When the Wind Blows (1986) (Limited Edition)

[James Luckard]

Originally Posted by Ruined

Yes I had this same problem throughout. The elements looked pretty rough so I figured it was a bad transfer.

Dang, that's too bad! My UK DVD has no echo. Guess I'll cross this BD off my wishlist.

[supercutz]

Originally Posted by longshot75

Anybody noticing a horrible echo to the effects and music in the main soundtrack? It doesn't occur in the isolated score.

Illustrated here:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0LJH...ature=youtu.be

Why hasn't there been any mention of audio issues in reviews (on this site or otherwise)? Is it a bad batch with only some copies affected or do all copies have faulty audio?

I want to buy this movie

[James Luckard]

Originally Posted by supercutz

Why hasn't there been any mention of audio issues in reviews (on this site or otherwise)? Is it a bad batch with only some copies affected or do all copies have faulty audio?

I want to buy this movie

It's amazing how many major technical issues don't get noticed by reviewers. I've been co-managing a thread that has now run to 25 pages about a bunch of major Sony releases in the last month (THE INTERVIEW, FURY, etc) that have hideously distorted, crushed black levels, and only one or two reviews have even mentioned that fact. Bizarre.

[ghostgate2001]

Originally Posted by longshot75

Anybody noticing a horrible echo to the effects and music in the main soundtrack? It doesn't occur in the isolated score.

Illustrated here:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0LJH...ature=youtu.be

Just bought this disc and have the same issue - a really pronounced "echo" that seemed (to my ears, anyway) to affect some parts of the soundtrack but not others. For example, it doesn't seem to affect the dialogue but it's really intense on "foley" sound-effects like paper rustling, footsteps, etc. The more high-pitched a sound is the more obvious the effect is, I guess.

I've heard this same effect before, on a Blu-ray of the 60's TV series "The Prisoner," and put it down to audio-sync issues with that disc's 2.0 dual-mono presentation of the show's original mono soundtrack.

I can't remember the technical terms (!) but, basically, if you have the same sound coming out of two sources with the sync minutely offset (we're talking microseconds) then you'll get that echoing / phasing effect. Makes things sound like they're echoing inside a tin can.

There will inevitably be slight variances in the sync / timing between audio channels on different equipment set-ups, and that might explain why some of us are hearing this "echo" and others not.

When I experienced the "echo" I was playing the Blu-ray on a PS3 connected via HDMI to an HDTV and from the TV to a standard stereo "hi-fi" amplifier and 2 speakers via analog audio cables. I'll try playing the same disc on some different equipment, and will report back if I get different results.

[pascal2015]

Originally Posted by James Luckard

It's amazing how many major technical issues don't get noticed by reviewers.

Do you really think that they will sit down and watch the movie from start to finish? Come on. Max. a few minutes, plus copy-paste from a forum/another review. (And there is a thing called m o n e y.)

[wonkavision]

For those who blind bought this film, what did you think or rather, do you still have the disc?

[filmmusic]

Originally Posted by longshot75

Anybody noticing a horrible echo to the effects and music in the main soundtrack? It doesn't occur in the isolated score.

Illustrated here:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0LJH...ature=youtu.be

OMG, this is terrible!
The disc should be replaced!
I'm glad I didn't buy it!

Has TT responded to any complaints about this?
Or there wasn't any complaint?

[schlock]

Originally Posted by wonkavision

For those who blind bought this film, what did you think or rather, do you still have the disc?

I saw the film once years ago on VHS and it didn't really make much of an impression, but I bought the TT release during their sale and revisited it, and I liked it quite a bit more now. It's a keeper.

As far as the audio goes, I didn't notice the echo per se, but there were times when it was hard to decipher the dialog, and I now have a feeling it was probably because of the echo-effect of the music in some of those scenes, distorting the dialog as well. And not just because of the Brit accents, it just seemed distorted. But overall, it's still quite a decent presentation and I wouldn't hold my breath expecting a 'fixed' copy of this, as I doubt they'll break even on it to begin with. Still recommended.

[ghostgate2001]

Originally Posted by wonkavision

For those who blind bought this film, what did you think or rather, do you still have the disc?

I found it pretty much unwatchable, to be honest. The feature audio is clearly messed-up throughout, and the echoing really grates. With hindsight, I wish I'd taken a refund - I can't bear to watch it in that condition, so it's essentially useless to me - but, having a snagged myself a limited-run copy of a film I love, I wanted to hang on to it in hope of a disc-replacement program ... which never materialised.

It's maybe still worth it for those who want the supplemental materials, and the isolated score, but the main film itself is botched.

Meant to share this email that I received from Twilight Time when I contacted them about the problem, back at the end of June. Oddly, the rep responding to my contact via the Twilight Time website referred to Twilight Time as if they were a separate entity with whom the rep had no direct relation.

