The CW's 'Arrow' (Season 8) - Page 3 - Blu-ray Forum

MykeHavoc · 08-22-2012, 07:50 PM

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Huntress returns to TV. I just pray it's better than the last incarnation...although I can't imagine anything being half as bad as that.

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Smallville with arrows. Anyone going into this thinking otherwise is either retarded or blind.

My expectations are rather low (while my excitement in quite middling) so the "Smallville with arrows" logic is fine with me. As long as it's entertaining. And if it does turn out to be unexpectedly good, then we all benefit.

This joins a laundry list of new shows hitting this Fall that I intend to watch from the beginning and give a chance, as I have not been a consistent TV watcher in what feels like an eternity. Honestly, I have enough free time in my life now to justify jumping on the wagon and checking some new stuff out.

Forever Knight · 08-22-2012, 08:04 PM

If you like Smallville, Supernatural, 90210, etc. then Arrow will be for you.

MykeHavoc · 08-22-2012, 08:15 PM

I enjoyed Smallville overall, but Supernatural or 90210 held little to no interest for me. Neither strikes me as a fair assumption, outside of the fact that they are dramas. Wouldn't better comparisons be Heroes (sucked after 1st season) or The Cape (which just...sucked)?

Mouse · 08-22-2012, 08:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Forever Knight

If you like Smallville, Supernatural, 90210, etc. then Arrow will be for you.

If it's more Smallville &

Supernatural

and less 90210

then I'm in. Too much crap drama then it won't hold my interest. I'm hoping for more action.

Seeing as I have never read Green Arrow (Or pretty much any comic for that matter) I have no idea what to really expect. He is basically just a Batman clone that uses a bow & arrow over the multitude of gadgets Batman has? Like, was he portrayed properly in Smallville or should I expect something different? Then there are the villians... will they be normal thugs or people with special powers and abilities?

Forever Knight · 08-22-2012, 08:20 PM

Only because Smallville style = a 60 sec action clip per episode. Don't let those action dramas fool you.

This is 90210 with a green hood. Not that there is anything wrong with that imo.

lazystoner · 08-22-2012, 08:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Forever Knight

If you like Smallville, Supernatural, 90210, etc. then Arrow will be for you.

Not seeing the 90210 connection. Just because it's on CW doesn't make it a teen soap. Supernatural and Nikita are proof of that. Arrow and Cult should reinforce that even more.

Forever Knight · 08-22-2012, 08:59 PM

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Not seeing the 90210 connection. Just because it's on CW doesn't make it a teen soap. Supernatural and Nikita are proof of that. Arrow and Cult should reinforce that even more.

They are all teen soaps. Don't lie to yourself.

lazystoner · 08-22-2012, 09:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Forever Knight

They are all teen soaps. Don't lie to yourself.

How sad. Ignorance runs amok.

mredman · 08-22-2012, 09:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Forever Knight

They are all teen soaps. Don't lie to yourself.

Supernatural and Nikita is definitely NOT teen soap

kernel_thai · 08-22-2012, 10:14 PM

I see Arrow being more Nikita than Smallville. My concerns r it being very one toned and having stock CW scenes inserted to norm it for tv. Im already in a pool that he has his shirt off four times in the pilot.

Nice to see Huntress make an appearance, hopefully with full attitude in place. It makes the decision to hold off on Black Canary even more puzzling.

Clark Kent · 08-23-2012, 01:36 AM

It saves the producers money if they don't license Black Canary for the show. My guess is that the Huntress character came much cheaper to license and Warner might be holding Black Canary back for the Justice League movie. It's why we always get oddball character substitutions on these superhero shows made from comics.

MykeHavoc · 08-23-2012, 04:51 AM

Would producers actually have to pay for characters? The parent company owns the rights to the characters, so that doesn't make sense to me.

Most characters that weren't included in shows either at all or for a period of time was usually due to their usage in another project (i.e. Two-Face was absent in "The Batman" because of the upcoming Dark Knight).

Clark Kent · 08-23-2012, 05:04 AM

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Originally Posted by MykeHavoc

Would producers actually have to pay for characters? The parent company owns the rights to the characters, so that doesn't make sense to me.

Most characters that weren't included in shows either at all or for a period of time was usually due to their usage in another project (i.e. Two-Face was absent in "The Batman" because of the upcoming Dark Knight).

Licensing a character owned by Marvel or DC is amazingly complex and beyond the scope of this forum or a brief reply. Needless to say, the lawyers on both sides earn their money on dealing with issues like this one for the studios and productions.

Forever Knight · 08-23-2012, 06:00 AM

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Originally Posted by lazystoner

How sad. Ignorance runs amok.

Absolutely not.

HDMe · 08-23-2012, 08:54 AM

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Licensing a character owned by Marvel or DC is amazingly complex and beyond the scope of this forum or a brief reply. Needless to say, the lawyers on both sides earn their money on dealing with issues like this one for the studios and productions.

Yes... but I *think* he was wondering in this case about a show on the CW being produced by Warner Television, why they wouldn't get a "break" on the licensing.

An ABC production that airs on ABC and uses Marvel characters is not going to cost ABC TV as much as it would cost Warner or someone who would be paying another company to use the characters... ABC would be paying itself!

So... a Warner TV show airing on the CW would be paying itself for the rights to DC characters... I have to think that ends up being cheaper.

BUT... as noted, Warner has already licensed some characters to other places... and thus can't just use any DC character that they might want.

