbps          1080p / 23.976 fps / 16:9 / High Profile 4.1

AUDIO:

Codec                           Language        Bitrate         Description     
-----                           --------        -------         -----------     
DTS-HD Master Audio             Italian         2647 kbps       5.1 / 48 kHz /  2647 kbps / 24-bit (DTS Core: 5.1 / 48 kHz /  1509 kbps / 24-bit)
DTS-HD Master Audio             Japanese        2607 kbps       5.1 / 48 kHz /  2607 kbps / 24-bit (DTS Core: 5.1 / 48 kHz /  1509 kbps / 24-bit)
DTS-HD Master Audio             Japanese        1013 kbps       2.0 / 48 kHz /  1013 kbps / 24-bit (DTS Core: 2.0 / 48 kHz /   448 kbps / 24-bit)

SUBTITLES:

Codec                           Language        Bitrate         Description     
-----                           --------        -------         -----------     
Presentation Graphics           Italian         35.156 kbps                     
Presentation Graphics           Italian         0.693 kbps

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Mobile Suit Gundam ZZ - US BD vs UK/FR BD

US BD footage and bitrate info provided by doud. The UK/FR BD is slightly worse, but in practice there's not much of a difference between the two. Actually, both have unremarkable encodes with artifacting.

https://slow.pics/c/M7zVNtwt

US BD

UK/FR BD

US BD episode 9

Code:

Disc Title: Gundam ZZ PT1 - BD2
Disc Label: GUNDAMZZPT1BD2
Disc Size: 35,930,854,274 bytes
Protection: AACS
Playlist: 00001.MPLS
Size: 5,120,286,720 bytes
Length: 0:24:43.982
Total Bitrate: 27.60 Mbps
Video: MPEG-4 AVC Video / 24560 kbps / 1080p / 23.976 fps / 16:9 / High Profile 4.1
Audio: Japanese / LPCM Audio / 2.0 / 48 kHz /  1536 kbps / 16-bit
Subtitle: English / 53.506 kbps

UK/FR BD episode 9

Code:

Disc Title: GUNDAM ZZ VOL02
Disc Label: GUNDAM ZZ VOL2
Disc Size: 37,127,852,560 bytes
Protection: AACS
Playlist: 00007.MPLS
Size: 4,644,636,672 bytes
Length: 0:24:12.951
Total Bitrate: 25.57 Mbps
Video: MPEG-4 AVC Video / 21984 kbps / 1080p / 23.976 fps / 16:9 / High Profile 4.1
Audio: Japanese / DTS-HD Master Audio / 2.0 / 48 kHz /  2126 kbps / 24-bit (DTS Core: 2.0 / 48 kHz /  1509 kbps / 24-bit)
Subtitle: French / 40.245 kbps
Subtitle: English / 48.716 kbps

US BD episode 40

UK/FR BD episode 40

SpaceDandy · 04-30-2021, 01:26 PM

The french (OOP) BD of Rebellion supposedly uses the same disc as the IT release ?
All the Anime France had proudly claimed they had made this boxset & discs for the IT and FR market at some point.

NLScavenger · 04-30-2021, 01:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SpaceDandy

The french (OOP) BD of Rebellion supposedly uses the same disc as the IT release ?
All the Anime France had proudly claimed they had made this boxset & discs for the IT and FR market at some point.

No, it doesn't. FR BD uses different encode, iirc with wrong brightness. The only thing it shares with IT BD is the packaging.

EDIT: https://slow.pics/c/XWkKXYqd (FR BD screenshot from Yuripa)
https://slow.pics/c/tlGI3Csr

First FR BD shot has almost no banding compared to DE BD, but in second shot banding is more noticeable in FR BD due to higher brightness. Interesting.

Second shot is starting to make me think that FR BD is re-encode of Aniplex BD.

professorwho · 04-30-2021, 06:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ShiroNek0

If you are comfortable with 2nd hand items, I suggest to take a look at old JP BD set. Both Bake/Nise are in top 10 best-selling anime series of all time, so it's very easy to find a good cheap set on JP market. It gets pricier from 2nd season though.

Indeed. I almost picked up the singles of Bake and Nise when I went to Japan (specifically, I saw most of Bake at a Book Off), but I don’t have much space in my luggage, so I don’t think I’d have been able to get them all. Since it was such a financial success, they’re dirt cheap online, so I figured I’d get them that way later on. Still haven’t done it yet...

