Die Hard Quadrilogy coming 7th Nov......to Japan

[WriteSimply]

Originally Posted by MovieMan19

Look that information up on highdefdigest.com or thedigitalbits.com and they will confirm that until Oct. 31st no player is confirmed to handled all of BD-J's features.

You just repeated a FUD that HD-DVD supporters are known to spew. So I can't really tell if you're uninformed or a troll.

BEFORE Oct 31st, BD players are not obligated to be Profile 1.1/2.0 compliant. AFTER that date, ALL new BD player models must be; older players can still be sold. So it's really not up to the BDA to force the CEs to release Profile 1.1/2.0 before that date, however the CEs themselves can do so right now if they want to.

They will handle the movie and some features but not necessarily all of the advanced features, such as PiP or Internet Interactivity to name a few.

BD-J is the programming language behind BD playback. In itself, it is complete. It is up to the players to be 1.1/2.0 compliant. A Profile 2.0 disc can't connect to the internet with a 1.0 player nor can the extra content be fully downloaded with a 1.1 content. But a Profile 2.0 on a Profile 2.0 player can do all of the disc is intended to do. BD-J ensures that the disc features matches the player and not the other way around. In effect, the playback of the disc will be seamless regardless if the player is 1.0 or 2.0.

While you clearly like the PiP and internet features of HD-DVD, list out all of the releases that uses them so far. Compare that to the number of HD-DVDs that do not have 'em. You will find the ratio is not too compelling.

This is why it's not a compelling argument to have. We are seven weeks to go till the mandatory cut-off date for Profile 1.0 players. After that, players 1.1 compliant. By which time just like HD-DVD, the ratio of titles with PiP or internet connectivity won't be 50:50 or 1:0 but the capability for BD to do so is there. Basically the final talking point of HD-DVD fanatics will expire in seven weeks.

That's the whole reason Warner's major HD-DVD title have not come to Blu-Ray yet, they are waiting for players that can handle the features.

I think 300 has proven that it IS a major Warner title. 300 has also proven that PiP and HDi matters little to BD owners.

They are nifty features, but they are not the deal breakers. Once the final testing is done, then Warner and other studios can release 1.1/2.0 discs. Then they will see how much more Batman Begins they can sell on BD than they have done so on HD-DVD.


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[Esox50]

Originally Posted by WriteSimply

Basically the final talking point of HD-DVD fanatics will expire in seven weeks.

I think 300 has proven that it IS a major Warner title. 300 has also proven that PiP and HDi matters little to BD owners.

It is amazing though how many people in the press have lapped this interactivity/profile 1.1 (or 2.0) thing up though. Go check the CEDIA reports over at the old Sterephile Guide to Home Theater website.

You are correct though. The number of titles using this whole IME, or PiP, or whatever you want to call it is small. Once the BD titles are available with it, my guess is that we'll hardly ever hear people talking about how great IME is.

Basically, anything that HD DVD has that BD doesn't is the greatest thing ever...until BD gets it. You know, Batman Begins and V for Vendetta are the greatest VC-1 encodes, IME is the best, Transformers is going to win the format war in Toshiba's "great HDDVD comeback", etc, etc. This is precisely the "stuff" that has caused most of us who used to engage HD DVDers last year to call it quits and post more here. There's no sense in arguing with idiots...

[MovieMan19]

Originally Posted by Esox50

It is amazing though how many people in the press have lapped this interactivity/profile 1.1 (or 2.0) thing up though. Go check the CEDIA reports over at the old Sterephile Guide to Home Theater website.

You are correct though. The number of titles using this whole IME, or PiP, or whatever you want to call it is small. Once the BD titles are available with it, my guess is that we'll hardly ever hear people talking about how great IME is.

Basically, anything that HD DVD has that BD doesn't is the greatest thing ever...until BD gets it. You know, Batman Begins and V for Vendetta are the greatest VC-1 encodes, IME is the best, Transformers is going to win the format war in Toshiba's "great HDDVD comeback", etc, etc. This is precisely the "stuff" that has caused most of us who used to engage HD DVDers last year to call it quits and post more here. There's no sense in arguing with idiots...

