Issues playing some Paramount releases

[philip74]

Originally Posted by Paul.R.S

This is likely gonna (continue to) get really messy if folks don't specify the UPC so we can distinguish from the original Par release versus the Warner re-issue of a lot of these titles.

Aren´t the Warner re-releases just repackaged though!?

[wormraper]

Originally Posted by philip74

Aren´t the Warner re-releases just repackaged though!?

for most of them yeah. Warner just took the old stock from Paramount and just put them in their own cases .... when the stock of discs ran out WB re-printed some, but that wasn't till much later. if it's paramount and has the grey disc silk screening, it's theirs not warner's pressing

however, the Jack Ryan ones that are under question were never re-released by Warner. Paramount kept them

[Paul.R.S]

Originally Posted by philip74

Aren´t the Warner re-releases just repackaged though!?

Yes, good point. My mistake. I know the Warner-distribbing-Par deal is over so hopefully there won't be any issues further complicating this whereby WHV starts pressing Par titles.

[JackKnightStarman]

Originally Posted by wormraper

there's at least 10 titles affected that we know of so far... off the top of my head

Event Horizon
Cloverfield
Clear and Present
Hunt for Red October
Sum of all fears
Face/Off
Big Lebowski
patriot games and a few others

I don't have Event Horizon, but I'll check the rest. And recheck the Big Lebowski. Luckily out of 1500 discs, I've had about 10 fail, the most coming from Disney, which through their QA program had replaced. I only had one Well Go bronze, IP man Collector's edition, and no criterion's...

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[garyd97]

I have been having this problem a lot within the last month. I am thinking it might be my player, since it is old and hasn't had an update in a long time. Random discs just won't load.

[wormraper]

Originally Posted by garyd97

I have been having this problem a lot within the last month. I am thinking it might be my player, since it is old and hasn't had an update in a long time. Random discs just won't load.

try wiping the players cache. that sometimes happens to. do a factory reset, put your audio/video settings back in and try once more. I've salvaged many a friends player because of that.

[whitestang06]

After finding out a disc was bad when I tried to watch it, about two years after getting it, I started testing them as I get them. I use an external BD drive/burner and Any DVD, or whatever else works, and simply copy the disc to my PC. Defective/failing discs will not finish copying, in my experience.

The only perfectly good disc that I've had fail over time was a Warner HD-DVD. The BD was bad from the get go, so far as I can tell.

[murphywmm]

Shouldn't this be moved to "Oh noes the sky is falling"?

[baheidstu]

Originally Posted by wormraper

temperature controlled room on dedicated shelving stored vertically like they should...ambient temp 69-78 degrees depending on the time of year and the thermostat. (but I also have around 9,000 discs). I also have a tendency to buying my discs right when they come out, meaning I get the first "problem" pressings of discs. and you can't deny the failure rates of the well go usa and Criterion titles. I had every single one of the problem discs and about 2/3 of the ones in my collection were affected. many other people experienced the same thing. people reporting dozens of discs failed etc. I had over 30 discs in the well go usa and Criterion fiasco alone that were bad (there were about 50-60 discs affected between those two studios)

and I wouldn't trust it bronzing or not to obe a sign. don't just LOOK at your disc but go to the layer break and do a quick slow fast forward. they should lock up between 1:07 and 1:10 on each movie (right where the layer break is on Hunt and Clear n Present)... with a collection the size of yours, I'm guessing you have a handful of failed discs you just haven't run across yet. go back and look at the "well go usa and criterion's bronzing" thread and you'll find a TON of people reporting the same thing. I'm surprised you've never had one disc fail with that large of a collection. back on DVD talk there were entire boxsets that would fail down to the last disc causing people to lose 20-30 discs just from a couple problme sets (anyone remember universal's flipper dvds that were so prone to failure?)

No, I actually checked the Red October disc and it was fine. I just mentioned the bronzing thing as a supplemental point to the fact that you mentioned seeing some of your discs bronzing. I suppose with a collection of 9000 discs the ratio is much higher, and I also suppose that if you are the type to buy discs early then you might get those problem discs first, and I also suppose that there could be a disc or two lurking in my collection that has failed but all I can say is that I haven't come across anything yet.

[wormraper]

Originally Posted by baheidstu

No, I actually checked the Red October disc and it was fine. I just mentioned the bronzing thing as a supplemental point to the fact that you mentioned seeing some of your discs bronzing. I suppose with a collection of 9000 discs the ratio is much higher, and I also suppose that if you are the type to buy discs early then you might get those problem discs first, and I also suppose that there could be a disc or two lurking in my collection that has failed but all I can say is that I haven't come across anything yet.

I would be worried about storage issues or whatnot if I was finding discs that weren't reported bronzing. But all the ones I have failed are all reported by others as problem discs (with the majority being in that epic well go USA and criterion c@ck up)

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[HD Goofnut]

Originally Posted by whitestang06

After finding out a disc was bad when I tried to watch it, about two years after getting it, I started testing them as I get them. I use an external BD drive/burner and Any DVD, or whatever else works, and simply copy the disc to my PC. Defective/failing discs will not finish copying, in my experience.