Kyle15 · 04-30-2021, 06:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by professorwho

Indeed. I almost picked up the singles of Bake and Nise when I went to Japan (specifically, I saw most of Bake at a Book Off), but I don’t have much space in my luggage, so I don’t think I’d have been able to get them all. Since it was such a financial success, they’re dirt cheap online, so I figured I’d get them that way later on. Still haven’t done it yet...

Like, how dirt cheap we talking here?

professorwho · 04-30-2021, 07:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kyle15

Like, how dirt cheap we talking here?

¥200-500 per single in some cases when I went to Book Off. On Yahoo Auctions (basically Japanese eBay) I think you can get the BD Box sets for around ¥5000 each normally, although I’ve seen them sell for much lower occasionally... before shipping, of which you’d need a proxy service to ship them outside Japan.

ShiroNek0 · 04-30-2021, 07:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kyle15

Like, how dirt cheap we talking here?

If you go for the most common option (single, first limited ver, no limited storage box), it should be around 70-80$ for bake + nise.

Recently I just bought disc box version of bake & nise + neko (kuro) for around 120$. Bad choice. It has nicer storage box, but lacks so many bonus compared to above option.

Kyle15 · 04-30-2021, 09:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by professorwho

¥200-500 per single in some cases when I went to Book Off. On Yahoo Auctions (basically Japanese eBay) I think you can get the BD Box sets for around ¥5000 each normally, although I’ve seen them sell for much lower occasionally... before shipping, of which you’d need a proxy service to ship them outside Japan.

Damn that's crazy cheap! I've used proxies before so I got that part covered. I'll be keeping my eyes peeled in the mean time.

BlackCondor93 · 05-01-2021, 01:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NormanicGrav

A majority of the UK Monogatari releases use the Hanabee discs. Kizumonogatari Trilogy, Koyomimonogatari, Owarimonogatari Part 3, and Zoku Owarimonogatari are MVM authored but using Aniplex encodes I believe (someone can correct me on that).

I can confirm regarding Kizu that the discs appear to be direct clones of the AoA discs, right down to the bilingual warning screens and the discs being Region Free.

I can't confirm anything regarding Koyomi, Owari Part 3 and Zoku Owari, as MVM's releases of them haven't been released yet.

SpaceDandy · 05-02-2021, 12:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NLScavenger

No, it doesn't. FR BD uses different encode, iirc with wrong brightness. The only thing it shares with IT BD is the packaging.

My bad, All the Anime had written that they had directed the release for both countries, I was fooled.

While we talk about Anime Limited France:
Gundam 00 Part 1
• 17-18 Mbps. Colorbanding, gamma shift, and catastrophic compression in dark scenes.
• DTS-HDMA 24bits 48kHz
• 30GiB used per discs

Source and captures

This is another Kazé-tier one.

Logan Jones · 05-04-2021, 08:54 PM

So, um.... How does the Discotek release of Cyber City Oedo 808 look? I would like to see some pics if anybody has them. I mean, if it is any meaningful improvement of the UK disc, that is.

Member-571539 · 05-04-2021, 08:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Logan Jones

So, um.... How does the Discotek release of Cyber City Oedo 808 look? I would like to see some pics if anybody has them. I mean, if it is any meaningful improvement of the UK disc, that is.

The picture quality on the discs are going to be the same.

SpazeBlue · 05-04-2021, 08:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Logan Jones

So, um.... How does the Discotek release of Cyber City Oedo 808 look? I would like to see some pics if anybody has them. I mean, if it is any meaningful improvement of the UK disc, that is.

Yep, same discs...:

Quote:

Originally Posted by jsevakis

with very minor tweaks (added epilepsy warning, trimmed the Anime Ltd promo slate off the end of the documentary)

Memade · 05-05-2021, 04:53 AM

Trying to find information on A Silent Voice BDs.

So the Limited HK edition is better than RE because it's BD50 rather than BD25?
Are there any similar discrepancies for US versions?

I also discovered a Taiwan version. Not sure the quality on that either.

professorwho · 05-05-2021, 05:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Memade

Are there any similar discrepancies for US versions?

The standard Shout Factory and Nozomi Collector’s Editions have different encodes, with the Nozomi being better.

NLScavenger · 05-05-2021, 10:34 PM

Magic Knight Rayearth - Discotek Media BD vs Bandai 2005 R2J DVD

The Blu-ray is sourced from a decent but dated remaster with weak, anemic black levels. The 2005 R2J DVD is better in that regard, though the BD is overall superior. I found the BD picture to be a lot more satisfying after adjusting the gamma.

