'Terminator 6'

[Talzin78]

All I'm saying is stay away from comic books then

[Ill_Be_Back]

Terminator: Genisys’ Producer on Franchise’s Future: Not on Hold but ‘Re-Adjusting'

Do we intend to have a next step of Terminator? Yes, we do,” says Skydance chief creative officer Dana Goldberg says at TheWrap’s 6th Annual Media Leadership Conference

Skydance Media Chief Creative Officer Dana Goldberg weighed in on the future of the “Terminator” franchise following the disappointing domestic box office results for “Terminator: Genisys.”

“I wouldn’t say on hold, so much as re-adjusting,” she said Tuesday at TheWrap’s 6th Annual Media Leadership Conference TheGrill about the company’s plans to pursue a big-screen trilogy as well as a new TV series announced in late 2013.


“At Skydance, when we talk movies, we talk universes, even more than franchises,” Goldberg said about continuing the sci-fi saga across platforms. “So the idea of a ‘Terminator’ TV show fits into that universe. All the steps have to be taken in unison.”

But David Ellison‘s company hit pause on those ambitious plans when “Genisys” grossed just $90 million in the U.S. this summer — though it raked in $350 million overseas on a production budget of $155 million.

“We’re ultimately happy with overall worldwide numbers. Do I wish we would have done better domestically? Absolutely,” said Goldberg, speaking at a panel on innovating the moviegoing experience along with Universal Pictures worldwide marketing president Josh Goldstine, Movio co-founder and chief exectuive Will Palmer, IMAX SVP and head of international marketing and Fandango president Paul Yanover



Happily, we live in the world where the domestic number had a level of importance 10 or 15 years ago — I’m not saying it’s not important, it is — but we have to play to a worldwide market,” she told moderator and TheWrap’s Thom Geier. “In terms of ‘Terminator,’ the worldwide market paid attention, but we’re not taking the domestic number lightly.”

But Goldberg, a producer on “Genisys,” vowed that the time-traveling cyborgs would be back. The company plans to use “data and research to do a worldwide study and really talk to audiences about what they loved, and what maybe didn’t work for them, so that the next we take with the franchise is the right one.”


But that process will likely push back the timing on a follow-up film. “We are not going to begin production at the beginning of next year, because again, it would be silly to not have to worry about what audiences have to say,” she said.

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[levcore]

That's great news, fingers crossed we get another.

[Ill_Be_Back]

Originally Posted by levcore

That's great news, fingers crossed we get another.

Yeah it's definitely happening and they want to make a better well received film to get the domestic gross up where it should be at. The question is, will they do it right? We will have to see.

[tob]

They have to do research to why Terminator Genisys failed that worries me they can't see that why it didn't work was for example the casting of Clarke and Courtney for two big roles and to mess with the time line and other reasons.

[drterror666]

Imagine that they decide to cross it over with Pacific Rim and drop Godzilla into the mix! Robots! Monsters! More robots! More, er, monsters!

Nurse!

[Ill_Be_Back]

Originally Posted by tob

They have to do research to why Terminator Genisys failed that worries me they can't see that why it didn't work was for example the casting of Clarke and Courtney for two big roles and to mess with the time line and other reasons.

I think it's a given that Clarke won't be back at this point. Courtney is 50/50, I am surprised though that they are going ahead with another one. It could possibly do worse but again it could do better if it had a better cast and reception. $440 million + isn't something to walk away from.

[StevenHarvey1990]

I read this earlier and find it hilarious that they need to survey people on how to make a good movie. You don't know why it failed? Seriously Skydance, go home. Just go home. I smell another disaster. I'm morbidly curious now and can't wait to see just how much of a mess they make with the next one, because this article pretty much confirms they will.

[ZoetMB]

Originally Posted by tob

They have to do research to why Terminator Genisys failed that worries me they can't see that why it didn't work was for example the casting of Clarke and Courtney for two big roles and to mess with the time line and other reasons.

No, no, no. You don't create great art by conducting surveys and focus-grouping. You create art by having great writers, actors and directors who have the courage of their convictions. And if it fails, it fails.

Would you suggest someone write a book that way - by researching what the audience wants? Perhaps you'd like to go for that gimmick where the audience is given controls to choose from alternate endings?

