Justice League 4K UHD (2017)

[Resettito]

Person judging CGI off a 240p tops video. OKAY

[joenostalgia23]

Why wouldn't they use CGI for Steppenwolf? He's a giant alien guy, just like Thanos in Marvel's movies. Loud noises? It's an action scene

[pottyaboutpotter1]

Originally Posted by Resettito

Person judging CGI off a 240p tops video. OKAY

I've seen a few other images of Steppenwolf in higher quality and the CGI looks just as dodgy.

[pottyaboutpotter1]

Originally Posted by joenostalgia23

Why wouldn't they use CGI for Steppenwolf? He's a giant alien guy, just like Thanos in Marvel's movies. Loud noises? It's an action scene

Oh yes. A giant alien that in the comics looks mostly human and could easily have been portrayed by a live-action actor being digitally enlarged instead of being a purely CGI character.





And yes, it's an action scene but by loud noises I'm trying to say that it's just lots of explosions and flashy visuals with nothing much else.

[BluRayHiDef]

Originally Posted by pottyaboutpotter1

Wow. That looks... bad. Lots of CGI and lots of loud noise. Why is Steppenwolf CGI? It just looks wrong.

Your complaints are asinine to me. The CGI and camera direction of the sequence all look great to me, as well as the sound design. As for Steppenwolf being CGI, what do you expect? He's like eight feet tall. Thanos will be all CGI in Avengers: Infinity War, as well as one of his cronies. For some characters, because of their size, it's necessary or best to render them via CGI and animate them via motion capture.

[BluRayHiDef]

Originally Posted by pottyaboutpotter1

How is it unbelievable? Is he obligated to have a picture with you? No. Actors are people too, not just faces on TV. They have their own lives and priorities. He might have been in a rush to get somewhere. He might not have been in a good mood and just wanted to get back home/to his hotel room. Or whatever other reason. He and other actors are not obligated to have photos with fans.

Dude, calm down. I said unbelievable in regard to encountering him; I can't believe that I randomly walked past Liev Schreiber.

[pottyaboutpotter1]

Originally Posted by BluRayHiDef

Your complaints are asinine to me. The CGI and camera direction of the sequence all look great to me, as well as the sound design. As for Steppenwolf being CGI, what do you expect? He's like eight feet tall. Thanos will be all CGI in Avengers: Infinity War, as well as one of his cronies. For some characters, because of their size, it's necessary or best to render them via CGI and animate them via motion capture.

Thanos being CGI is fine because he isn't human. Also he's being portrayed by motion capture so Josh Brolin is actually on set. In the comics Steppenwolf looks human so could easily have been portrayed by a live-action actor being digitally enlarged in post production - something movies have been doing for years. Hagrid in Harry Potter was played by a live-action actor who was later digitally enlarged for instance (Hagrid was 8ft 6in in the films). Instead, Steppenwolf is a purely CGI creation for no real reason at all. Ciaran Hinds isn't on set so the interactions and performances will be off. Unlike Loki or Ultron where Tom Hiddleston and James Spader were actually on set, Ciaran Hinds wasn't so the actors won't be able to bounce off each other.

It wouldn't be so bad if Ciaran Hinds was portraying Steppenwolf via motion capture, but this isn't the case. Hinds has said they're only using his mouth and eyes.

Ultron was eight feet tall in Avengers and was potrayed by motion capture. James Spader was on set to give the actors something to work with. Steppenwolf was not. Steppenwolf just looks off because they've tried to animate him like a real person but it just doesn't look right.

My point is there's a ton of different routes they could have taken with Steppenwolf and instead they chose the lazy one; making him a purely CGI character. It's the exact same problem that the Hobbit had with Azog; a character has been created digitally when there were a ton of other ways to create the character that would have looked better and not having the actor portraying the character physically on set has led to a disconnect that can't be saved.

As for the camerawork, it's typical Snyder isn't it? It's functionally fine but again shows his preference for the visuals other narrative and story. Hell, the entire scene just forgets about Steppenwolf just so Wonder Woman can show off. It also reaffirms some of my fears about the film; that Flash is just going to be mined for comic relief. Because yes... Flash being carried away by parademons and needing to be rescued. Ha ha ha. Look how inexperienced he is. Ha ha ha. It's not funny.

This is going to be another Suicide Squad; a movie where WB overreact to complaints and try to please everyone leading to a divisive film that doesn't please anyone at all, overcompensating on jokes and having a totally ineffective and unmemorable baddie with a cookie cutter CGI army.

[pottyaboutpotter1]

Originally Posted by BluRayHiDef

Dude, calm down. I said unbelievable in regard to encountering him; I can't believe that I randomly walked past Liev Schreiber.

You need to work on your phrasing. Your original comment heavily implies you were saying it was unbelievable he wouldn't take a photo with you, not unbelievable that you met him.

[BluRayHiDef]

Originally Posted by pottyaboutpotter1

Thanos being CGI is fine because he isn't human. Also he's being portrayed by motion capture so Josh Brolin is actually on set. In the comics Steppenwolf looks human so could easily have been portrayed by a live-action actor being digitally enlarged in post production - something movies have been doing for years. Hagrid in Harry Potter was played by a live-action actor who was later digitally enlarged for instance (Hagrid was 8ft 6in in the films). Instead, Steppenwolf is a purely CGI creation for no real reason at all. Ciaran Hinds isn't on set so the interactions and performances will be off. Unlike Loki or Ultron where Tom Hiddleston and James Spader were actually on set, Ciaran Hinds wasn't so the actors won't be able to bounce off each other.

It wouldn't be so bad if Ciaran Hinds was portraying Steppenwolf via motion capture, but this isn't the case. Hinds has said they're only using his mouth and eyes.

