Toshiba sees both HD formats co-existing - Page 3 - Blu-ray Forum

badboi · 11-21-2007, 05:27 PM

I don't want two formats to co-exist. Hopefully Toshiba and HD DVD will fall off the face of the earth shortly and the better format will prevail.

Blubaru · 11-21-2007, 05:29 PM

It’s nice to see Tosh changing their tune from the usual “we will win this war” BS. Maybe they are planning on backing out of this war but I wouldn’t hold my breath. They are bent on destroying the HDM market and they are doing a fantastic job at it. They are so invested now that I just don’t see any reason why they would give up.

CptGreedle · 11-21-2007, 05:31 PM

Ok ok ok.. lets not all get too excited about this. We are reading too much into this. Toshiba said nothing about giving up, but seems to admit there is a possibility they won't win. This is nothing new and we should not jump to conclusions.

Spankey · 11-21-2007, 05:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Tulsa

I'm guessing that Toshiba has just about recouped their R&D investement in their players and is taking their first steps towards backing out of the war.

I believe you may be on to something. They can't win being the only manufacturer. I have been saying this for awhile now. HD-DVD will co-exist in the short term with dual formt players. Consumers will demand the quality that Blu-ray delivers from movies and HD-DVD studios will release on Blu-ray eventually. This war will end with a whimper and not a bang.

bhampton · 11-21-2007, 05:33 PM

This is just their next phase of accepting the ultimate truth. They lost.

Wake up Toshiba,.. You lost.

Can you go away now so we can get all the studios on Blu?

-Brian

Spankey · 11-21-2007, 05:36 PM

Can Toshiba go it alone producing sub $100 players? Blu-ray will have more manufacturers making profits from Blu-ray. Will Toshiba really want to sit that market out? I don't think so...

CptGreedle · 11-21-2007, 05:38 PM

No other CE Manufacturers will want to join in the mess of HD-DVD players Toshiba has made. There is no profit in a business where there are already $499 players marked down to $99! Toshiba has gone with the short term strategy and is digging themselves into a hole.. all they can do is back out cause no one else will want to join them down there.

ps3andlovinit · 11-21-2007, 05:40 PM

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Originally Posted by frank_t

Two different demographics.

Encoding a movie is not the same as creating a game for a console.

HD-DVD like every microsoft solution, is a closed and half-baked format -- it's the "good enough" solution. It attempts to win on FUD, of which Microsoft are masters of. lets remember who pulls the strings here (and why).

Yep.. this *movie* format war has always really been about MS stopping the PS3 from becoming the multi-media hub in your home..think what it really means for the *console* wars if there is no confusion over Blu-ray as the standard going forward .. the d/l *only* scenario is a red herring in comparison to that goal..and that goal is necessary to facilitate the second goal of expanded d/l's and strangle the studio's distributions options in the long run...

Content is king..unless you can't distribute it to the HDTV sitting on the other end. Then the toll booth is king...and the PS3 drastically weakens that scenario for MS - on multiple levels.

And oh..dual format players still serves MS goal in regards to the PS3 and leaves us with crappy bit starved encodes as the lowest common denominator.

Btw my wife actually wondered why the hell Oceans 13 looked so lousy the other night - it was that noticeable compared to what she has been getting used to on Blu-ray. She is just a J6P when it comes to this stuff .. so for her to say something is quite telling on how poor this transfer was. Normally she would just assume something is wrong with her and not say a peep since it's not her "thing".

Spankey · 11-21-2007, 05:45 PM

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Originally Posted by CptGreedle

No other CE Manufacturers will want to join in the mess of HD-DVD players Toshiba has made. There is no profit in a business where there are already $499 players marked down to $99! Toshiba has gone with the short term strategy and is digging themselves into a hole.. all they can do is back out cause no one else will want to join them down there.

Exactly. They wrote their own epitaph with this cheap player BS. As a hardware company, there really is no money to be made from this. Anyone would be foolish to pay more than the firesale price. The studios may go a bit longer in making movies, but something tells me a few Spielberg movies may see the light of day on Blu-ray.

Argento Fan · 11-21-2007, 05:46 PM

This is very reassuring news to Blu-ray owners. Toshiba must KNOW that it is incapable of winning, for them to make that statement. I got some Blus to watch this weekend

Beta-guy · 11-21-2007, 05:47 PM

I'd be surprised if they are just learning this, they've got to be watching the disc sales as well as Hardware sales...

Mericalis · 11-21-2007, 05:49 PM

Has anyone taken this up with the HD DUDs lately? Just asking, because I'd like to know what they think about the situation.

Spankey · 11-21-2007, 05:49 PM

I'm wondering if the Stringer comments were the beginning of public overtures regarding this mess. Toshiba is no longer countering with talking points, but talking coexistance. This might allow them to enter the Blu-ray hardware market with a dual player. I don't expect them to give up HD-DVD completely.

Spankey · 11-21-2007, 05:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Mericalis

Has anyone taken this up with the HD DUDs lately? Just asking, because I'd like to know what they think about the situation.

The HD-DVD sites will cover this up like it was never said. On the other hand, the Stringer comments were probably stickied.

Mericalis · 11-21-2007, 05:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Spankey

The HD-DVD sites will cover this up like it was never said. On the other hand, the Stringer comments were probably stickied.

