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Old 03-14-2018, 03:06 PM   #41
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the anime medium is more vibrant and varied than the western equivalent so a comment like that is just close-minded as someone saying "oh American animation is basically all the same".
But it is true on both counts, it’s just that people don’t lionize the mediocrity of western animation the way Otaku do Japanese animation (and the totally generic is vaunted to ridiculous levels moreso in Japanese animation culture.) It isn’t really more varied and vibrant - whenever there’s a modern “Anime” sequence that is described as good animation, it might move and flow but it’s lifeless because it relies on the same stock ideas and concepts and movements that all of the similar scenes in each show and movie use. That’s to say little of how alien human behavior is in most of these.

Miyazaki was right to condemn the business. There was a time before Otaku but that was decades ago. Miyazaki and Takahata drew from life and experience, Otaku era creators are largely masses of neuroses creating based on a very rigid blueprint of design and concept. There’s more life and originality in Ponyo’s tidal wave sequence than practically any entire series, but Miyazaki and Takahata are legitimately great filmmakers, amongst Japan’s true greats - Ozu, Imamura, etc. There aren’t any other Japanese animators on the level of their best regular filmmakers.

As for Your Name, I think it’s good (far, far, far from great,) but really it’s perfectly suited to western adaptation. It’s a total crowd pleaser, which is fine, but the supporters claim it has more going on in its head than it does. I was expecting something like The Double Life of Veronique but it cheapens out in favor of a simple sci-fi plot instead. Any greater ambitions are turned into comedy (particularly that one totally tone deaf bit.) It’s a nice film, but nothing more. Veronique it absolutely is not and it’s certainly no Miyazaki or Takahata.
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Old 03-14-2018, 06:39 PM   #42
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This will be more like Freaky Friday with lens flare and an all white cast... Can't wait.
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Old 03-14-2018, 08:04 PM   #43
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Okay, how about this: every style of anime that I have ever tried to watch, including Miyazaki, I have disliked.
I'm with you...
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Old 03-14-2018, 11:58 PM   #44
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Wrong. Anime has a very specific style of animation
This is completely false. “Anime” in Japan refers to literally any animated work, no matter where it originates or how it is animated
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Old 03-15-2018, 01:02 AM   #45
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Probably be the most interesting one to see if they could pull off.
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Old 03-15-2018, 01:30 AM   #46
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But it is true on both counts, it’s just that people don’t lionize the mediocrity of western animation the way Otaku do Japanese animation (and the totally generic is vaunted to ridiculous levels moreso in Japanese animation culture.) It isn’t really more varied and vibrant - whenever there’s a modern “Anime” sequence that is described as good animation, it might move and flow but it’s lifeless because it relies on the same stock ideas and concepts and movements that all of the similar scenes in each show and movie use. That’s to say little of how alien human behavior is in most of these.

Miyazaki was right to condemn the business. There was a time before Otaku but that was decades ago. Miyazaki and Takahata drew from life and experience, Otaku era creators are largely masses of neuroses creating based on a very rigid blueprint of design and concept. There’s more life and originality in Ponyo’s tidal wave sequence than practically any entire series, but Miyazaki and Takahata are legitimately great filmmakers, amongst Japan’s true greats - Ozu, Imamura, etc. There aren’t any other Japanese animators on the level of their best regular filmmakers.

As for Your Name, I think it’s good (far, far, far from great,) but really it’s perfectly suited to western adaptation. It’s a total crowd pleaser, which is fine, but the supporters claim it has more going on in its head than it does. I was expecting something like The Double Life of Veronique but it cheapens out in favor of a simple sci-fi plot instead. Any greater ambitions are turned into comedy (particularly that one totally tone deaf bit.) It’s a nice film, but nothing more. Veronique it absolutely is not and it’s certainly no Miyazaki or Takahata.
Well, I actually agree with almost everything you say here but again people are assigning my reply to the wrong comment. Cinephile wasn't making a comment about the homgenisation and creative bankruptcy of modern anime, he was making a very general statement that all anime has a specific style, so that's taking stuff from the likes of Miyazaki, Takahata, Tezuka, Ishii, Anno, Kon, Otomo, etc and bundling them up and labelling them as filmmakers within one single "genre" (as he later described the medium) that all looks the same. Yes there's an awful lot of generic tosh being made in today's anime industry, but when you look at the medium as a whole - past and present - then you have a truly immense amount of variety in tone, themes, style and every other criteria to sift through if you have the inclination to do so. Or you can rather lazily decide it's all the same and not worth your time.

