Plasma thoughts & suggestions for a noob.

[My_Two_Cents]

Originally Posted by Cevolution

Plasmas and lcd tv's last the same amount of time when you take into account the differences in price. Plasma's should last a person over 10 years and an lcd tv should last about double that, but considering lcd/led's are double the price then so they should last twice as long. Realistically most average people buy a new tv about every 10 years anyway, not 20.

While you are spot-on with your other rebuttals, I had to scratch my head at this one. Unless something has changed and there's an article I've missed, there is NO difference in the "life" of a plasma versus LCD set. Longevity is measured in half-life, or the number of hours of continuous use until the set outputs one half the brightness capability it did when new. Both technologies today are advertising 100K hours, which, like you commented, is WAY beyond the real-world life of a set.

It is entertaining, though, to see these uninformed "new members" come into the forums every so often attempting to educate us idiot-troglodyte-plasma-owners with their FUD. This guy won't last long around here...

[Cevolution]

Originally Posted by Ricshoe

While you are spot-on with your other rebuttals, I had to scratch my head at this one. Unless something has changed and there's an article I've missed, there is NO difference in the "life" of a plasma versus LCD set. Longevity is measured in half-life, or the number of hours of continuous use until the set outputs one half the brightness capability it did when new. Both technologies today are advertising 100K hours, which, like you commented, is WAY beyond the real-world life of a set.

It is entertaining, though, to see these uninformed "new members" come into the forums every so often attempting to educate us idiot-troglodyte-plasma-owners with their FUD. This guy won't last long around here...

I've read so many conflicting things about the life span of plasmas and lcd's, some sources say lcd's last longer than plasmas, where others say the opposite that plasmas last longer lcd's, and some even quote what you've said, that the life span of both is about the same. I was more talking in a sense of even if the life span of plasmas is in fact less than lcd's, based on how much cheaper they are in comparison, then you're not really losing out on anything. I should have explained myself a bit better there, sorry.

[My_Two_Cents]

Originally Posted by Cevolution

I've read so many conflicting things about the life span of plasmas and lcd's, some sources say lcd's last longer than plasmas, where others say the opposite that plasmas last longer lcd's, and some even quote what you've said, that the life span of both is about the same. I was more talking in a sense of even if the life span of plasmas is in fact less than lcd's, based on how much cheaper they are in comparison, then you're not really losing out on anything. I should have explained myself a bit better there, sorry.

The bottom line, as you said, is that it is a non-issue. You'll be upgrading your set LONG before it reaches its useful life (or something else will crap-out during that time). I have to admit, though, that my 8 year-old Pany plasma is still going strong, and it probably sees the most use in our house as it's in the MBR where my wife likes to watch most TV.

[elwaylite]

Also, the current true life of the LED LCD's is really an unknown.

[Sonny]

Originally Posted by susancts

Agreed that picture quality of Plasma displays is better than LEDs but it is not a "day and night" difference. Now, you are talking about top end Plasma TVs so have a look at the disadvantages it comes with.

1) Plasma TVs suffer from image burn out.
2) Enormous amount of power is consumed by a Plasma TV when compared to a similar sized LED TV.
3) Plasma TVs are pretty big and bulky as compared to a similar sized LED TV.
4) Life of Plasma TV is less compared to LEDs.
5) Yes, Plasmas are less expensive but if you are prepared to buy a top end Plasma, one time cost hardly matters.

Classic

1. not true
2. not true
3. not true
4. not true
5. Whatever the hell you're talking about...who care's...nobody.

You are entitled to your opinions, just don't shoot them out like facts. Welcome to the forum.

[susancts]

Originally Posted by Cevolution

You just sound like another misinformed individual who has bought into all the propaganda about plasmas. Just about all your points are way off.

Yes plasma tv's can experience burn in, but so can lcd tv's quite easily as well. Permanent burn in on today's plasmas is rare, and shouldn't happen if you're smart about it. People needing to be greatly concerned about burn in with plasmas is a thing of the past. As for pixel and image burn out, lcd tv's can suffer from that to the same extent as plasmas. Back/edge lighting that lights up an lcd panel can fail, which is actually starting to happen to my Sony Bravia xbr4 40" lcd tv after only 4 years (granted it was set to vivid mode for the 1st 3 of the last 4 years, which is probably what has caused it to start happening so quickly), the back light just doesn't turn on and light up when you turn the tv on sometimes, so you can't see the picture.