[jbloggs]

Originally Posted by drterror666

Imagine that they decide to cross it over with Pacific Rim and drop Godzilla into the mix! Robots! Monsters! More robots! More, er, monsters!

Nurse!

They should cross it over into Doctor Who

[JavaJulien]

Originally Posted by ZoetMB

Would you suggest someone write a book that way - by researching what the audience wants?

That's how the successful YA novels are created.

[Geoff D]

Originally Posted by ZoetMB

No, no, no. You don't create great art by conducting surveys and focus-grouping. You create art by having great writers, actors and directors who have the courage of their convictions. And if it fails, it fails.

Would you suggest someone write a book that way - by researching what the audience wants? Perhaps you'd like to go for that gimmick where the audience is given controls to choose from alternate endings?

He's not advocating that they do it way, he's saying that he's worried that they have to do "research" to find out why their movie failed, as if it isn't patently obvious (c-list cast, journeyman director, muddled marketing, cock-eyed story etc etc)

I love how they played down the poor domestic take too, when the reality is if it had done close to $200M (or even $150M) in the US along with the existing worldwide gross then there wouldn't even be this ridonkulous worldwide post-mortem to find out what they got wrong.

What they're doing is pleading with the foreign markets that bestowed a shred of respectability on the BO take to tell them what they want, so it can be turned into a gigantic sop towards China or whoever. They'd better do it quick before the Chinese economy nose-dives any more though...

[tob]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

He's not advocating that they do it way, he's saying that he's worried that they have to do "research" to find out why their movie failed, as if it isn't patently obvious (c-list cast, journeyman director, muddled marketing, cock-eyed story etc etc)

I love how they played down the poor domestic take too, when the reality is if it had done close to $200M (or even $150M) in the US along with the existing worldwide gross then there wouldn't even be this ridonkulous worldwide post-mortem to find out what they got wrong.

What they're doing is pleading with the foreign markets that bestowed a shred of respectability on the BO take to tell them what they want, so it can be turned into a gigantic sop towards China or whoever. They'd better do it quick before the Chinese economy nose-dives any more though...

Exactly Geoff.

[tob]

Originally Posted by ZoetMB

No, no, no. You don't create great art by conducting surveys and focus-grouping. You create art by having great writers, actors and directors who have the courage of their convictions. And if it fails, it fails.

Would you suggest someone write a book that way - by researching what the audience wants? Perhaps you'd like to go for that gimmick where the audience is given controls to choose from alternate endings?

You have misread my post.

[Moviefan2k4]

I think the main reason "Genisys" bombed in the U.S. was because the trailers spoiled everything. Most audiences saw that John was the villain from the start, and that turned them off. You don't reveal such a huge twist in your marketing; its always a foolish move.

[sxerunner]

Originally Posted by Moviefan2k4

I think the main reason "Genisys" bombed in the U.S. was because the trailers spoiled everything. Most audiences saw that John was the villain from the start, and that turned them off. You don't reveal such a huge twist in your marketing; its always a foolish move.

Technically they revealed a huge twist in T2's trailer by showing the audience that Arnold was the hero this time. So it's nothing new with the franchise.

Sadly, according to Robert Zemeckis, people apparently *like* it when something is spoiled in the previews.

“We know from studying the marketing of movies, people really want to know exactly every thing that they are going to see before they go see the movie. It’s just one of those things. To me, being a movie lover and film student and a film scholar and a director, I don’t. What I relate it to is McDonald’s. The reason McDonald’s is a tremendous success is that you don’t have any surprises. You know exactly what it is going to taste like. Everybody knows the menu.

http://flavorwire.com/420831/12-trai...he-whole-movie

[Geoff D]

True enough, they spoiled Arnold's good guy reveal ahead of time because they wanted audiences to get used to the idea. Perhaps the point, then, is more that it was an idea that the audience embraced more readily, that of the bad guy turning good rather than the ultimate good guy in the Terminator universe - John Connor himself - being turned bad.

Still, now they've done that there's really nowhere else for them to go with trying to make a "twist" to entice audiences...except for turning Arnie into a baddie again!

[Moviefan2k4]

Well, I never saw the original until years after first watching "T2", so Arnold was always the good guy to me back then. I was stunned to discover his original character was actually the villain...not to mention how little dialogue he was given.

[pane]

Ahnold better be in any future movies or else not sitting through the likes of Salvation again lol.

[ScarredLungs]

Great News