Blu/DVD Flippers! WTF?!?!

[ChadFL]

Originally Posted by RadThad

Is it a disc that can be played on both sides or a disc with no graphic on the top? I tried searching but I couldn't find anything clear. Thanks.

A flipper is a pretend Blu-Ray.

[wvl]

Originally Posted by ChadFL

A flipper is a pretend Blu-Ray.

Good analogy

[Steve]

Originally Posted by ChadFL

A flipper is a pretend Blu-Ray.

In what regard? Is the blu-ray version of a movie on a flipper inferior in some way to the version found on a regular blu-ray?

[wvl]

Originally Posted by Steve

In what regard? Is the blu-ray version of a movie on a flipper inferior in some way to the version found on a regular blu-ray?

Howz about the quality and the longevity of the disc? We don't know the answer to the ladder as of yet.

I still think separating the two is a better way to go.

[wvl]

Originally Posted by RadThad

Is it a disc that can be played on both sides or a disc with no graphic on the top? I tried searching but I couldn't find anything clear. Thanks.

Once you learn what a flipper is, vote on what you think about it. Here's the link.

https://forum.blu-ray.com/blu-ray-mo...ded-discs.html

[drtre81]

Honestly they probably use flippers instead of separate dvds to combat resells of the dvd.

[steve_dave]

Actually, its so that Universal can discontinue pressing the DVD only for catalog titles. The premise is that by pressing a BD/DVD combo, it is more cost effective in the long run.

Especially since interest in those catalog titles on DVD is dwindling. By offering a BD and a "future proof" format, Uni can continue to market catalog titles. Otherwise some titles will go out of print due to cost.

And the flipper format is going to have a much higher resale value since it has the BD side.

[Berting]

I hate flipper discs. My experience with the DVD flippers, is that one side is usually quite scratched, or incredibly dirty, and that is always the side I want to play. So far I have avoided BD/DVD flipper discs.

[csdot]

Originally Posted by Berting

I hate flipper discs. My experience with the DVD flippers, is that one side is usually quite scratched, or incredibly dirty, and that is always the side I want to play. So far I have avoided BD/DVD flipper discs.

unless you really care about both sides, how would the bluray side get messed up? its no more vulnerable than a regular bd. i hate the idea of flippers too but if its the only option for a catalog title i want then ill go for it. it hasnt happened yet but im sure it will. i have an old cd label kit maybe ill make my own cutom label and just cover up the dvd side hahaha

[LS2782]

Originally Posted by csdot

unless you really care about both sides, how would the bluray side get messed up? its no more vulnerable than a regular bd. i hate the idea of flippers too but if its the only option for a catalog title i want then ill go for it. it hasnt happened yet but im sure it will. i have an old cd label kit maybe ill make my own cutom label and just cover up the dvd side hahaha

That's not a bad idea

[Wilfredo]

Originally Posted by csdot

unless you really care about both sides, how would the bluray side get messed up? its no more vulnerable than a regular bd. i hate the idea of flippers too but if its the only option for a catalog title i want then ill go for it. it hasnt happened yet but im sure it will. i have an old cd label kit maybe ill make my own cutom label and just cover up the dvd side hahaha

I always did that with the flippers DVD, to cover up the full screen side.

[drtre81]

Originally Posted by steve_dave

Actually, its so that Universal can discontinue pressing the DVD only for catalog titles. The premise is that by pressing a BD/DVD combo, it is more cost effective in the long run.

Especially since interest in those catalog titles on DVD is dwindling. By offering a BD and a "future proof" format, Uni can continue to market catalog titles. Otherwise some titles will go out of print due to cost.

And the flipper format is going to have a much higher resale value since it has the BD side.

I was talking about people buying blurays that come with the dvd version, such as Avatar and selling the dvd.

[steve_dave]

Originally Posted by drtre81

I was talking about people buying blurays that come with the dvd version, such as Avatar and selling the dvd.

Your thread title says "I may have figured out why flippers are really used."

Flippers are the term used by Universal for their BD/DVD combos on a single disc. If you were referring to the BD and DVD sets that have two discs then you want to say combo packs.

[Filmmaker]

Originally Posted by steve_dave

Your thread title says "I may have figured out why flippers are really used."

Flippers are the term used by Universal for their BD/DVD combos on a single disc. If you were referring to the BD and DVD sets that have two discs then you want to say combo packs.

You still misunderstand drtre81's post--he's saying he thinks the studio would like to stop the resell of DVDs that come in combo packs, not the sale of years-old DVDs when people upgrade their titles to BD, so rather than releasing combo packs, they're going with dual-sided discs rather than combos.

[bad_code]

Originally Posted by steve_dave

Actually, its so that Universal can discontinue pressing the DVD only for catalog titles. The premise is that by pressing a BD/DVD combo, it is more cost effective in the long run.

Especially since interest in those catalog titles on DVD is dwindling. By offering a BD and a "future proof" format, Uni can continue to market catalog titles. Otherwise some titles will go out of print due to cost.

And the flipper format is going to have a much higher resale value since it has the BD side.

I would disagree. I think collectors will prefer to have the art rather than the DVD version. I think it's a waste of my money more than anything same with the digital copy thing they are doing now. I love it when they have the 'non-collectors' edition with just the blu-ray disk for $2-$4 less.

[Rob71]

Originally Posted by drtre81

Honestly they probably use flippers instead of separate dvds to combat resells of the dvd.

Idk, Does enough of that go on to even warrant the concern? I think it has more to do with reduced manufacturing costs for the studios and less shelf space for retail.

[steve_dave]

Originally Posted by Filmmaker

You still misunderstand drtre81's post--he's saying he thinks the studio would like to stop the resell of DVDs that come in combo packs, not the sale of years-old DVDs when people upgrade their titles to BD, so rather than releasing combo packs, they're going with dual-sided discs rather than combos.

I didn't misunderstand the post:

Originally Posted by drtre81

Honestly they probably use flippers instead of separate dvds to combat resells of the dvd.

When I pointed out what the flipper disc was in my post which was a BD and DVD on a single disc this was the response back:

Originally Posted by drtre81

I was talking about people buying blurays that come with the dvd version, such as Avatar and selling the dvd.

So dtre81 is confused and thinks the term flipper means a combo pack when in fact it means a combo disc. dtre81 was trying to use Avatar as a reason for the combo pack when the actual reason for Avatar being a combo pack is not to combat the resell of the DVD.

Further, Avatar is not a "flipper" disc and the only studio releasing flippers is Universal. Any other studio releasing a BD/DVD combo is doing a combo pack with a BD disc and a seperate DVD disc.

[detective392]

I know that there is a lot of hate for flipper discs and people refuse to buy them but has there been any actual problems with them or is it all just hate?

[steve_dave]

Originally Posted by detective392

I know that there is a lot of hate for flipper discs and people refuse to buy them but has there been any actual problems with them or is it all just hate?

Just hate. Bad experiences from the DVD and HD DVD era. So far, none of the retail released fliper discs have had any issues.

[KenThompson]

I was not going to buy the Bourne movies as singles because of crappy dvd on one side. Friggin flippers must die. I ended buy getting the Bourne boxset at costco for 44.95. and no flippers. I would have bought it a long time ago if they didn't over price the boxset. Any movie that comes out as a flipper will never make it to my collection period, I don't care how much I want the movie.