Power consumption, I really don't know why this is such a big deal. Is it that much of a big drama that your electricity bill is going to be a whole $20-$30 more expensive every quarter (approximately $80-$120 a year), it's such a small amount of money so who cares. If you think by buying an led tv that you're doing your bit for the environment then you're kidding yourself. Every time you heat up your kettle, use your toaster, oven or stove top, hot water etc those products are using far more electricity than any plasma does, so why people care so much about how much energy their tv uses is ridiculous.

Plasma's are pretty big and bulky compared to similar sized led's? . Take a look at the attachments below, they show the measurement specs of Samsung's un55c8000 led model from last year and samsungs pn59d8000 plasma from this year (I used those 2 tv's as a comparison because they are almost identical in design)

http://www.samsung.com/levant/consum...=specification

http://www.samsung.com/au/consumer/t...=specification

If you consider an extra 1.3 cm's (13mm) in thickness (depth) to be bulky, then you've got me amused.

Plasmas and lcd tv's last the same amount of time when you take into account the differences in price. Plasma's should last a person over 10 years and an lcd tv should last about double that, but considering lcd/led's are double the price then so they should last twice as long. Realistically most average people buy a new tv about every 10 years anyway, not 20.

In my previous post I was comparing the performance of high end to high end, mid range to mid range and low quality to low quality, well that's at least what I meant anyway. 99.99% of the time if you compare high end plasma's to high end led's, plasma's come out in front. The same goes if you compare mid range plasma's to mid range led's, and so on, I'm sure you get the idea.

Imo the problems that most lcd/led's have are far worse than any with plasmas. You mentioned to member trombone dixie to check out Samsung's un55d8000 led model, well the problem with that model tv is it suffers from really bad screen uniformity issues, and it makes it hard to enjoy movies in the dark because of backlight bleed. Generally the thinner an led tv is the more of a problem screen uniformity becomes because manufactures use edge lighting instead of backlighting to achieve the thin look. Screen uniformity is just 1 of many issues that plague lcd's.

Btw why come into a plasma thread harping on about LED panels and the reasons you think they are better than plasma's? If you want to discuss lcd tv's then do it in the appropriate threads.

First of all I would like to clear doubts if any. I do not hate Plasmas. In fact, I like Plasma TVs as much I like LED TVs. When LCD TVs started making ground for themselves in the electronic market, they were poor. They were expensive, consumed a lot of power and display was no where as good as Plasma's. Black was never black.

Things improved and LCD/LED TVs were way up in their performance in every respect. Likewise, Plasma TVs have also got better. As LEDs are matching Plasmas in picture quality similarly Plasmas are matching LEDs in their size, bulkiness, power consumption and longevity. Today we are talking about advantages and disadvantages of one over the other. But as the gap is closing, soon there won't be anything significant to talk about much in this regard and I think that would be a good thing.

Yet again I mentioned LCDs and LEDs in this thread but sometimes it is difficult to talk about one particular technology in isolation. Don't you think so?!

[feeifif]

If you have a bright room, go with the LED or LCD. If you can control your lighting, then go with the plasma.

[West E]

for my dark, home theater environment I'll take plasma 10 times out of 10 (altho I hear the Elite is amazing). I love the natural, real look and i'll really dig in and fine tune it.

all my other rooms I have LCD's (and edge lit LEDs).

so i tend to think of plasma as the serious "real deal" technology and my other TV's in various bright rooms as ones that are friendlier. Is that proper or correct? Maybe. Maybe not. But that's how i've built things here.

[Dignan12]

Don't mean to hijack the thread, but I'm new to the forum, and it won't let me post a new thread for some reason. But after reading some of the posts of the members here I registered because I thought you guys could possibly help me out.

I recently bought a 46" Samsung UN46D6000 LED tv. It has a beautiful picture, but I have noticed a few things that bother me. First, in a few standard DVD movies and some shows via my Uverse cable, I have encountered the slow pan judder that drives me nuts. Second, I can use the Auto Motion Plus to fix this to a degree, but then the Soap Opera Effect is more pronounced, and I personally hate the way that looks. I prefer my films to look like they were in the theater.

So, that said, I have considered taking back the LED I have now and getting Plasma. Before I do that, I have been researching some plasmas online, and I noticed on PlasmaBuyingGuide.com that the Panasonic ST30 showed some judder on slow pans. Obviously, if I go to the trouble to unhook my current TV and take it back, I don't want to have the same judder problems all over again.

My question is this: Are plasmas plagued by judder issues as well or is there a particular brand and model that handles this better than others? Also, I have read that plasmas dont suffer from Soap Opera effect as badly as LEDs. Is that correct?