(June 24th 2015)

Hi (my name),

At this time there has been no decision made from Twilight Time to repress a fixed disc. So at this time we would only be able to accept a return and process a refund for the film if you should want to return it.

My only other suggestion would be to reach out to Twilight Time on their facebook page, as this is the only direct customer contact with them, and post about the sound issue. I am sure they could give a better explanation to why it does this or if it was the condition of the masters and they were unable to fix it.

Thank you,
(rep name)

So, it was an acknowledgement of the problem, but offered no remedy other than to return the disc for a refund. I opted to wait in the hope of a decision to re-press, but that choice feels like a foolish one now.

[lolwut]

I don't understand, how did the reviewer of the site give it a 4/5 for audio? The user review gives the audio high marks as well. Maybe it's only present on certain discs?

[James Luckard]

Originally Posted by lolwut

I don't understand, how did the reviewer of the site give it a 4/5 for audio? The user review gives the audio high marks as well. Maybe it's only present on certain discs?

The wave of Sony discs with crushed black levels got great reviews and user reviews here for image quality, before I was able to be part of leading a vocal minority and help get the defective discs corrected. Reviews are, in the end, just one person's opinion. Many people don't notice flaws that are impossibly distracting to others of us.

From the sounds of it, this audio flaw is baked into the master.

[lolwut]

More people should comment on their Facebook page then: https://www.facebook.com/twilighttimemovies?fref=ts

[acantho]

hmmmmm I really want to get this one but audio problems can really bug me sometimes. Now that I know about them I'm sure to hear it

decisions decisions

I'm sure the decision will ultimately be made by my pocket book though

[Ruined]

Originally Posted by wonkavision

For those who blind bought this film, what did you think or rather, do you still have the disc?

Movie was awesome.

Echo is annoying, but I got used to it after a while. Would love to see this disc with a proper fixed soundtrack.

But not worth missing out on the film due to the audio issue. Don't let the audio issue prevent you from watching this awesome movie.

[filmmusic]

Originally Posted by James Luckard

From the sounds of it, this audio flaw is baked into the master.

But, I think the DVD didn't have it.

[jlk5844]

Originally Posted by James Luckard

The wave of Sony discs with crushed black levels got great reviews and user reviews here for image quality, before I was able to be part of leading a vocal minority and help get the defective discs corrected. Reviews are, in the end, just one person's opinion. Many people don't notice flaws that are impossibly distracting to others of us.

Not to go off topic, but what happened with that? Is there just a replacement program and/or will all future pressings be corrected? I have Fury, do I have to go buy it again to get the corrected disc?

[James Luckard]

Originally Posted by jlk5844

Not to go off topic, but what happened with that? Is there just a replacement program and/or will all future pressings be corrected? I have Fury, do I have to go buy it again to get the corrected disc?

I bugged them endlessly and contacted the directors and DPs for the films. I believe that made a difference, because soon after they issued corrected versions all over the world.

I continued bugging them about a US replacement program, but never heard a single word back. I finally gave up.

I don't think we'll get corrected versions in the US until whatever the next round of media is. It sucks, as they HAVE corrected masters now, as illustrated by the overseas releases, they just haven't bothered to fix the US discs.

If you want to buy fixed versions from overseas, check the first post in the thread on the black crush, I keep it updated with a list of which countries got corrected BDs.

[James Luckard]

Originally Posted by filmmusic

But, I think the DVD didn't have it.

You mean the Twilight Time DVD? I don't know. Did anyone order it who can confirm whether it has the echo? I have the UK DVD from years ago. It has no echo.

[filmmusic]

Originally Posted by James Luckard

You mean the Twilight Time DVD? I don't know. Did anyone order it who can confirm whether it has the echo? I have the UK DVD from years ago. It has no echo.

There is a Twilight Time DVD?
I thought it was only on Bluray.
I meant the original DVD of years ago..

and as you say, it doesn't have an echo.
Or did you mean that the HD master that TT got has the echo baked on it?
I'm confused.
I thought you meant that the film generally has the echo.

[James Luckard]

Originally Posted by filmmusic

There is a Twilight Time DVD?
I thought it was only on Bluray.
I meant the original DVD of years ago..

and as you say, it doesn't have an echo.
Or did you mean that the HD master that TT got has the echo baked on it?
I'm confused.
I thought you meant that the film generally has the echo.

I thought Twilight Time released all titles on both BD and DVD, guess I was mistaken.

Either the original HD master of the film that Twilight Time got from Channel 4 or the master TT created for their BD, has the echo baked in.

There's also a DVD-R available through Amazon's deal with Channel 4:
http://www.amazon.com/When-Blows-Mil...dp/B00439GWRO/

I have this UK DVD from 2005, which has no echo:

http://www.amazon.co.uk/When-Wind-Bl...dp/B000A7PTFY/