Quick way to lose credibility

[BTBuck1]

Originally Posted by Mr.Neutral

Sure, it IS possible to be neutral. If I watch the red sox and yankees, I am definetely not neutral. If I was to watch Tamba Bay and Toronto, I can be neutral, I don't care who wins.

But see you don't like Tampa & Toronto, so you don't care..

You do however like BD & or HDDVD, therefor you like one better. It's impossible to say they are the same, unless they are...and they aren't. Therefore you have a preferance.

The only thing that keeps me on the edge (and I said, I probably lean just a touch towards blu) is that there is that I still don't see some of the blu-ray advantages as tangible. Space obviously is for extras and better audio. But I just don't know if the video difference will actually be visible. It sure isn't to me. I also don't have a lossless receiver and am not sure I've ever heard it or could tell the difference. What I have now sounds great. Maybe I just need to hear it. So that's why I am neutral - I need to see/hear it for myself to really see the benefit.

I don't know how many BD's you've watched vs. HDDVD's but I have two BD players, two 1080p tv's over 100 BD's and nearly 60 HDDVD's I can tell you I am consistantly more impressed with the Highbitrate AVC & even some mpeg2
over HDDVD and it's low bit-rate VC-1. I know VC-1 is good, DeJa Vu proved that. But the ONLY titles in VC-1 to me that are compareable in sharpness to what I have gotten used to with BD is Kong, HotFuzz & PitchBlack. Vs. just about 95% of Sony & Disney titles that look Awesome. You do the math.

The only benefits either format has for me right now is the exclusive movies. Dual format titles I'll buy on the cheaper of the two. I do share the sentiment of many others and wish there was no war, but I also want to watch whatever I can in HD.

I can respect this, and whole heartedly agree. I think with a little more watching, you will soon gain the trained eye for detail and start noticing the difference in not only PQ, but number of esclusive hit titles on Blu-ray.

[Kololo]

Originally Posted by Blu-dock Saint

Well its Blu-ray.com, so I mean people will be as harsh as we can. I'm just glad I'm not bashed for having a 360 add on. People here are really respectful. Names are names to me, thats all.

I have a Wii, 360 & PS3 (only bought for watching BDs)
I dont have the 360 add on & never will.

Still its just childish calling it HD DUD.
There used to be a Nintendo magazine that would call the PS a "Fony Greystation". It was so childish & pathetic (and im a nintendo fanboy) that i stopped buying the magazine.

[Mr.Neutral]

Originally Posted by Blu-dock Saint

Well its Blu-ray.com, so I mean people will be as harsh as we can. I'm just glad I'm not bashed for having a 360 add on. People here are really respectful. Names are names to me, thats all.

But does it make sense? To scare off those that ask what may appear to be stupid questions?

[Teazle]

Originally Posted by Kololo

We all want Blu to win, why not be mature about it. Why lower our selves to the standards of HD DVD companys by using such lame terms.

Because THEY STARTED IT!

[Blu-dock Saint]

Theres many people on here that have very mature answeres, BT and Wicky come to mind, there are a few that do go off a little too much, but all well free speech I guess.

[jtconnolly]

Why does it matter, Why do you care! You are doing the same thing here, calling people names.(childish) Let it go and enjoy your Blu-ray, HD-DVD or what ever.

[GTP]

Neutral people are..

1 usually hiding under the guise of format neutrality to bash BD. and/or trying to sway others to the dark side.
2 Selfish non forward thinkers that are directly helping what was a pillow fight, turn into a never ending war that leaves us with nitche formats at best, with low bit rate/bandwith HD downloads taking over.

I have far more respect for owners of one format, particularly if that format is BD.

Format neutral speak as well as hd dvd speak should be kept on the other forums that Microsoft pays off instead of this fine site IMO.

[Kololo]

Looks like i struck a few nerves...


lol Teazle with the best reply

[Blu-dock Saint]

I think we all need to calm down and take a "blu" chill pill.

[Teazle]

Originally Posted by Kololo

Looks like i struck a few nerves...


lol Teazle with the best reply

Cheers

[jtconnolly]

Originally Posted by Blu-dock Saint

I think we all need to calm down and take a "blu" chill pill.

LOL

[Mr.Neutral]

Originally Posted by BTBuck1

But see you don't like Tampa & Toronto, so you don't care..

