Unforgiven (1992) (Remastered) - Page 3 - Blu-ray Forum

I KEEL YOU · 03-09-2017, 10:51 AM

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Originally Posted by TerryMalloy

thanks to the pathetic 4K version of GoodFellas that WB gave us

Maybe it's not pathetic, maybe it's just that there simply isn't as much extra fine detail or HDR-ness on GoodFellas' film stock as you were hoping, in comparison to modern, native 4K material.

TerryMalloy · 03-09-2017, 12:33 PM

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Originally Posted by I KEEL YOU

Maybe it's not pathetic, maybe it's just that there simply isn't as much extra fine detail or HDR-ness on GoodFellas' film stock as you were hoping, in comparison to modern, native 4K material.

No, it is truly pathetic...even unwatchable. I don't always go by or agree with the reviews on this site, but the 1.0 4K rating it was given was absolutely right on target. I plan on watching ONLY the blu-ray from now on.

https://www.blu-ray.com/movies/GoodF...161258/#Review

solaris72 · 03-09-2017, 12:39 PM

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Originally Posted by captveg

I don't think new "scans" would do anything. Both would have been sourced from digital interpositives. Better encode would bring some improvement, but there's no reason to believe the native source would need to be any different for films from 2007.

TWBB did not use a digital intermediate.

The Great Owl · 03-09-2017, 02:02 PM

Awesome news. I'll be picking this up in May for sure.

jlk5844 · 03-09-2017, 02:16 PM

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Originally Posted by TerryMalloy

No, it is truly pathetic...even unwatchable. I don't always go by or agree with the reviews on this site, but the 1.0 4K rating it was given was absolutely right on target. I plan on watching ONLY the blu-ray from now on.

https://www.blu-ray.com/movies/GoodF...161258/#Review

The reviewer says it's not unwatchable. The 1/5 score may be a bit harsh considering his comments. Nonetheless the review has put me off purchasing the UHD because written reviews and comments are all I have to go on at this point since I don't have a 4K monitor to compare screenshots.

HD Goofnut · 03-09-2017, 02:18 PM

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Originally Posted by jlk5844

The reviewer says it's not unwatchable. The 1/5 score may be a bit harsh considering his comments. Nonetheless the review has put me off purchasing the UHD because written reviews and comments are all I have to go on at this point since I don't have a 4K monitor to compare screenshots.

There's nothing yet to take UHD screen captures anyway. I am still waiting on an external UHD drive myself and for PowerDVD to support it.

TerryMalloy · 03-09-2017, 02:51 PM

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Originally Posted by jlk5844

The reviewer says it's not unwatchable. The 1/5 score may be a bit harsh considering his comments. Nonetheless the review has put me off purchasing the UHD because written reviews and comments are all I have to go on at this point since I don't have a 4K monitor to compare screenshots.

Well, that's where the reviewer and I disagree. But, if you think the words "not unwatchable" are good enough to disregard all of his other highly negative comments, then you are an eternal optimist.

HeavyHitter · 03-09-2017, 02:53 PM

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Originally Posted by HD Goofnut

There's nothing yet to take UHD screen captures anyway. I am still waiting on an external UHD drive myself and for PowerDVD to support it.

How will the screen captures work with HDR? Seems like a translation issue looking at the caps on various monitors.

HD Goofnut · 03-09-2017, 03:03 PM

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Originally Posted by HeavyHitter

How will the screen captures work with HDR? Seems like a translation issue looking at the caps on various monitors.

4K monitors don't have HDR anyway.

imsounoriginal · 03-09-2017, 03:06 PM

Goodfellas UHD looks fine, not great but solid. Unforgiven should look incredible.

HeavyHitter · 03-09-2017, 03:11 PM

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Originally Posted by HD Goofnut

4K monitors don't have HDR anyway.

Right, but are the UHD BD screencaps going to have HDR in them though? So they will get converted to SDR because of the monitor. As we know, converting HDR to SDR is going to vary. It seems like it's going to be harder to judge color and shadow detail with UHD BD screencaps.

HeavyHitter · 03-09-2017, 03:13 PM

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Originally Posted by jlk5844

The reviewer says it's not unwatchable. The 1/5 score may be a bit harsh considering his comments. Nonetheless the review has put me off purchasing the UHD because written reviews and comments are all I have to go on at this point since I don't have a 4K monitor to compare screenshots.

The detail and film grain rendition is better on the UHD BD watching on my front projector with about 3K resolution. I cannot judge the color and shadow detail yet as the Oppo needs to improve the SDR conversion.

thatguamguy · 03-09-2017, 03:23 PM

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Originally Posted by TerryMalloy

But, if you think the words "not unwatchable" are good enough to disregard all of his other highly negative comments, then you are an eternal optimist.

