Star Trek TNG Season 4 and "Redemption" Blu-rays July 30

[EricAD]

Originally Posted by NeoCortex

I'm hoping DS9 gets the HD treatment, but there's no guarantee. DS9 just doesn't have the automatic market that TNG has. Also, there will likely be more work involved in the restoration since DS9 is when the CGI effects started getting used more frequently, especially towards the end of the series.

I might be wrong, but I believe that seasons one through five of DS9 used mostly physical models and not cgi. They didn't go full cgi till the last two seasons. So redoing the first few years at least shouldn't be a problem.

If these restorations were only being done for the Blu-ray market, I'd worry more about DS9's chances, however, as others have pointed out, this is about the syndication future of the entire franchise, not to mention Netflix. That more than anything means it is more than likely they'll do it. I wouldn't be surprised if preliminary talks are already happening.

[Indiana Jones]

Originally Posted by benbess

Yeah. That was quite an epic premiere. Weird and almost 2001-ish in places. The Wolf 359 Battle from the other perspective was something. You could see why Sisko would have a grudge against Captain Picard/Locutus.

One possibility is that they make Emissary a double feature with All Good Things for a Fathom theatrical showing. Each one is 90 minutes long, and so if you skip the making of and gag reel stuff it would be a 3 hour double feature. Pretty long, but doable for Trek fans. And my thought is that would help lure the Next Gen folks who haven't yet gotten into DS9 another chance to get into it. Of course, Emissary might not look that great compared to the near perfection that is All Good Things. But it's actually a better premiere than Encounter At Farpoint.

That would be an odd combo as Emissary is set years before All Good Things plus if CBS-D are going to do DS9 then I think it's doubtful DS9 will be remastered by the time of TNG's Season 7 BD release, I assume there will be some down time between projects.

[benbess]

Originally Posted by Indiana Jones

That would be an odd combo as Emissary is set years before All Good Things plus if CBS-D are going to do DS9 then I think it's doubtful DS9 will be remastered by the time of TNG's Season 7 BD release, I assume there will be some down time between projects.

Yeah, it would be an unusual combo. But the idea would be to try to lure in some of the Nex Geners who have written off DS9. Emissary was first broadcast in Jan. of 1993, and All Good Things was first broadcast in May of 94—and so a about a year an a half separates them, which isn't that much. In any case, in the unlikely even this ever happened, it would make sense to show Emissary first, then a trailer for DS9 S1 and maybe a couple of minutes of gag reel, and then show All Good Things as the rousing conclusion to the night.

If DS9 is done I don't think there will be much of a gap. They'll want to keep the Trek audience rolling and in a buying mood. CBS Digital could just pull out the Emissary 2-part premiere episode to do for the double feature while another company was working on the rest of what was a short first season for DS9 anyway. The 7th season of Next Gen will probably come out in the Summer of 2014, and then—if it happens—the first season of DS9 could come out about December of that year.

[benbess]

Originally Posted by EricAD

I might be wrong, but I believe that seasons one through five of DS9 used mostly physical models and not cgi. They didn't go full cgi till the last two seasons. So redoing the first few years at least shouldn't be a problem.

If these restorations were only being done for the Blu-ray market, I'd worry more about DS9's chances, however, as others have pointed out, this is about the syndication future of the entire franchise, not to mention Netflix. That more than anything means it is more than likely they'll do it. I wouldn't be surprised if preliminary talks are already happening.

I bet you're right that preliminary discussions about this are already happening. And as you say, the first few years were mostly model work anyway, with only limited CGI. And "good enough" CGI is a lot less expensive than it used to be anyway. I don't think the fact that they'd need to do some CGI, esp. in the later seasons, is a dealbreaker at all.

[PeterTHX]

Originally Posted by benbess

I bet you're right that preliminary discussions about this are already happening. And as you say, the first few years were mostly model work anyway, with only limited CGI. And "good enough" CGI is a lot less expensive than it used to be anyway. I don't think that's a dealbreaker at all.

The latest projects by Tobias Richter (who did the CG 1701-D for TNG-HD) has been CG models of Deep Space Nine, a Runabout, and the Defiant.

Either he's just tooling around or hoping they'll use his stuff again or prepping for something we haven't yet been told.

[benbess]

Originally Posted by PeterTHX

The latest projects by Tobias Richter (who did the CG 1701-D for TNG-HD) has been CG models of Deep Space Nine, a Runabout, and the Defiant.

Either he's just tooling around or hoping they'll use his stuff again or prepping for something we haven't yet been told.

Interesting!++

DS9's Emissary was maybe the most "movie like" of any of the Star Trek premieres. It had very ambitious FX as well as philosophical concepts, while at the same time establishing the characters and setting of the show. I think it was the most expensive Trek premiere too, as they reinvested a lot of Next Gen's profits into DS9. From the first Next Gen's O'Brian (Colm Meaney) was part of the show, and later Michael Dorn joined as Worf. Plus Picard is in this first episode in a small but crucial role. There's a whole audience that's grown up in the last 20 years that's never seen DS9 but is familiar now with TNG. Pairing the last episode of one with the first episode of another might be a way to get, as I've said, the Next Geners to give DS9 a go.

