Playstation "Orbis"

[PirateBooty]

Originally Posted by tarvis

No, sorry, that is not what I am writing. If EA lowers the price of Mass Effect on the PSN, that is the new retail price in a big box retailer like Walmart, Target, etc. If Amazon lowers the price of Mass Effect 3, as they often do, they are taking the hit themselves and a new retail price is not set. Whether on PSN or at another big box retailer. But, of course, some retailers may price match.

Okay, this is what I was thinking but by saying that the pricing is governed by retailers, you're implying that once the retailers drop the price of digital downloads, then PSN and XBLA follow suit. This is why I questioned your original post which tells the opposite of this post.

[Mavrick]

Hopefully the only deciding choice between the next conbsoles will be which one you have a bigger friends list on

I'm all for equal hardware. Hell they could be the exact same machines just with different online fronts for all I care.

I'm 90% certain I will be sticking with PS. At the moment it's because online is free. But that could change for the next gen. In which case everything will be equal, and I will be facing a very tough choice.

I have a big group of online friends on PS but I know more people IRL that have an xbox.

[Mavrick]

Originally Posted by SleeperAgent

THE NEXT PLAYSTATION, AT A GLANCE
Won't be backwards compatible with PS3 games.
No sale.
Will lock new games to a PSN account as an anti-used games measure.
Extra incentive not to buy.

If these two things are for real Sony just alienated a lot of their customer base. I barely went online with my PS3, and borrowed games/bought used ALL THE TIME. Plus now all the games you may have amassed are incompatible? This system is destined to fall hard.

Well, really thats not a great loss for Sony if you don't buy the console, because what generates the big bucks for them are the software sales, so if you only borowed and bought pre owned then all they lose out on is 1 less hardware sale, which isn't a huge loss to them.

I don't know wht the majority opinion is on the whole B/C thing. Bu there was a huge fuss about it when we moved to PS3. And in all honesty I played a few games on it just to see what it was like. But once I'd started playing PS3 games I never looked back to PS2 games.

Will most people be selling their PS3 as soon as they get the next one? I keep all my consoles, so in the event I ever wanted to play a PS3 game, I could anyway. But going by past experiance once I've upgraded I will never look back.

[Steelmaker]

Originally Posted by Mavrick

Hopefully the only deciding choice between the next conbsoles will be which one you have a bigger friends list on

I'm all for equal hardware. Hell they could be the exact same machines just with different online fronts for all I care.

I'm 90% certain I will be sticking with PS. At the moment it's because online is free. But that could change for the next gen. In which case everything will be equal, and I will be facing a very tough choice.

I have a big group of online friends on PS but I know more people IRL that have an xbox.

I own both consoles this gen but I'm seriously thinking about going 1 console exclusive next gen. For me, unless MS comes out next gen with free online, a blu ray player, and a MASSIVE improvement in their in-house gaming development, I'm going to be Sony 100% all the way! To me, these are still the 3 deciding factors as to why I prefer PS3 over Xbox. The online services for me are equal enough that it's not really a deciding factor for me (except the fact that Sony's online is free, though that may change next gen).

Both consoles are going to have their fair share of 3rd party support. However it's the exclusives that make or break a console to me and when you look at that, it's really no contest! PS3 owns Xbox in terms of exclusive in-house games!

[Mavrick]

Originally Posted by Steelmaker

I own both consoles this gen but I'm seriously thinking about going 1 console exclusive next gen. For me, unless MS comes out next gen with free online, a blu ray player, and a MASSIVE improvement in their in-house gaming development, I'm going to be Sony 100% all the way! To me, these are still the 3 deciding factors as to why I prefer PS3 over Xbox. The online services for me are equal enough that it's not really a deciding factor for me (except the fact that Sony's online is free, though that may change next gen).

Both consoles are going to have their fair share of 3rd party support. However it's the exclusives that make or break a console to me and when you look at that, it's really no contest! PS3 owns Xbox in terms of exclusive in-house games!

Agreed.

I can only think of one game thats xbox exclusive that I'd like to play and thats the Fable series. I'm sure if you gave me a list of all the exclusives I could pick a few more but Fables the only one that sticks in my mind.

[J6P]

Originally Posted by SleeperAgent

I barely went online with my PS3, and borrowed games/bought used ALL THE TIME. Plus now all the games you may have amassed are incompatible? This system is destined to fall hard.

If that's the case, Sony is not worried about losing you at all. They wouldn't even consider you a customer quite frankly, nor would any hardware console manufacturer, based on your buying pattern.

Sony, just like Microsoft, will lose a massive amount of money on all of these new console sales for quite some time after introduction. Years. They need 1st party software sales, that's where the money is. New software sales, not used. They're the only ones that count. Sales of used games do not drive the platform, nor make any money for anyone other than GameStop.

This has been the reality for quite some time.

[Monkey]

Originally Posted by Steelmaker

I own both consoles this gen but I'm seriously thinking about going 1 console exclusive next gen. For me, unless MS comes out next gen with free online, a blu ray player, and a MASSIVE improvement in their in-house gaming development, I'm going to be Sony 100% all the way! To me, these are still the 3 deciding factors as to why I prefer PS3 over Xbox. The online services for me are equal enough that it's not really a deciding factor for me (except the fact that Sony's online is free, though that may change next gen).