The actual quote is "Is the UHD unwatchable? Not at all. As with many video phenomena, the eye quickly adjusts to the presentation, and the elevated black levels become routine. But having watched Goodfellas repeatedly on both UHD and the 25th Anniversary Edition Blu-ray, I find the Blu-ray to be a better viewing experience. ... While the 4K image could no doubt be re-graded with accurate black levels, it is uncertain whether and how much the corrected image would offer any meaningful improvement over the Blu-ray."

bladelia · 03-09-2017, 03:25 PM

[Tough to push UHD for titles that most people won't buy if they give you the lesser option that most people are happy with. When even blu-ray enthusiasts on this forum aren't interested in the UHD, that's a sure sign the format will fail.[/QUOTE]

The fact that I would have to buy a new tv, player and amp, that is quite a big financial outlay. I have gone through VHS and dvd, I fully embraced bluray, but this is as far as I go for physical media. Due to my age and failing eyesight, I probably wouldn't see much difference between blu and UHD anyway.

TerryMalloy · 03-09-2017, 03:49 PM

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Originally Posted by imsounoriginal

Goodfellas UHD looks fine, not great but solid. Unforgiven should look incredible.

Okay, you all win: it's without a doubt the greatest UHD in history. Please, everyone, go out and buy it and do so with that knowledge. You won't be disappointed.

Fine, my ass.

imsounoriginal · 03-09-2017, 03:59 PM

It does look fine, your hyperbole is wrong. I assume you've seen the disc, but if you haven't, I dunno why you're crying about it.

meremortal · 03-09-2017, 04:04 PM

It'd be nice if all studios offered a mastered in 4k release alongside the UHD for catalog titles.

jeancarmelite · 03-09-2017, 06:19 PM

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Originally Posted by TerryMalloy

Okay, you all win: it's without a doubt the greatest UHD in history. Please, everyone, go out and buy it and do so with that knowledge. You won't be disappointed.

Fine, my ass.

Lol don't get butthurt. Disappointing release? Sure. Unwatchable? You're being dramatic. I've sat through Goodfellas on a tiny TV in the early 90s and enjoyed every minute of it.

Darth Marcus · 03-09-2017, 06:41 PM

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Originally Posted by meremortal

It'd be nice if all studios offered a mastered in 4k release alongside the UHD for catalog titles.

*cough* Universal *cough*

Jumpman · 03-09-2017, 07:34 PM

At least, for people like me who can't/probably won't go 4K, there will be a standard blu release of the remastered disc later in the year. I can wait.

03-09-2017, 02:02 PM	#44
The Great Owl Blu-ray Archduke Member since:Dec 2012 Location:Georgia 4K collection:921 Blu-ray collection:6029 DVD collection:28 Blu-ray reviews: 255 Trading Score:6	Awesome news. I'll be picking this up in May for sure.

03-09-2017, 03:06 PM	#50
imsounoriginal Blu-ray Grand Duke Top contributor Member since:Dec 2008 Location:NYC 4K collection:320 Blu-ray collection:946 DVD collection:70 Blu-ray reviews:2 Trading Score:59	Goodfellas UHD looks fine, not great but solid. Unforgiven should look incredible.

03-09-2017, 03:25 PM	#54
bladelia Special Member Member since:Aug 2007 Location:London 4K collection:549 Blu-ray collection:5329 Trading Score:37	[Tough to push UHD for titles that most people won't buy if they give you the lesser option that most people are happy with. When even blu-ray enthusiasts on this forum aren't interested in the UHD, that's a sure sign the format will fail.[/QUOTE] The fact that I would have to buy a new tv, player and amp, that is quite a big financial outlay. I have gone through VHS and dvd, I fully embraced bluray, but this is as far as I go for physical media. Due to my age and failing eyesight, I probably wouldn't see much difference between blu and UHD anyway.

03-09-2017, 03:59 PM	#56
imsounoriginal Blu-ray Grand Duke Top contributor Member since:Dec 2008 Location:NYC 4K collection:320 Blu-ray collection:946 DVD collection:70 Blu-ray reviews:2 Trading Score:59	It does look fine, your hyperbole is wrong. I assume you've seen the disc, but if you haven't, I dunno why you're crying about it.

03-09-2017, 04:04 PM	#57
meremortal Blu-ray Champion Member since:Jan 2012 Location:Bedford Falls Trading Score:258	It'd be nice if all studios offered a mastered in 4k release alongside the UHD for catalog titles.

03-09-2017, 07:34 PM	#60
Jumpman Blu-ray Champion Top contributor Member since:Nov 2008 Location:Durham, NC 4K collection:55 Blu-ray collection:119 DVD collection:7 Digital collection:230 iTunes collection:1782 Blu-ray reviews:8 Trading Score:39	At least, for people like me who can't/probably won't go 4K, there will be a standard blu release of the remastered disc later in the year. I can wait.

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