And think about this:

http://trekcore.com/blog/2012/10/exc...igital-part-v/

TrekCore: I think that’s what’s more surprising. I know there was a large demand after Season 1 asking if future seasons were going to get audio commentaries, and now CBS are indeed doing those for Season 2. This is great to see – how much the feedback process is influencing the blu-rays, and how much CBS are taking on board.

Craig Weiss: Absolutely. That’s why the fans are so important. For future shows like Deep Space Nine, if [the fans] start lighting up those message boards that they’re so thrilled with this product and would love to see that, then the company starts to really listen to that.


If CBS are to take the plunge through the wormhole and green-light a Deep Space Nine remastering into HD, Craig Weiss urges fans to start lighting up the message boards to show our interest - that's when CBS "starts to really listen"

[von_Levi]

Originally Posted by EricAD

I might be wrong, but I believe that seasons one through five of DS9 used mostly physical models and not cgi. They didn't go full cgi till the last two seasons. So redoing the first few years at least shouldn't be a problem.

If these restorations were only being done for the Blu-ray market, I'd worry more about DS9's chances, however, as others have pointed out, this is about the syndication future of the entire franchise, not to mention Netflix. That more than anything means it is more than likely they'll do it. I wouldn't be surprised if preliminary talks are already happening.

I believe by Season 4 they were often using a CGI Defiant instead of the model, as well as CGI in the exterior spaceship shots. "Starship Down" from Season 4, for instance, features lots of CGI.

In earlier seasons there's still the CGI used when Odo changes shape. It might only last for a few seconds, but it all adds up.

[von_Levi]

Originally Posted by PeterTHX

The latest projects by Tobias Richter (who did the CG 1701-D for TNG-HD) has been CG models of Deep Space Nine, a Runabout, and the Defiant.

Either he's just tooling around or hoping they'll use his stuff again or prepping for something we haven't yet been told.

Just for the record, all shots of the station were of a model, except for the very last shot in the show.

[Mike86]

Definitely in for Season Four. I might buy Redemption as well but is this going to be a new thing now from Paramount/CBS for Trek shows? They do some bullshit like this and probably will include some additional extras not on the season sets like they did on The Best of Both Worlds release to make the fans who want the extras buy an additional disc.

The Best of Both Worlds was a bit different I think as that's a pretty big episode that a lot of more casual fans might pick up but I don't think they need to do this with all the cliffhangers going forward.

[benbess]

Which episodes from the 4th season would you pick, if you had the power, for the next theatrical event?

I like the Dr. Crusher episode Remember Me...

Other nominations?

TNG 4x05 'Remember Me' Trailer - YouTube

[gettodamoofies]

Originally Posted by benbess

Which episodes from the 4th season would you pick, if you had the power, for the next theatrical event?

I like the Dr. Crusher episode Remember Me...

Other nominations?

TNG 4x05 'Remember Me' Trailer - YouTube

Future Imperfect and Night Terrors have always been favourites of mine.

Not that I go to these events as they don't hold them anywhere near me here in Australia but I would think they'll likely be running movie length versions of the cliffhangers from now on:

S4: Redemption
S5: Time's Arrow
S6: Descent
S7: All Good Things

They are all well regarded and they are movie length when joined together so would fit the theatrical setting well.

[neoz]

BB has a date listed for 07-30-13. The price is crazy high, $114.99. I don't know how accurate the BB release date is though.

http://www.bestbuy.com/site/Star+Tre...rek&lp=12&cp=1

[Indiana Jones]

Originally Posted by neoz

BB has a date listed for 07-30-13. The price is crazy high, $114.99. I don't know how accurate the BB release date is though.

http://www.bestbuy.com/site/Star+Tre...rek&lp=12&cp=1

That date matches the UK and Australian release dates.

[Blue Nova]

Originally Posted by neoz

BB has a date listed for 07-30-13. The price is crazy high, $114.99. I don't know how accurate the BB release date is though.

http://www.bestbuy.com/site/Star+Tre...rek&lp=12&cp=1

That's just the MSRP. It'll drop, just like the rest of the sets have dropped.

[benbess]

Originally Posted by atexp80

Future Imperfect and Night Terrors have always been favourites of mine.

Not that I go to these events as they don't hold them anywhere near me here in Australia but I would think they'll likely be running movie length versions of the cliffhangers from now on:

S4: Redemption
S5: Time's Arrow
S6: Descent
S7: All Good Things

They are all well regarded and they are movie length when joined together so would fit the theatrical setting well.

Yeah—I think they will go more for "movie episodes" from now on. In fact, I hope they go for double features, since along with the ones you named there are other worthy 2 parters as well. But I still think they could pair Redemption with a single episode.

They should skip the making of in the theater! Those belong on the sets, not in a theatrical setting. It was painful to hear the groans of people who brought kids, girlfriends, etc. to BOBW trying to lure them into the show for the first time, and then to have the whole plot given away by that damn making of film. It was a great making of, don't get me wrong, but it belonged after the movie if it had to be shown, and really I don't think that stuff belongs in a theatrical showing at all. They should focus on movie-length 2 parters, throw in a fun gag reel, and a promo for the season, and that's it imho.