Both consoles are going to have their fair share of 3rd party support. However it's the exclusives that make or break a console to me and when you look at that, it's really no contest! PS3 owns Xbox in terms of exclusive in-house games!

I had all three this gen (now 2, Started with the 360 but the 360 is a distant memory). If this gen and the previous gen are any indication then Sony is going to continue to have the best gaming line up by a landslide again.

[SleeperAgent]

Originally Posted by J6P

If that's the case, Sony is not worried about losing you at all. They wouldn't even consider you a customer quite frankly, nor would any hardware console manufacturer, based on your buying pattern.

Sony, just like Microsoft, will lose a massive amount of money on all of these new console sales for quite some time after introduction. Years. They need 1st party software sales, that's where the money is. New software sales, not used. They're the only ones that count. Sales of used games do not drive the platform, nor make any money for anyone other than GameStop.

This has been the reality for quite some time.

I'm not saying I didn't buy new games ever, just that a lot of games I picked up used on the cheap or borrowed first to try out. Forcing customers to purchase a new game rather than try it out first will piss people off.

(For clarification, I'm not supportive of Gamestop, but I do buy quite a few games on ebay, amazon used)

[dereksworl]

Originally Posted by SoCalTiger

THANK GOD that they are moving to an AMD-based CPU/GPU and dropping all backward compatibility. This is what I was praying they would do all along for the past few years.

Hopefully this means the architecture will be better aligned with the PC and XBOX in the first place so we don't end up with a bunch of shitty ports. Closer architecture = less hours porting games = better parity across all systems. This also is a big help for PC gamers too, BTW.

The whole thing about locking down games is annoying though. That just pisses me off.

With them moving to arch similar to the 360 i would imagine the games would pretty much look identical. in that case, price, system interface, and system exclusives will be key. hope Sony doesnt F it up.........

[Steelmaker]

Originally Posted by Mavrick

Agreed.

I can only think of one game thats xbox exclusive that I'd like to play and thats the Fable series. I'm sure if you gave me a list of all the exclusives I could pick a few more but Fables the only one that sticks in my mind.

Forza 4 is the only thing I'm playing on Xbox. Granted, it's awesome and I am REALLY hoping that Polyphony wakes up and elevates GT6 to match some of the features Forza has. Otherwise, no way in hell would I give up playing franchises like...

Little Big Planet
Uncharted
Gran Turismo
God of War
Wipeout
Twisted Metal
Infamous
Killzone
Journey
Warhawk
Ratchet and Clank
Jak and Daxter
Heavy Rain

...to be Xbox exclusive. It's not even close! Plus not having blu ray is a no sale for me.

[J6P]

Originally Posted by SleeperAgent

I'm not saying I didn't buy new games ever, just that a lot of games I picked up used on the cheap or borrowed first to try out. Forcing customers to purchase a new game rather than try it out first will piss people off.

(For clarification, I'm not supportive of Gamestop, but I do buy quite a few games on ebay, amazon used)

I'm just saying that's why they're doing this -- the used game lockout. To the extent that the used game market thrives, the bottom line at the top shrinks.

In the current model, they have no choice but to consider every used game sale to be a loss. For them, it serves to choke out their ecosystem as a single new game sale proliferates to 2 or 6 or 12 gamers all playing that same game one after the other, all without passing any money up to the developer or platform manufacturer.

It sucks, but they have to address it somehow, and walk that tightrope between getting your business on the console side while still protecting their developer partner's investment in putting these games out. Developers need new game sales to stay in business, period.

[SleeperAgent]

Originally Posted by J6P

I'm just saying that's why they're doing this -- the used game lockout. To the extent that the used game market thrives, the bottom line at the top shrinks.

In the current model, they have no choice but to consider every used game sale to be a loss. For them, it serves to choke out their ecosystem as a single new game sale proliferates to 2 or 6 or 12 gamers all playing that same game one after the other, all without passing any money up to the developer or platform manufacturer.

It sucks, but they have to address it somehow, and walk that tightrope between getting your business on the console side while still protecting their developer partner's investment in putting these games out. Developers need new game sales to stay in business, period.

I just figured they would make more money off online pass to recoup the loss of a used game sale. All the EA games do it now, if you didn't buy it new you gotta pony up $10 to play online. That's a system I am fine with.

[xtop]

games tied to one psn name? so i buy a game and everyone in my family can't play on their name?

lol sony. that hole they're digging just gets deeper and deeper all the time

[Monkey]

Originally Posted by SleeperAgent

I just figured they would make more money off online pass to recoup the loss of a used game sale. All the EA games do it now, if you didn't buy it new you gotta pony up $10 to play online. That's a system I am fine with.

My guess is they'll do more an more of having a smaller and smaller core game with extra content unlocked, like ME3's DLC at launch with the CE version.

Which really sucks for used games, rentals and those who can't get online. How am I going to activate the stuff for Mass Effect 3's Collector's Edition if I'm not online to enter the code?