Recommendations on TVs would be appreciated keeping in mind that I want to stay around 46" and $1500 or less in cost. I would like a TV that makes movies and sports look great, but not fake with SOE. And the living room where the TV will reside is has a glass sliding door that is easily covered, so lighting issues shouldn't be an issue.

Thanks for any help.

[My_Two_Cents]

Originally Posted by Dignan12

Don't mean to hijack the thread, but I'm new to the forum, and it won't let me post a new thread for some reason. But after reading some of the posts of the members here I registered because I thought you guys could possibly help me out.

I recently bought a 46" Samsung UN46D6000 LED tv. It has a beautiful picture, but I have noticed a few things that bother me. First, in a few standard DVD movies and some shows via my Uverse cable, I have encountered the slow pan judder that drives me nuts. Second, I can use the Auto Motion Plus to fix this to a degree, but then the Soap Opera Effect is more pronounced, and I personally hate the way that looks. I prefer my films to look like they were in the theater.

So, that said, I have considered taking back the LED I have now and getting Plasma. Before I do that, I have been researching some plasmas online, and I noticed on PlasmaBuyingGuide.com that the Panasonic ST30 showed some judder on slow pans. Obviously, if I go to the trouble to unhook my current TV and take it back, I don't want to have the same judder problems all over again.

My question is this: Are plasmas plagued by judder issues as well or is there a particular brand and model that handles this better than others? Also, I have read that plasmas dont suffer from Soap Opera effect as badly as LEDs. Is that correct?

Recommendations on TVs would be appreciated keeping in mind that I want to stay around 46" and $1500 or less in cost. I would like a TV that makes movies and sports look great, but not fake with SOE. And the living room where the TV will reside is has a glass sliding door that is easily covered, so lighting issues shouldn't be an issue.

Thanks for any help.

Jutter (judder?) is typically associated with panning shots of 24p material displayed on a device refreshing at a rate not divisible by 24 (e.g., 60Hz standard plasma refresh rate). Not sure why you are seeing this on your LCD, as is should be 120 or 240Hz.

Regardless, you'll most likely experience the same thing with an ST30. You'd need to upgrade to the VT30 to get true 96Hz 24p mode. The GT30 has a 24p mode, but it's a 48Hz mode and some see flicker with this. I hate to admit it, but I've yet to play with it on my 24p mode on my GT30, so I can't comment from personal experience. I'm not familiar enough with the Samsung models to comment, but I believe the two top models both have good 24p modes.

[Dignan12]

thanks Ricshoe!

I'll look into the VT30 as I definitely don't want any flicker when watching movies. I'd feel like I was just trading the judder and SOE of my LED for another problem.

If I have to go thru the hassle of taking this thing apart, putting it back in the box and taking it back, I want to get it right this time and not have to do it yet again.

Has anyone else experience with the ST30, GT30 or VT30 with the 24p mode and how well that works and if you have experienced any problems with flicker or judder?

Thanks

[nyraiderfan]

Originally Posted by Dignan12

thanks Ricshoe!

I'll look into the VT30 as I definitely don't want any flicker when watching movies. I'd feel like I was just trading the judder and SOE of my LED for another problem.

If I have to go thru the hassle of taking this thing apart, putting it back in the box and taking it back, I want to get it right this time and not have to do it yet again.

Has anyone else experience with the ST30, GT30 or VT30 with the 24p mode and how well that works and if you have experienced any problems with flicker or judder?

Thanks

I bought a Samsung un55d8000 and was not happy with not only the screen uniformity but I also expereinced the judder with DVD....so I took the tv back to best buy and exchanged it for the pn59d8000 Plasma for the same 1999 cost. Problems are solved with this plasma.

[Dignan12]

Originally Posted by Ricshoe

Jutter (judder?) is typically associated with panning shots of 24p material displayed on a device refreshing at a rate not divisible by 24 (e.g., 60Hz standard plasma refresh rate). Not sure why you are seeing this on your LCD, as is should be 120 or 240Hz.

Regardless, you'll most likely experience the same thing with an ST30. You'd need to upgrade to the VT30 to get true 96Hz 24p mode. The GT30 has a 24p mode, but it's a 48Hz mode and some see flicker with this. I hate to admit it, but I've yet to play with it on my 24p mode on my GT30, so I can't comment from personal experience. I'm not familiar enough with the Samsung models to comment, but I believe the two top models both have good 24p modes.

Thanks for the help! The Samsung Plasma I am looking at is the D6500 model. Mainly I watch sports and movies (for which I do NOT want any Soap Opera Effect). Does anyone have any comments on that model of plasma and how it handles sports and movies naturally? Also, any problems with that model that I need to be aware of or avoid?

Thanks.