Discotek Media BD

Bandai 2005 R2J DVD

BDInfo episode 1

Code:

Disc Title: Magic Knight Rayearth Disc 1
Disc Label: Magic Knight Rayearth Disc 1
Disc Size: 48,026,858,808 bytes
Protection: AACS
Playlist: 00000.MPLS
Size: 5,217,535,488 bytes
Length: 0:24:27.591
Total Bitrate: 28.44 Mbps
Video: MPEG-4 AVC Video / 22998 kbps / 1080p / 23.976 fps / 16:9 / High Profile 4.1
Audio: English / LPCM Audio / 2.0 / 48 kHz /  1536 kbps / 16-bit
Audio: Japanese / LPCM Audio / 2.0 / 48 kHz /  2304 kbps / 24-bit
Subtitle: English / 41.982 kbps
Subtitle: English / 5.222 kbps

ShiroNek0 · 05-06-2021, 05:19 AM

Violet Evergarden - UK Limited BD (re-authored) vs JP Limited BD

This UK release is delayed due to quality problem, but I'm quite satisfied with the final result.

The good:
- Main series is on 2 BD50 discs, 8/7 split (14 ep + 1 ep extra). Picture quality is nearly as good as JP BD, just has a bit less details and more microblock in dark scene, but barely noticeable. Debanding, gamma target, color tonality... is all good. I doubt I can notice the difference if I actually sit down and watch the movie.
- Main series audio uses DTS-HD 2.0 MA to save space, compared to LPCM 2.0 in JP BD.
- Subtitles is available in English and French, have good font with border and shadow, easy to read. Certainly one of the better font choices.
- The whole package with bonus (artbook, art cards, stamp books) feels very nice. Very high quality overall, though BD case cover is not my cup of tea.

The bad:
- Blu-ray menu has very obvious banding (lol). Its artistic quality also doesn't come close to JP BD.
- Doesn't include commentary audio tracks
- Region B only
- My first disc has an 1 cm scratch. What a let down

Image comparison:
https://slow.pics/c/TeUu6DzI

Log:

[Show spoiler]

Other review (Fr):
https://anime-hd.fr/2021/04/05/revie...par-mangatoon/

05-05-2021, 10:34 PM	#5919
NLScavenger Blu-ray Ninja Top contributor Member since:Dec 2013 Location:Netherlands 4K collection:19 Blu-ray collection:830 Trading Score:9	Magic Knight Rayearth - Discotek Media BD vs Bandai 2005 R2J DVD The Blu-ray is sourced from a decent but dated remaster with weak, anemic black levels. The 2005 R2J DVD is better in that regard, though the BD is overall superior. I found the BD picture to be a lot more satisfying after adjusting the gamma. Discotek Media BD Bandai 2005 R2J DVD BDInfo episode 1 Code: Disc Title: Magic Knight Rayearth Disc 1 Disc Label: Magic Knight Rayearth Disc 1 Disc Size: 48,026,858,808 bytes Protection: AACS Playlist: 00000.MPLS Size: 5,217,535,488 bytes Length: 0:24:27.591 Total Bitrate: 28.44 Mbps Video: MPEG-4 AVC Video / 22998 kbps / 1080p / 23.976 fps / 16:9 / High Profile 4.1 Audio: English / LPCM Audio / 2.0 / 48 kHz / 1536 kbps / 16-bit Audio: Japanese / LPCM Audio / 2.0 / 48 kHz / 2304 kbps / 24-bit Subtitle: English / 41.982 kbps Subtitle: English / 5.222 kbps

04-30-2021, 09:11 AM	#5901
Dino-Killer 912 Active Member Top contributor Member since:Apr 2015 Location:China 4K collection:134 Blu-ray collection:602 Trading Score:1	Burnt-in subtitles are the worst nightmares...

04-30-2021, 01:26 PM	#5905
SpaceDandy Senior Member Top contributor Member since:Aug 2018	The french (OOP) BD of Rebellion supposedly uses the same disc as the IT release ? All the Anime France had proudly claimed they had made this boxset & discs for the IT and FR market at some point.

05-04-2021, 08:54 PM	#5914
Logan Jones Member Member since:Aug 2018 4K collection:9 Blu-ray collection:131	So, um.... How does the Discotek release of Cyber City Oedo 808 look? I would like to see some pics if anybody has them. I mean, if it is any meaningful improvement of the UK disc, that is.

05-05-2021, 04:53 AM	#5917
Memade Active Member Member since:Dec 2020	Trying to find information on A Silent Voice BDs. So the Limited HK edition is better than RE because it's BD50 rather than BD25? Are there any similar discrepancies for US versions? I also discovered a Taiwan version. Not sure the quality on that either.

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