[J6P]

Originally Posted by SleeperAgent

I just figured they would make more money off online pass to recoup the loss of a used game sale. All the EA games do it now, if you didn't buy it new you gotta pony up $10 to play online. That's a system I am fine with.

I'm thinking that the online pass was just the "camel's nose under the tent" as the saying goes. They're going to push farther and farther in that direction in an effort to align prices even closer to new sales.

[xtop]

the pastebin stuff is pretty funny. hard to tell if its true or not, but it does cement the orbis stuff

So, apparently, a lot of game developers have recently received the new PS4 and XBox 3 specifications so they can be ready when the prototype devkits drop. And I got ahold of them.

I tried to leak them to Engadget, but they weren't going to print it without independent confirmation, and no one is going to confirm this shit because they like their jobs. But being a jobless student, I figured someone should get some laughter out of this. So, here's the rundown.

No firm date has been set for either, but currently they are stating that they are both setting to launch for the Holiday season in 2013. Codename of XB3 is "Durango". PS4 Codename is "Orbis".

Both consoles are going to have Blu-Ray, with support for Single-Layer and Dual-layer, and higher-fidelity versions of their current motion control systems.

The X-Box 3 is going to have an 8-core 64-bit processor (assumedly an i7 or similar design) rated at 1.2 Teraflops. The PS4 will feature a 4-core 32-bit processor. XB3 will be using a GPU running support for DirectX 11, while the PS4 will be using an OpenGL 4 GPU. XB3 is specified to use 4 GB RAM, and the PS4 will be shipped with 2GB.

Specifications state that the PS4 will have *NO* hard drive by default, while the XB3 will come with a 500GB Hard Drive with 8GB of Flash memory. The XB3 will also have a 24/7 connectivity system which has not been entirely elaborated on, with coming support for cloud-based connectivity in 2015/2016.

Why do I have this? Well, let's just say that some major developers like EA games are currently very pissed because the PS4 specs are shitty compared to the next XBox and besides limiting their abilities in making more impressive games for the new Playstation, it's also going to shit up cross-platform titles in the same way that the lack of Blu-ray and Standard Hard Drive did with the XBox this generation, and Sony's not listening to their pleas for less shitty hardware. Right now, programmers are pretty much looking at it and comparing the two consoles like one is a high-end gaming PC and the other's a piece of shit eMachines unit from Walmart's $200 special (including monitor).

EDIT: The prototype PS4's will start hitting developers around Q3 2012.

so the new xbox sounds pretty awesome, but no used games there either. so i guess wii u is the only console i buy?

[Monkey]

Originally Posted by xtop

the pastebin stuff is pretty funny. hard to tell if its true or not, but it does cement the orbis stuff



so the new xbox sounds pretty awesome, but no used games there either. so i guess wii u is the only console i buy?

Sounds bogus, no HDD for the PS4 by default.

Durango? The question is how many chips until they get it to actually work.. It seemed like 20 chips, Falcon, Eagle, Egret, Prairie Dog..."Uh we think the next chip works.. really this time.. ..oh crap it doesn't.. lets try the Weasel chip".

edit "but it does cement the orbis stuff"

What does it cement?

[Mavrick]

Hahah I do love reading that pastebin post.

And if Sony do take that road than I really wouldn't hold it against them! What goes around comes around.

[NARMAK]

I'm gonna be extremely disappointed if the games are locked to a single account. That DRM type stance these companies are taking on physical media is DISGUSTING!!!!

They might as well call it 'DIGITAL SLAVERY!!! Who the feck do they think they are to restrict gamers in such a way and entirely cut off many people when they have a problem connecting to the internet.

If they were so bloody concious of tight margins, why not offer locked games like they plan in their own store at a highly reduced price and keep the current prices of £39.99 or the raised £44.99 RRPs without that B$ DRM crap.

Of course, we could all be venting over nothing but theres never been a truer saying that 'Where theres smoke, theres firee' and there certainly is a lot of smoke about that issue in the gaming world right now.

I just can't help but think these companies are becoming greedy and lazy instead of a actually using their brains to come up with new methods to survive in the digital age.

I tend to buy new games as much as possible, but i do NOT like the idea of having my games locked. I regularly give my friends games and vice versa so we can enjoy the titles and such a thing would put an end to that. It's greedy, short sighted and above all disrespectful to the gamers who supported them by buying new whenever possible.

I'm gonna wait for more solid information but i see some twittet/facebook protests being arranged. If they get enough support, they will alter their strategy behind closed doors and make amends before announcing such a heinous act,

[xtop]

Originally Posted by Monkey

Sounds bogus, no HDD for the PS4 by default.

Durango? The question is how many chips until they get it to actually work.. It seemed like 20 chips, Falcon, Eagle, Egret, Prairie Dog..."Uh we think the next chip works.. really this time.. ..oh crap it doesn't.. lets try the Weasel chip".

no hard drive is why you think its bogus? lol. makes sense if they're going for a cheap upgrade over the ps3.

that pastebin is the first mention of the durango name. it at least gets the codenames right. so now we just have to figure out what else it gets right