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Old 02-15-2019, 01:38 AM   #47
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Marc Webb is directing

https://comicbook.com/anime/2019/02/...XBHk24rymwdPyk
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Old 02-15-2019, 01:49 AM   #48
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Not sure about the choice.
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Old 02-15-2019, 01:50 AM   #49
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A pretty solid pick all things considered imo. I know the heavily-comic book film-obsessed people that frequent this portion of the site will immediately think "of The Amazing Spider-Man 2 fame" and cringe, but this is also the guy who gave us 500 Days of Summer so romantic comedy is something he's proven he can do well and he's visually creative enough to cover the action/sci fi elements. They just need to hire some good writers now and figure out a way to bring the culture-clash themes to an american setting that remains faithful to the tone of the original (or they could just set it in Japan with Japanese actors ).

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Old 02-15-2019, 01:59 AM   #50
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A pretty solid pick all things considered imo. I know the heavily-comic book film-obsessed people that frequent this portion of the site will immediately think "of The Amazing Spider-Man 2 fame" and cringe, but this is also the guy who gave us 500 Days of Summer so romantic comedy is something he's proven he can do well and he's visually creative enough to cover the action/sci fi elements. They just need to hire some good writers now and figure out a way to bring the culture-clash themes to an american setting that remains faithful to the tone of the original (or they could just set it in Japan with Japanese actors ).
That's what I thought as well.
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Old 02-15-2019, 09:21 AM   #51
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Oh man I have tried. Watched 3 different Miyazakis and didnt care for any of them
Okay, so this post was a year and a half ago, but...

I resisted anime for a long time, too. Don't like the dystopian, Blade-Runner-esque stuff and just went "enh" at many classics (Spirited Away, Howling Castle, et al). Ghost in the Shell was cheap at Best Buy so I blind-bought (I'd heard of it, of course), and I liked that because I thought the hand-drawn cinematography was amazing for its time. Kept renting and blind-buying and only kept a few, to wit: My Neighbor Totoro (cute),The Secret Life of Arietty ('cause it's like Incredible Shrinking Man!), Wolf Children (also sweet and fun to watch the kids) and yes, Your Name.

You know what you should check out? My Neighbors the Yamadas. The style is so simple, sooo different from any other anime. There are shots that are just a few lines and a few splotches of color on a white background and it's a street with a bus stop! And it's like, 12 vignettes, the father forgets his briefcase and wife tries to get it to him before the meeting, that sort of thing. I loved it.
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500 Days of Sunshine, Amazing Spider-Man and Amazing Spider-Man 2 director Marc Webb to direct live action remake.
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I really enjoyed the animated version. Looking forward to this!
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Seems fitting considering how great he is with romance.
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A director has been found. I guess Marc Webb dropped out or it was just a rumor

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A pretty solid pick all things considered imo. I know the heavily-comic book film-obsessed people that frequent this portion of the site will immediately think "of The Amazing Spider-Man 2 fame" and cringe, but this is also the guy who gave us 500 Days of Summer so romantic comedy is something he's proven he can do well and he's visually creative enough to cover the action/sci fi elements. They just need to hire some good writers now and figure out a way to bring the culture-clash themes to an american setting that remains faithful to the tone of the original (or they could just set it in Japan with Japanese actors ).
I don't think the actors need to be Japanese or it be set in Japan just because the anime was... the anime is set there because obviously people are going to set things where they're from because they can elaborate better. Attack on Titan, for example, had Japanese actors but the characters and settings are more European and Mikasa is the only Asian character in the series, unless that's just a revision in the Funimation version.

The thing I thought was weird about the anime was that the events were only
[Show spoiler]a few years apart but yet the guy didn't remember a whole town being destroyed by the comet in his own country... so if they were to maybe make it international, the guy in one country and the girl in another or something, then it would be realistic that he didn't remember it happening.
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Yeah, doubt this will ever get made.

10 to 1 this will just languish in development hell a la the Akira remake.
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Yeah, doubt this will ever get made.

10 to 1 this will just languish in development hell a la the Akira remake.
It's probably for the best. Hollywood can't seem to help themselves though.
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