You do however like BD & or HDDVD, therefor you like one better. It's impossible to say they are the same, unless they are...and they aren't. Therefore you have a preferance.

Is that it? or..

Do I like baseball, which is why I might watch Tampa and Toronto?

Just like I like watching TV, Movies..etc in High Def. Therefore I opt for both HD DVD and Blu-ray since its the only way I can get the movies I want on media I can own and view at my leisure.

So my preference is really towards HD.

I don't know how many BD's you've watched vs. HDDVD's but I have two BD players, two 1080p tv's over 100 BD's and nearly 60 HDDVD's I can tell you I am consistantly more impressed with the Highbitrate AVC & even some mpeg2
over HDDVD and it's low bit-rate VC-1. I know VC-1 is good, DeJa Vu proved that. But the ONLY titles in VC-1 to me that are compareable in sharpness to what I have gotten used to with BD is Kong, HotFuzz & PitchBlack. Vs. just about 95% of Sony & Disney titles that look Awesome. You do the math.

I've watched everyone I've watched I have found them all to look good. Only title on either format that I was unhappy with was Total Recall. I think in part, maybe I can't distinguish simply because my TV is a Projector. Its a 92" 720P image.

I can respect this, and whole heartedly agree. I think with a little more watching, you will soon gain the trained eye for detail and start noticing the difference in not only PQ, but number of esclusive hit titles on Blu-ray.

I'm not sure if I will until I get a 1080P set, but time will tell. What I am interested in is hearing lossless audio, but I'm not about to buy a new receiver now. That's far down on my list as I am very happy with my 5.1 surround.

[Kololo]

Originally Posted by Blu-dock Saint

I think we all need to calm down and take a "blu" chill pill.

lol that was so bad it was good

[BTBuck1]

Originally Posted by Mr.Neutral

If we're talking what if, Sony would eventually would have to release on HD DVD - they couldn't give up the losses. Sure they'd stick with Blu-ray for a LONG time though.

Okay Ami_...um i mean "Mr.Neutral" ...sure.

And like I said about the others - for me, they aren't tangible yet. And I still haven't gotten a clear answer on the higher bit-rate being something that will be visible without a side by side comparison.

you have seen 12 movies...Your opinion on the war and PQ is hardly credible at this point. Get back to me when you've seen like 35-40 flicks on each.
You can not deny Science. Higher Bit-rate= less compression=less loss. If you can't tell the difference, either your display device sucks, your vision is poor, Or...your an HDDVD fanboy who lives by Amir's "law of diminishing returns"...My opinion on Diminishing returns then is, why film anything in such High res to begin with....if it doesn't matter, Why have PC monitors higher than 1080p? Hmm, those iMac monitors sure look better than my 1080p sony Xbright. I wonder why? oh...it's just Placebo right

My point is - Why should it matter?

You'll never get it, because you already had your mind made up from the first time you registered here with the controversial name and subsequent posts. My guess, you are here to try and solidify that you will get banned for simply being Neutral here...lol

[grip24]

Originally Posted by Kololo

Now I love Blu Ray, and want it to win too.

But seriously saying stuff like HD DUD & Para***** is just pathetic.
Look at it from this point of view;

Random man in mid 40's browsing the net trying to decide which format to go for & stumbles into this site. Now while here he sees people using these names & he is automatically going to assume Blu Ray owners must be 13 year olds with PS3/pathetic fan boys.

We all want Blu to win, why not be mature about it. Why lower our selves to the standards of HD DVD companys by using such lame terms.

Maybe they re 8 years old...

[Mr.Neutral]

Originally Posted by GTP

Neutral people are..

1 usually hiding under the guise of format neutrality to bash BD. and/or trying to sway others to the dark side.
2 Selfish non forward thinkers that are directly helping what was a pillow fight, turn into a never ending war that leaves us with nitche formats at best, with low bit rate/bandwith HD downloads taking over.

I have far more respect for owners of one format, particularly if that format is BD.

Format neutral speak as well as hd dvd speak should be kept on the other forums that Microsoft pays off instead of this fine site IMO.

I think thats fairly inaccurate. Format neutral are not sustaining the war. Its those that are only supporting 1 format that are.

