Jon and Kate + 8 ....

[jkwest]

my wife always liked Kate..I never understood why. I always felt sorry for Jon...maybe I should start questioning my own marriage!?

[Teabaggins]

Originally Posted by aramis109

Adoption is not the same as having your own child. Yes, fools like octo-mom are abusing the drugs but to say it's only for "egotistical, selfish people" is such an inflammatory blanket statement that it has to be trollbait.

everyone I know who has tried to adopt has been successful. yes it's expensive, but fertility treatment isn't?

to spend so much money and time and effort into a frankensteinian process JUST so you can have something that is "of your blood" is the definition of selfishness and being an egomaniac.

well what can we expect, we live in a society where we spend thousands on some inbred problem prone "purebred" dog and let perfectly good dogs in shelters get put down and then we dare to proclaim ourselves "dog lovers".

[Chordata]

Originally Posted by Teabaggins

I am General Zod. Your ruler. Yes, today begins a new order.

not everyone is meant to procreate

[insert lost cause smiley]

[jkwest]

I have two children from adoption...it was not expensive...I can tell you that....the state refunds almost 90% of your costs when it is finalised. I have never understood that argument.

[b0bby]

Originally Posted by jkwest

my wife always liked Kate..I never understood why. I always felt sorry for Jon...maybe I should start questioning my own marriage!?

your wife might be the first person i've heard of that likes kate.

[Chordata]

Originally Posted by jkwest

I have two children from adoption...it was not expensive...I can tell you that....the state refunds almost 90% of your costs when it is finalised. I have never understood that argument.

Were your children born in America?

My friends that have adopted from overseas have spent up to $20,000, depending on the country and sex of the child. That's not necessarily "a lot" of money, but it's nothing to sneeze at.

[Teabaggins]

Originally Posted by b0bby

your wife might be the first person i've heard of that likes kate.

he wife tries to see the good in everyone..even when it's not there

[aramis109]

Originally Posted by Teabaggins

I am General Zod. Your ruler. Yes, today begins a new order.

not everyone is meant to procreate

I agree- take your own advice.

[jadedeath]

Originally Posted by O_V_N

You're so wrong, it's not even amusing.

Do you have children? Have you ever tried to have children for months or years without success? Have you visited fertility clinics? Have you had the uncomfortable conversation of asking your spouse to visit one since it could be his or her "fault"? Have you spend countless time and dollars on finding a solution to the problem? Having children comes very easy to some; for others, it's a hellish experience that comes with negative results time and time and time again.

Who are you to judge them?

I think he means in regards to this situation.

There are other options out there rather than fertility drugs {like adoption}

But to pop out 8 kids using fertility drugs, it's going a little overboard.

Why are you even participating in this thread? Bored?

Same reason I am likely... curiosity as to why people are that morbid that they'd want to watch a show which basically amounts to people getting tortured. The kids might end up being really strange because of it.

To me it would appear that these shows are pretty close to Intervention with regards to how seemingly morbid it is.

Logan

[jadedeath]

Originally Posted by O_V_N

Were your children born in America?

My friends that have adopted from overseas have spent up to $20,000, depending on the country and sex of the child. That's not necessarily "a lot" of money, but it's nothing to sneeze at.

Are your friends Brad Pitt and Angelina Jolie?

Logan

[mikejet]

Originally Posted by O_V_N

Were your children born in America?

My friends that have adopted from overseas have spent up to $20,000, depending on the country and sex of the child. That's not necessarily "a lot" of money, but it's nothing to sneeze at.

There are plenty of needy children right here in the US that need homes. Why spend all that money?

[aramis109]

Originally Posted by Teabaggins

everyone I know who has tried to adopt has been successful. yes it's expensive, but fertility treatment isn't?

to spend so much money and time and effort into a frankensteinian process JUST so you can have something that is "of your blood" is the definition of selfishness and being an egomaniac.

well what can we expect, we live in a society where we spend thousands on some inbred problem prone "purebred" dog and let perfectly good dogs in shelters get put down and then we dare to proclaim ourselves "dog lovers".

There's still a difference between the bond that's formed from having your own child and adoption that is most likely impossible for someone who hasn't experienced it to understand.

And yeah, on the dog front? We have an Australian Shepherd\Beagle mix we adopted from the Humane Society.

[Dirk504]

Originally Posted by jadedeath

I think he means in regards to this situation.

There are other options out there rather than fertility drugs {like adoption}

But to pop out 8 kids using fertility drugs, it's going a little overboard.



Same reason I am likely... curiosity as to why people are that morbid that they'd want to watch a show which basically amounts to people getting tortured. The kids might end up being really strange because of it.

To me it would appear that these shows are pretty close to Intervention with regards to how seemingly morbid it is.

Logan

She only popped out 6 kids. They had 2 already b4 the sextuplets. They only wanted 1 more child.

[aramis109]

Originally Posted by jadedeath

I think he means in regards to this situation.

There are other options out there rather than fertility drugs {like adoption}

But to pop out 8 kids using fertility drugs, it's going a little overboard.



Same reason I am likely... curiosity as to why people are that morbid that they'd want to watch a show which basically amounts to people getting tortured. The kids might end up being really strange because of it.

To me it would appear that these shows are pretty close to Intervention with regards to how seemingly morbid it is.

Logan

Honestly, I agree. I occasionally stop on the show for a few minutes but it's kind of painful to watch- my wife can't stand Kate and I think she's a total @#$%^.

Originally Posted by mikejet

There are plenty of needy children right here in the US that need homes. Why spend all that money?

Heh, ever tried adoption here locally? It's not as easy as going and adopting a dog. Many people want babies (and hey, when they're adopting I think it's their right to choose) and there is a huge wait for that as well.

[Chordata]

Originally Posted by jadedeath

Are your friends Brad Pitt and Angelina Jolie?

Logan

No.

Originally Posted by mikejet

There are plenty of needy children right here in the US that need homes. Why spend all that money?

It's not a lot of money to them, but I have no idea why they wanted to adopt from overseas.

[Teabaggins]

Originally Posted by Dirk504

She only popped out 6 kids. They had 2 already b4 the sextuplets. They only wanted 1 more child.

that makes it even worse for me.

So they already had 2 kids, and wanted that THIRD kid for whatever retarded selfish reason, it didn't happen naturally and they wanted it soooo badly that they used FERTILITY treatments to create 6 more monsters???!!

is that right?

[mikejet]

Originally Posted by O_V_N

It's not a lot of money to them, but I have no idea why they wanted to adopt from overseas.

Tell them I want to be adopted. If 20k isn't alot I wonder what is.

[jkwest]

Yeah, we adopted from our own state. It is not difficult at all...and only cost about $5k, of which $4500 the state reimburses, plus, its a write-off AND you get even more if you adopt a sibling set due to the higher cost the state has trying to keep them together.

There are soooooo many myths about adoption that it is sad. We didn't have any hoops really to jump through...just the basic necessities of life... food, shelter and clothing...and prove you aren't a child molester or wanted felon.

If a young couple in their mid twenties with three children of their own can adopt two children from the system, that means any "normal" person can, also.

[mikejet]

Originally Posted by Teabaggins

that makes it even worse for me.

So they already had 2 kids, and wanted that THIRD kid for whatever retarded selfish reason, it didn't happen naturally and they wanted it soooo badly that they used FERTILITY treatments to create 6 more monsters???!!

is that right?

Actually, they used fertility drugs the first time around and had twins, then figured to use them again.

[Teabaggins]

Originally Posted by mikejet

Actually, they used fertility drugs the first time around and had twins, then figured to use them again.

nice.