Elandyll · 08-23-2012, 03:02 PM

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Yes... but I *think* he was wondering in this case about a show on the CW being produced by Warner Television, why they wouldn't get a "break" on the licensing.

An ABC production that airs on ABC and uses Marvel characters is not going to cost ABC TV as much as it would cost Warner or someone who would be paying another company to use the characters... ABC would be paying itself!

So... a Warner TV show airing on the CW would be paying itself for the rights to DC characters... I have to think that ends up being cheaper.

BUT... as noted, Warner has already licensed some characters to other places... and thus can't just use any DC character that they might want.

Correct. This show is being directly produced by Warner. Licensing should -not- be an issue, and not having Black Canary would be ... idiotic to say the least.

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How sad. Ignorance runs amok.

You know that on some level he is right.

They even have fun with this -within- Supernatural's episodes. It is just a reality that has to do with the CW's demo. Thank god Supernatural ended up being better than the sum of its parts (Can't say for Nikita, never saw it, but I suspect given the previews that it is made by en large to tease the average teenage boy).

lazystoner · 08-23-2012, 08:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Elandyll

You know that on some level he is right.

Because you'd totally never see a shirtless scene on another network. Right.

Elandyll · 08-23-2012, 10:08 PM

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Because you'd totally never see a shirtless scene on another network. Right.

Either you have never seen Supernatural, or you are dishonest.

Just go ahead and google Supernatural and "shirtless".
But that's just a tiny example.

My point is that the network knows who they are targeting, and I'm sorry but it's mostly teenager and young adults.
As I said, Supernatural, thank god, ended up being better than what it was intended for (by the network).

But if you tihnk I'm imagining it, that's how they do their promo

Do I need to go ahead and type "Tom Welling shirtless" to make sure?

Clark Kent · 08-23-2012, 11:57 PM

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Originally Posted by HDMe

Yes... but I *think* he was wondering in this case about a show on the CW being produced by Warner Television, why they wouldn't get a "break" on the licensing.

An ABC production that airs on ABC and uses Marvel characters is not going to cost ABC TV as much as it would cost Warner or someone who would be paying another company to use the characters... ABC would be paying itself!

So... a Warner TV show airing on the CW would be paying itself for the rights to DC characters... I have to think that ends up being cheaper.

BUT... as noted, Warner has already licensed some characters to other places... and thus can't just use any DC character that they might want.

It's not as easy to license a DC character as one would think, even on a Warner production. Shows are produced and run on a budget, and they do not have unlimited access to DC's intellectual properties.

What Warner productions get is right of first refusal on a character if the character is not off-limits or contracted to someone else, but they pay like any other entity.

Falaskan · 08-24-2012, 02:34 AM

This looks interesting. hopefully it won't last for 10 years with no character progression.

08-23-2012, 04:51 AM	#52
MykeHavoc Blu-ray Guru Member since:Nov 2011 Location:Nashua, NH Blu-ray collection:397 DVD collection:772 Digital collection:4 Trading Score:1	Would producers actually have to pay for characters? The parent company owns the rights to the characters, so that doesn't make sense to me. Most characters that weren't included in shows either at all or for a period of time was usually due to their usage in another project (i.e. Two-Face was absent in "The Batman" because of the upcoming Dark Knight). Last edited by MykeHavoc; 08-23-2012 at 04:53 AM.

08-22-2012, 08:04 PM	#42
Forever Knight Blu-ray Knight Member since:Mar 2011 Location:Toronto, Canada	If you like Smallville, Supernatural, 90210, etc. then Arrow will be for you.

08-22-2012, 08:15 PM	#43
MykeHavoc Blu-ray Guru Member since:Nov 2011 Location:Nashua, NH Blu-ray collection:397 DVD collection:772 Digital collection:4 Trading Score:1	I enjoyed Smallville overall, but Supernatural or 90210 held little to no interest for me. Neither strikes me as a fair assumption, outside of the fact that they are dramas. Wouldn't better comparisons be Heroes (sucked after 1st season) or The Cape (which just...sucked)?

08-22-2012, 08:20 PM	#45
Forever Knight Blu-ray Knight Member since:Mar 2011 Location:Toronto, Canada	Only because Smallville style = a 60 sec action clip per episode. Don't let those action dramas fool you. This is 90210 with a green hood. Not that there is anything wrong with that imo.

08-22-2012, 10:14 PM	#50
kernel_thai Blu-ray Samurai Member since:Nov 2008 Blu-ray collection:106	I see Arrow being more Nikita than Smallville. My concerns r it being very one toned and having stock CW scenes inserted to norm it for tv. Im already in a pool that he has his shirt off four times in the pilot. Nice to see Huntress make an appearance, hopefully with full attitude in place. It makes the decision to hold off on Black Canary even more puzzling.

08-23-2012, 01:36 AM	#51
Clark Kent Blu-ray Prince Top contributor Member since:Oct 2007 Location:Metropolis Blu-ray reviews:2 Trading Score:184	It saves the producers money if they don't license Black Canary for the show. My guess is that the Huntress character came much cheaper to license and Warner might be holding Black Canary back for the Justice League movie. It's why we always get oddball character substitutions on these superhero shows made from comics.

08-24-2012, 02:34 AM	#60
Falaskan Banned Top contributor Member since:Mar 2011 Location:Alaska Blu-ray collection:274 DVD collection:60 Blu-ray reviews:1 Trading Score:44	This looks interesting. hopefully it won't last for 10 years with no character progression.

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