I work in the industry and am quite informed in both formats, I'm hardly an idiot. I also have both formats and have compared both on the highest quality available in both. Batman Begins does have one of the best high def transfers available on any format as does Crank on Blu-Ray which is an exclusive title to Blu-Ray. The issue of codec was not brought up here, only BD-J issues. Until Sony & the BDA show that all machines releases can be upgraded to profile 1.1 or higher they are at a disadvantage, especially if the PS3 can't upgrade to it. Right now people talking about Profile 1.1 being fully compatible with all Blu-Ray machines is like HD-DVD supporters saying there will definately be no issues with triple-layer HD-DVD's working on first generation machines as well. Until either is proven there is no fact to either statment, they are just assumption based on what the companies behind both formats are saying, which everyone should be able to agree is not always the god's honest truth.

[ryoohki]

Originally Posted by MovieMan19

I work in the industry and am quite informed in both formats, I'm hardly an idiot. I also have both formats and have compared both on the highest quality available in both. Batman Begins does have one of the best high def transfers available on any format as does Crank on Blu-Ray which is an exclusive title to Blu-Ray. The issue of codec was not brought up here, only BD-J issues. Until Sony & the BDA show that all machines releases can be upgraded to profile 1.1 or higher they are at a disadvantage, especially if the PS3 can't upgrade to it. Right now people talking about Profile 1.1 being fully compatible with all Blu-Ray machines is like HD-DVD supporters saying there will definately be no issues with triple-layer HD-DVD's working on first generation machines as well. Until either is proven there is no fact to either statment, they are just assumption based on what the companies behind both formats are saying, which everyone should be able to agree is not always the god's honest truth.

LOL if the CPU of the Xbox360 is able to decompress HD DVD PIP, PS3 CPU can, PS3 CPU is way more math based than the xbox 360 cpu.

In Avs forum, in the insider thread, one said that Sony have a solution for PS3 since a longggggggggggggg time ago.... but they don't want to kill their CE market, so they'll wait until CE are into 1.1 or 2.0 to release the PS3 software for it.

The First demo of teh PS3 was 7 1080p PIP video playing in overlay..

[WickyWoo]

There is no question in anyone's mind that the PS3 is fully Profile 2.0 compliant.

[BStecke]

Movieman . . . give it up, you're getting owned with everything you say. If you think HD DVD has so much going for it, ok, go buy HD DVD and go to their forum. I can't see how you think that, but ok. Just stop talking ignorant shit.

[MovieMan19]

Originally Posted by BStecke

Movieman . . . give it up, you're getting owned with everything you say. If you think HD DVD has so much going for it, ok, go buy HD DVD and go to their forum. I can't see how you think that, but ok. Just stop talking ignorant shit.

I said I'm neutral, all I said was where Blu-Ray is messing up. If you think they are doing everything great you're living in a dream world. And I've stated nothing but facts which I know are true and are well represented. I am far from ignorant. I can say that HD-DVD forums don't attack people with ideas of what has to be fixed in order to win the war. I can't say the same for Blu-Ray supporters on this forum. No one is willing to say that Blu-Ray has issues that need to be addressed if they hope to win the war.

[BStecke]

Originally Posted by MovieMan19

I said I'm neutral, all I said was where Blu-Ray is messing up. If you think they are doing everything great you're living in a dream world. And I've stated nothing but facts which I know are true and are well represented. I am far from ignorant. I can say that HD-DVD forums don't attack people with ideas of what has to be fixed in order to win the war. I can't say the same for Blu-Ray supporters on this forum. No one is willing to say that Blu-Ray has issues that need to be addressed if they hope to win the war.

Most of the "facts" you've presented have been proven incorrect . . . and have you been to AVS!? It's like Jonestown over there, the people are so blinded by their delusions, and unlike here, they BAN people for stating an opinion, or God forbid a proven FACT, that has anything negative to do with HD DVD. The FACT is, a top tier Blu-ray release is leaps and bounds above any top tier HD DVD release, and that's because HD DVD, by limit of its technology, cannot produce the same quality that Blu-ray can. The only limitations of Blu-ray vs. HD DVD are in the "value added" features, which, myself and pretty much everybody else here didn't spend ~$2000 or more on a TV, however much for audio and the equipment to maximize our enjoyment of Blu-ray, to watch the BS extras. So, yes, Blu-ray has limitations, but they don't compromise where it matters most, which is the presentation of the movies themselves. For most, including me, the selection of movies on HD DVD pretty much sucks. And even the titles that would be worth picking up are typically marred by sub-standard audio and the softness associated with VC-1. So . . . there's some facts.

Circling back . . . don't spout off information that is false, and then keep coming back trying to prove your credibility, because you don't have any. Everybody online is "in the industry," or has a "source," or whatever. I'd check my sources if I were you.