And your last comment - are you saying those that are neutral shouldn't post here? This should only be a site for those in love with blu-ray? hmm.. maybe I should setup a new site - forum.i-love-blu-ray.com?

Discussion people like myself and even those pro-HD DVD is good since it helps promote learning. Heck, I would think it would be great for the support of blu-ray to get all the info from the die hard HD DVD supporters. To beat the enemy, you need to know the enemy.

[Aaron]

Originally Posted by Mr.Neutral

And what does that mean?

I really start to wonder how many people have been turned off by blu-ray just by some of the responses they may have gotten here? It certainly doesn't seem friendly.

And I support blu-ray a significant amount. I've only had my PS3 6 weeks approximately and have 12 Blu-ray's.

Well, since the only people that can see this thread are members, then nobody has been turned off BD.

This is Blu-ray.com, keep that in mind. If it were a discussion board for both formats, then you could boast about having an HD DVD player. But the people here; like BTBuck1, who have an HD DVD player, obviously like BD much, much better.

[BTBuck1]

Originally Posted by Mr.Neutral

I think thats fairly inaccurate. Format neutral are not sustaining the war. Its those that are only supporting 1 format that are.

ok, now I know you are full of it.

And your last comment - are you saying those that are neutral shouldn't post here? This should only be a site for those in love with blu-ray? hmm.. maybe I should setup a new site - forum.i-love-blu-ray.com?

See I knew it...It's almost like the "it's cus i'm black stuff" you hear. It's like it was all building up to pull this card out.

Discussion people like myself and even those pro-HD DVD is good since it helps promote learning. Heck, I would think it would be great for the support of blu-ray to get all the info from the die hard HD DVD supporters. To beat the enemy, you need to know the enemy.

you wanna learn about HDDVD, go to HDDVD.com, and or Zealot central AVMS. Trust me, (US) we've heard all the arguments, thats why we are here...to avoid it, and the likes of people like you...trying to "Educate" us.

How many does it take, for you to realize, we don't want none, we gave at the office.

[Mr.Neutral]

Originally Posted by BTBuck1

Okay Ami_...um i mean "Mr.Neutral" ...sure.

Its just a fact. I'm not saying who will win - I do think blu-ray will win. You brought it up. Sony did release on VHS, although it took them a very long time, so it is plausible to think they'd do the same.

you have seen 12 movies...Your opinion on the war and PQ is hardly credible at this point. Get back to me when you've seen like 35-40 flicks on each.
You can not deny Science. Higher Bit-rate= less compression=less loss. If you can't tell the difference, either your display device sucks, your vision is poor, Or...your an HDDVD fanboy who lives by Amir's "law of diminishing returns"...My opinion on Diminishing returns then is, why film anything in such High res to begin with....if it doesn't matter, Why have PC monitors higher than 1080p? Hmm, those iMac monitors sure look better than my 1080p sony Xbright. I wonder why? oh...it's just Placebo right

No. I OWN 12 movies. I use netflix for the rest. And I believe my reason for not seeing a difference is probably 720P. I've tried to get good answers on whether 1080P is needed to see a real benefit and I've yet to get a good answer. I will have 1080P in the future, so I think the benefit of PQ is valid - I just haven't seen it myself.

You'll never get it, because you already had your mind made up from the first time you registered here with the controversial name and subsequent posts. My guess, you are here to try and solidify that you will get banned for simply being Neutral here...lol

No, I have nothing made up. I think blu-ray will win. I like both. I simply aim to get a better understanding of the differences and benefits. You can see a difference and hear a difference. I can't today. If someone would simply say "Duh.. its because the difference can't be seen on a 720P image", then I'd say, ok, thanks.

I do want to listen to the more advanced audio codecs though, that's just going to be a awhile.

[BTBuck1]

Originally Posted by Aaron

Well, since the only people that can see this thread are members, then nobody has been turned off BD.

This is Blu-ray.com, keep that in mind. If it were a discussion board for both formats, then you could boast about having an HD DVD player. But the people here; like BTBuck1, who have an HD DVD player, obviously like BD much, much better.

exactly, and if I want to talk about HDDVD, I do it with the tools over at AVS. However, If I go over there as BTBuck1 I instantly get no credibility as I am referred to as a BD shill (and proud of it), and rightfully so in their eyes i guess.