This is true about the Stringer comments, but I still want to know how they feel...I'm sure Kosty and the gang will do their best to cover it up, but it is out there for everyone to see.

scook · 11-21-2007, 05:53 PM

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Originally Posted by CptGreedle

Well I hope they "save face" more often, it makes them and HD-DVD look bad when they say things like that. You won't find Blu-ray saying that.
I just hope WB goes Blu, and then Uni... leaving the weak Paramount all high and dry.... BD will win this, it is just a matter of time. Toshiba can be in denial all they want.

Very well said, and Toshiba just surrendered, I'm sure they see exclusivity a great idea because there getting their a$$ kicked. This is the time to put the nail in the coffin.

blix01 · 11-21-2007, 05:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Spankey

I'm wondering if the Stringer comments were the beginning of public overtures regarding this mess. Toshiba is no longer countering with talking points, but talking coexistance. This might allow them to enter the Blu-ray hardware market with a dual player. I don't expect them to give up HD-DVD completely.

I was thinking the same thing. Seems like both Tosh and Sony have softened up a bit. It might indicate the prelude of a compromise. On the otherhand we might be reading too much into it.

Beta-guy · 11-21-2007, 05:57 PM

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Originally Posted by blix01

I was thinking the same thing. Seems like both Tosh and Sony have softened up a bit. It might indicate the prelude of a compromise. On the otherhand we might be reading too much into it.

BD doesn't compromise, and Betamax didn't compromise, I hope we hold to either we win this or we lose this (yeah right) either way we hold true.

Innerloop · 11-21-2007, 05:59 PM

Toshiba can't afford to pay the entire industry for support indefinitely.

If you were in Warner's shoes, why would you go HD-DVD exclusive at this point? Paramount just go paid $50m for 18-months of exclusivity, and Dreamworks got $100m.

Warner is bigger than both of them, and now the precedent has been set, so they would be stupid to do something for free that they could ask for $100m+ to do. Their shareholders would cruxify them and they live and die by the shareholders.

Mericalis · 11-21-2007, 06:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Innerloop

Toshiba can't afford to pay the entire industry for support indefinitely.

That's why they have M$

11-21-2007, 05:59 PM	#59
Innerloop Member Member since:Jul 2006	Toshiba can't afford to pay the entire industry for support indefinitely. If you were in Warner's shoes, why would you go HD-DVD exclusive at this point? Paramount just go paid $50m for 18-months of exclusivity, and Dreamworks got $100m. Warner is bigger than both of them, and now the precedent has been set, so they would be stupid to do something for free that they could ask for $100m+ to do. Their shareholders would cruxify them and they live and die by the shareholders. Last edited by Innerloop; 11-21-2007 at 06:04 PM.

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11-21-2007, 05:27 PM	#41
badboi Special Member Member since:Sep 2007 Location:Atlanta	I don't want two formats to co-exist. Hopefully Toshiba and HD DVD will fall off the face of the earth shortly and the better format will prevail.

11-21-2007, 05:29 PM	#42
Blubaru Expert Member Member since:Oct 2006 Location:Tonight! you!	It’s nice to see Tosh changing their tune from the usual “we will win this war” BS. Maybe they are planning on backing out of this war but I wouldn’t hold my breath. They are bent on destroying the HDM market and they are doing a fantastic job at it. They are so invested now that I just don’t see any reason why they would give up.

11-21-2007, 05:31 PM	#43
CptGreedle Blu-ray Ninja Member since:Jul 2007 Location:Sworn super-hero now services Atlanta (and suburbs). Blu-ray collection:128 Blu-ray reviews:5	Ok ok ok.. lets not all get too excited about this. We are reading too much into this. Toshiba said nothing about giving up, but seems to admit there is a possibility they won't win. This is nothing new and we should not jump to conclusions.

11-21-2007, 05:33 PM	#45
bhampton Blu-ray Count Member since:Aug 2007 4K collection:989 Blu-ray collection:2545 DVD collection:67 Blu-ray reviews: 6 Trading Score:18	This is just their next phase of accepting the ultimate truth. They lost. Wake up Toshiba,.. You lost. Can you go away now so we can get all the studios on Blu? -Brian

11-21-2007, 05:36 PM	#46
Spankey Power Member Member since:Oct 2006	Can Toshiba go it alone producing sub $100 players? Blu-ray will have more manufacturers making profits from Blu-ray. Will Toshiba really want to sit that market out? I don't think so...

11-21-2007, 05:38 PM	#47
CptGreedle Blu-ray Ninja Member since:Jul 2007 Location:Sworn super-hero now services Atlanta (and suburbs). Blu-ray collection:128 Blu-ray reviews:5	No other CE Manufacturers will want to join in the mess of HD-DVD players Toshiba has made. There is no profit in a business where there are already $499 players marked down to $99! Toshiba has gone with the short term strategy and is digging themselves into a hole.. all they can do is back out cause no one else will want to join them down there.

11-21-2007, 05:46 PM	#50
Argento Fan Active Member Member since:Sep 2007 Blu-ray collection:1	This is very reassuring news to Blu-ray owners. Toshiba must KNOW that it is incapable of winning, for them to make that statement. I got some Blus to watch this weekend

11-21-2007, 05:47 PM	#51
Beta-guy Expert Member Member since:Jul 2007 Blu-ray collection:23 Blu-ray reviews:1	I'd be surprised if they are just learning this, they've got to be watching the disc sales as well as Hardware sales...

11-21-2007, 05:49 PM	#52
Mericalis Expert Member Member since:Aug 2007 Location:Texas Blu-ray collection:232 DVD collection:6 Blu-ray reviews:5	Has anyone taken this up with the HD DUDs lately? Just asking, because I'd like to know what they think about the situation.

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