PQs so bad I half expected a replacement disc program....

[dbduece]

Originally Posted by octagon

You're being a little snobbish about this pop thing too though, aren't you?

You say you're confused and flabbergasted by BDs that don't meet your personal pop test.

You describe BDs that don't meet your personal pop test as so bad you half expected replacement discs.

You say BDs that don't meet your personal pop test don't bring anything to the table visually over previous DVD releases.

You seem to be putting an awful lot of stock in this pop test of yours.

Perhaps a bit more than is warranted.

I would think owning more than 300 titles would make me far from snobbish. My collection runs the entire gamut. I just find it interesting that there are "enthusiasts" here who insist on carrying water for every title released under the format...I am merely and humbly presenting to you 3 titles in which it is fair to question their merits as a blu ray release. Nothing more, nothing less folks

[RyanPom]

Originally Posted by Lysander91

What do you mean by blus that "pop?" Do you mean blus that have cranked up contrast and crushed blacks? Yeah, unless it's an artisitc choice that adds to the film I could do without all of that.

Like on the Friday the 13th Part One blu ray?

[blu-ray_girl_fan]

Originally Posted by ultlife2013

I'll take print damage over airbrushed any day.

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That's neither here nor there.

[ultlife2013]

Originally Posted by blu-ray_girl_fan

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That's neither here nor there.

It's actually here in this thread, I just posted it.

[Monterey Jack]

As long as a Blu looks somewhat better than the previous DVD, I consider it worth an upgrade, although if the PQ ratings are really poor, I'll wait until it's as cheap as I can get it.

[tama]

Originally Posted by dbduece

I would think owning more than 300 titles would make me far from snobbish. My collection runs the entire gamut. I just find it interesting that there are "enthusiasts" here who insist on holding water for every title released under the format...I am merely and humbly presenting to you 3 titles in which it is fair to question their merits as a blu ray release. Nothing more, nothing less folks

I would think you owning x amount titles means you own x amount of titles. Nothing more. And nothing less. MAC and Goodfellas have there share of limitations but still trump there DVD counterparts. especially more so on 50" screens and above. Malcolm X is a great example of WB presenting a faithful image presentation and soundly trumps it SD DVD counterpart.

[ultlife2013]

Originally Posted by Monterey Jack

As long as a Blu looks somewhat better than the previous DVD, I consider it worth an upgrade, although if the PQ ratings are really poor, I'll wait until it's as cheap as I can get it.

I agree.

[dbduece]

Originally Posted by tama

I would think you owning x amount titles means you own x amount of titles.

So profound and yet so....not.

[tama]

Originally Posted by dbduece

So profound and yet so....not.

Only thing not profound are these threads repeatedly "Popping" up every so often.

[GenPion]

So... does anyone want to make some recommendations for movies you thought might be recalled for PQ issues with a disc-replacement program? I'd say the 2D release of Jurassic Park and American Beauty both qualify. There are other examples, of course.

As to the OP, most people posting on Blu-ray.com want films to have the best possible presentation. All of the films you mentioned are decent upgrades, but could be better. Goodfellas especially could have a higher bit-rate and lossless audio. But it will never "pop" like you want it to. It just doesn't look like that in terms of cinematography or with consideration to the film stock used.

[The Narrator]

Originally Posted by GenPion

So... does anyone want to make some recommendations for movies you thought might be recalled for PQ issues with a disc-replacement program? I'd say the 2D release of Jurassic Park and American Beauty both qualify. There are other examples, of course.

One Hour Photo, which is a shame, because the release is otherwise really good.

[blu-ray_girl_fan]

Originally Posted by GenPion

So... does anyone want to make some recommendations for movies you thought might be recalled for PQ issues with a disc-replacement program? I'd say the 2D release of Jurassic Park and American Beauty both qualify. There are other examples, of course.

As to the OP, most people posting on Blu-ray.com want films to have the best possible presentation. All of the films you mentioned are decent upgrades, but could be better. Goodfellas especially could have a higher bit-rate and lossless audio. But it will never "pop" like you want it to. It just doesn't look like that in terms of cinematography or with consideration to the film stock used.

Goodfellas definitely needs a new transfer, if only to get rid of the vertical scratch.



All the early Fox, Paramount, and Sony MPEG-2 encodes should be redone as well.

[GenPion]

A lot of the early WB releases should be re-released too. Low bit-rates for some of their biggest films is a joke, The Matrix and Batman Begins are at the top of my wish-list for double dips.

[The Narrator]

Originally Posted by blu-ray_girl_fan

All the early Fox, Paramount, and Sony MPEG-2 encodes should be redone as well.

I recently watched the Courage Under Fire Blu-Ray, and it looked really weak and digital, so I second this.

[The Narrator]

Originally Posted by GenPion

A lot of the early WB releases should be re-released too. Low bit-rates for some of their biggest films is a joke, The Matrix and Batman Begins are at the top of my wish-list for double dips.

How about The Assassination of Jesse James by the Coward Robert Ford? A movie of that considerable beauty deserves more than a single-layer disc, lossy audio, and edge-enhancement which causes the grain to appear stationary.

[GenPion]

Almost every MPEG-2 transfer is out-dated and could be improved. There are only a small number of MPEG-2 releases with good enough encoding that it doesn't bother me as much.

[octagon]

Originally Posted by dbduece

...I am merely and humbly presenting to you 3 titles in which it is fair to question their merits as a blu ray release. Nothing more, nothing less folks

You concluded Warner Brothers is indifferent to the likes of Goodfellas simply and solely because their BD release didn't meet your personal standards with regard to 'pop'.

I'm sorry but that doesn't strike me as particularly humble.

[Show spoiler](and not for nothing, the issues with the Goodfellas BD stem largely from the fact that in the early going studios tried to meet exactly this sort of 'pop' test you're championing here. they believed - and not without reason - that consumers equated 'high-definition' with crisp, clean video-like images and that the differences betwen a DVD and a good BD release were were always big and bold and obvious. and thus they tended to be a bit free with the digital tools. it's kind of ironic, actually)

And yes, it is fair to question the merits of the Goodfellas BD. It not fair, however, to say the Goodfellas BD doesn't bring anything to table visually that the DVD didn't have.

Again, sorry, but forget about fair, that claim isn't even true.

[ultlife2013]

2015 will mark the 25th anniversary of Goodfellas, that will be perfect for a new remaster.

[GenPion]

Originally Posted by The Narrator

How about The Assassination of Jesse James by the Coward Robert Ford? A movie of that considerable beauty deserves more than a single-layer disc, lossy audio, and edge-enhancement which causes the grain to appear stationary.

Agreed. You're right about One Hour Photo too, that's another excellent example.

WB has actually released a lot of sub-par Blu-ray's. I hope they re-release a lot of them in some sort of "Mastered in 4K" line similar to Sony.

[octagon]

Originally Posted by GenPion

So... does anyone want to make some recommendations for movies you thought might be recalled for PQ issues with a disc-replacement program? I'd say the 2D release of Jurassic Park and American Beauty both qualify. There are other examples, of course.

The Color of Money is the only thing that really comes to mind. I haven't seen it so I'm not going to go too goofy beating on it but it doesn't sound like there are any excuses or justifications for the flaws there.

It just seems like a really, really bad job by a company that can clearly do better.