My suggestions:

S4: Remember Me, Redemption
S5: Unification, Time's Arrow
S6: Chain of Command, Descent
S7: DS9's Emissary, All Good Things.

[Blue Nova]

OP updated with "Redemption" cover art and disc details.

[benbess]

Originally Posted by Aatrek

OP updated with "Redemption" cover art and disc details.

Thanks.

What a money maker those stand alone releases must be. But if they make DS9 and Voyager more likely, and help fuel the continuing restoration of TNG, then I guess I'm all for it. And I like those TV movies better than some of the real theatrical movies anyway.

Right now looking at the banner of the best-selling titles on blu-ray.com, and it seems that there are 7 Star Trek titles there all at once. Impressive. Most impressive.

[obriensg1]

BenBess, I'm TOTALLY with you on that special feature they showed. I had never seen "Lawrence of Arabia" until Fathom showed it and they spoiled minor things before the film aired. Because of that I tried to petition people on this board to write Fathom and tell them to show special features AFTER the BOBW episode. I wrote them a long letter myself about how many people use this to see something for the first time, or show it to somebody for the first time. Or like with me and BOWB, I remembered the Shelby character and the cliffhanger, and nothing more lol. It all started coming back with the 'spoilers' though.

I had been intending on taking a friend of mine to BOBW. He's seen the reboot film, 'Tribbles' and Treks II and III. He had to pass and I was thankful he did. I actually was lucky enough to show him 'Khan' at a revival screening last fall but a woman behind us kept quoting the dialogue aloud and I kept having to tell her to shut up and be quiet (finally flat out saying 'I didn't pay $10 to listen to you and my friend here has never seen it. I'm telling you for the last time, shut the F*%$ up before I go have a manager come throw you out.' She listened until Spock died and I wasn't about to leave during that scene so I had to go back to ssh-ing her)

Point is, I was thankful I didn't. That experience partially ruined the film for him, especially since he's not a Trekkie, just a movie buff. When I told him what I went to he said 'Yeah, did somebody quote the whole thing?!' I said 'No, but it would have been spoiled'.

The special features would be best saved for the end. Just roll the episode right off the bat. That's what we all came for.

[benbess]

Originally Posted by obriensg1

BenBess, I'm TOTALLY with you on that special feature they showed. I had never seen "Lawrence of Arabia" until Fathom showed it and they spoiled minor things before the film aired. Because of that I tried to petition people on this board to write Fathom and tell them to show special features AFTER the BOBW episode. I wrote them a long letter myself about how many people use this to see something for the first time, or show it to somebody for the first time. Or like with me and BOWB, I remembered the Shelby character and the cliffhanger, and nothing more lol. It all started coming back with the 'spoilers' though.

I had been intending on taking a friend of mine to BOBW. He's seen the reboot film, 'Tribbles' and Treks II and III. He had to pass and I was thankful he did. I actually was lucky enough to show him 'Khan' at a revival screening last fall but a woman behind us kept quoting the dialogue aloud and I kept having to tell her to shut up and be quiet (finally flat out saying 'I didn't pay $10 to listen to you and my friend here has never seen it. I'm telling you for the last time, shut the F*%$ up before I go have a manager come throw you out.' She listened until Spock died and I wasn't about to leave during that scene so I had to go back to ssh-ing her)

Point is, I was thankful I didn't. That experience partially ruined the film for him, especially since he's not a Trekkie, just a movie buff. When I told him what I went to he said 'Yeah, did somebody quote the whole thing?!' I said 'No, but it would have been spoiled'.

The special features would be best saved for the end. Just roll the episode right off the bat. That's what we all came for.

Thanks for writing that letter! Someday maybe we'll change their minds about this stuff.

Perhaps you can have a home screening of BOBW for your friend, and do it right? I wasn't going to buy the BOBW blu-ray, but for $5 from Target with their special (if you buy S3 at the same time), I figure why not....

[obriensg1]

Thats my logic but he's hesitant enough on watching 'Star Trek IV' (though he's going to see Into Darkness with me lol). Now I will be picking up BOBW on Blu-ray with that Target deal, but I'm going to give it to a mutual friend who likes Star Trek herself, just not enough to go buy all the seasons when they're on Netflix. She'll be happy with it.

I fired off an angry letter to Fathom again just now about spoiling their past 3 big screenings I've went to.

As for my friend Bob, I'm sure Darkness will be the next Trek film he sees, but at the rate we're going I will likely be able to get to the end of "Undiscovered Country" with him, then show BOBW in it's original two part form. As he only has a basic idea of TNG (when I flipped to it on TV a month ago he said 'Okay, that's Professor Xavier. So he's like older Captain Kirk?) I figure that episode will help smooth things out for seeing Generations etc...

I actually watched "First Contact" again tonight for the first time in like 4 years. It does work better if you've seen the classic two parter. I think even for a rookie like my friend, he could appreciate Picard's anger more, and who the Borg are more if he saw it.