The only perfectly good disc that I've had fail over time was a Warner HD-DVD. The BD was bad from the get go, so far as I can tell.

Exactly as I use Any DVD HD and have a couple external BD drives. What's strange is my copy of Clash of the Titans (first pressing digibook) plays fine, but when I try to rip it to a hard drive it only gets about halfway and fails. I am probably going to replace it in the near future so I can get rip it.

[JasonHensley]

Originally Posted by wormraper

yup, mine do the same thing. clear and present and hunt are both VERY obviously bronzed. Hunt starts about 1:07:xx and Clear and present around the 1:09:xx mark. (and while they still play around the layer break, Sum of all fears and "Patriot Games" are bronzing too)

and this is officially where I stop paying for my physical media. if it wasn't for my work I wouldn't have any physical media anymore. I gave up buying new media about 2 years ago after I predicted this happening during the WELL go USA/Criterion debacle. Those two companies were small labels and people were saying "it's just a bad batch from this time period, but I predicted this was going to be much more far sweeping and I was right. As of now I've had replaced or just thrown in the trash over 60-70 discs. All bronzed and all coming from different studios (handful from warner, Lionsgate, bunch from Paramount, 20 from Well go USA, 15 from Criterion) There is a weakness in the Blu-ray bonding process and while it's not like every disc you'll ever have is going to be affected, it's a MUCH MUCH higher rate than DVD ever did. I've had probably 8 or 9 DVDs go back in 17 years on me. Blu-ray, almost 7 to 8 times that in the last 3 years and I'm tired of constantly replacing them. Especially when I can go years between viewings.

Lol

[cakefactory]

Originally Posted by JasonHensley

Lol

FANTASTIC contribution to the discussion.

[HD Goofnut]

Originally Posted by JasonHensley

Lol

How is that funny exactly? I'd be beyond pissed if I had over 3000 discs like worm does and over 60 went bad.

[Patsfan123]

I've got a fairly sizable collection but yet to have a disc go bad. Everyonce in a while I check some discs known to fail like early Disney (Pirates 1 & Prestige) or early Lionsgate but I've been lucky. I watched my launch copy of the Big Lebowski last week with no issue.

Could it be a climate thing? People who live in hot or humid climates perhaps? I live in Mass, so its neither hot or humid very long.

[JasonHensley]

Originally Posted by HD Goofnut

How is that funny exactly? I'd be beyond pissed if I had over 3000 discs like worm does and over 60 went bad.

I just find it very hard to believe to be honest. Between DVD and bluray I've only ever had 1 disc completely fail and it was a DVD.

[HD Goofnut]

Originally Posted by JasonHensley

I just find it very hard to believe to be honest. Between DVD and bluray I've only ever had 1 disc completely fail and it was a DVD.

Why would worm lie?

[JasonHensley]

Originally Posted by HD Goofnut

Why would worm lie?

Beats me. I find that people tend to extremely exaggerate on the internet for the most part. As someone who's collected both games and movies for years and still have perfectly working PlayStation games, Dreamcast games, CDs, DVDS, and blus I have a hard time listening to someone trying to convince the world that a format has an extremely high failure rate. If he's had that many problems I can only assume it's something he's doing.

[wormraper]

I have no reason to lie. I've been a huge backer of physical media, but something is a bit off when people report bronzing on discs across SEVERAL studios and they all screw up at the layer break or don't load. I can list each and every title and they're ALL been reported on this or the giant failed disc thread by multiple other people. All first pressings usually and all but a handful are the bronzing issue (the old fox titles back in 2007 and 2008 or the lionsgate issues were something different, but all the new stuff that's been happening in the last 2-3 years has 99% been bronzing and failure at the layer change). I am perfectly aware that you're going to get a few bum discs. It happens. Especially if you own anime (anime studios have crap for QC, always have...risk of that particular collectors hobby), but the failure rate of just plane jane feature films has been pretty nasty on Blu-ray so far. Just read the giant Criteron/Well Go USA threat (that morphed into the catch all bad discs thread) and you'll count a good chunk of people who've had the same issue (though most have smaller collections than some of us and thusly they don't have AS many discs failing).

you've had one disc go bad. I've had friends who've never had a disc go bad, and others who've lost 100 + dvds because they were unlucky enough to get a bunch of Universal and Warner DVD TV shows that were famous for that (anyone remember the universal c@ckup with BsG the original show? that was a an epic failure that had replacement discs failing in a couple years too)

and don't forget, there were MANY of us in the criterion thread that lost 20+ discs due to the initial failure a few years back. heck, I had 15 well go usa titles that were all effected from their screw up because I have all but maybe 15-20 well go usa titles as I'm a huge fan of theirs.

[quickdraw]

I've had a couple of glitchy discs recently, right off the bat. First was TT Follow That Dream (replaced a couple of times with the same problem @ different spots) and most recently the remastered My Fair Lady, which I'm still waiting on response from TCM, where I purchased it. I've never had any problems with my hundreds of DVDs, but then again there's also a lot less information crammed on them compared to BDs, so there's less of a potential for problems I suppose.