Ultron was eight feet tall in Avengers and was potrayed by motion capture. James Spader was on set to give the actors something to work with. Steppenwolf was not. Steppenwolf just looks off because they've tried to animate him like a real person but it just doesn't look right.

My point is there's a ton of different routes they could have taken with Steppenwolf and instead they chose the lazy one; making him a purely CGI character. It's the exact same problem that the Hobbit had with Azog; a character has been created digitally when there were a ton of other ways to create the character that would have looked better and not having the actor portraying the character physically on set has led to a disconnect that can't be saved.

As for the camerawork, it's typical Snyder isn't it? It's functionally fine but again shows his preference for the visuals other narrative and story. Hell, the entire scene just forgets about Steppenwolf just so Wonder Woman can show off. It also reaffirms some of my fears about the film; that Flash is just going to be mined for comic relief. Because yes... Flash being carried away by parademons and needing to be rescued. Ha ha ha. Look how inexperienced he is. Ha ha ha. It's not funny.

This is going to be another Suicide Squad; a movie where WB overreact to complaints and try to please everyone leading to a divisive film that doesn't please anyone at all, overcompensating on jokes and having a totally ineffective and unmemorable baddie with a cookie cutter CGI army.

I find all of your complaints to be nitpicky and stupid. You simply don't want to like the movie and therefore don't. You are biased and I don't care for your opinion.

[NegaScott128]

Originally Posted by BluRayHiDef

I find all of your complaints to be nitpicky and stupid. You simply don't want to like the movie and therefore don't. You are biased and I don't care for your opinion.

Why don't you call him a doody-head while you're at it?

[pottyaboutpotter1]

Originally Posted by BluRayHiDef

I find all of your complaints to be nitpicky and stupid. You simply don't want to like the movie and therefore don't. You are biased and I don't care for your opinion.

I'm biased because I'm a fan of these characters and actually want them to be in good movies? I'm biased because I want the filmmakers of these movies to not take the lazy route? I'm biased because I'm tired of superhero movies being filled with cookie cutter baddies with cookie cutter CGI armies?

I WANT to like the movie. That's the problem. But nothing about it has filled me with any confidence and nothing about it has made me WANT to watch it. If Marvel can make me want to watch a movie about a guy who shrinks but if DC can't make me want to watch a movie about the Justice League then there's a problem.

I love superhero movies. I really do. And I can be extremly forgiving of them to a point. And everything I've seen about Justice League is crossing that point for me; horrendous character designs (who ever gave the thumbs up to Cyborg's design is insane), doubling down on problematic elements from previous films, trying too hard to look like a Marvel film, merging two films into one, hiring a director with a completely incompatible style to Snyder's to finish the film meaning the film will be tonally inconsistent, having a terrible marketing scheme and WB effectively announcing the film won't even be relevant in two years or so as they prepare to reboot the series with Flashpoint.

Am I a little pessimistic about the film? Possibly. But that's a result of everything about the film not inspiring confidence.

[imsounoriginal]

Bias is a two-way street lol

[BigBlue10989]

Originally Posted by BluRayHiDef

I find all of your complaints to be nitpicky and stupid. You simply don't want to like the movie and therefore don't. You are biased and I don't care for your opinion.

I disagree. There is a visible difference in pure CGI vs motion capture. The Planet of the Apes trilogy, Avatar, etc. would not be nearly as visually stunning if they were just rendered. Their characters wouldn't be nearly as life-like in their movement, emotions, etc. Steppenwolf looks like the giant samurai from Sucker Punch. That's bad.

[pottyaboutpotter1]

Originally Posted by BigBlue10989

Steppenwolf looks like the giant samurai from Sucker Punch. That's bad.

You know, I KNEW Steppenwolf reminded me of something and it was exactly that!

[Vangeli]

So ...uhhhhhhh

This looks like it will have some really fun HDR I guess.

[BluRayHiDef]

Originally Posted by NegaScott128

Why don't you call him a doody-head while you're at it?

He's a doody-head.

[BluRayHiDef]

Originally Posted by BigBlue10989

I disagree. There is a visible difference in pure CGI vs motion capture. The Planet of the Apes trilogy, Avatar, etc. would not be nearly as visually stunning if they were just rendered. Their characters wouldn't be nearly as life-like in their movement, emotions, etc. Steppenwolf looks like the giant samurai from Sucker Punch. That's bad.

Transformers has never used motion capture and the animation has been brilliant, especially in The Last Knight. You don't need full-body motion capture to animate a character realistically. Also, as far as I am concerned, Steppenwolf's animation is great; I honestly don't see what the problem is. I guarantee you that if the animation were the same but it were revealed to have been done via motion capture, pottyaboutpotter1 would say that it looks fine. It's his knowledge of the fact that it's not full-body motion capture that's affecting this opinion and not actually the quality of the animation.

[BigBlue10989]

Originally Posted by BluRayHiDef

Transformers has never used motion capture and the animation has been brilliant, especially in The Last Knight. You don't need full-body motion capture to animate a character realistically. Also, as far as I am concerned, Steppenwolf's animation is great; I honestly don't see what the problem is. I guarantee you that if the animation were the same but it were revealed to have been done via motion capture, pottyaboutpotter1 would say that it looks fine. It's his knowledge of the fact that it's not full-body motion capture that's affecting this opinion and not actually the quality of the animation.

The texture and details for Transformers are excellent. The movement?? Not so much. If you look at the chief complaint in the whole series, it's the character design and movement. Look at the comments for this article. It's nearly impossible to see what's going on during the hand to hand combat.

https://gizmodo.com/transformers-vfx...-is-1597172174

To each his own, however. But you can't watch Avatar, War of the Planet of the Apes, or even the sliver we saw of Thanos, and tell me that Steppenwolf looks good.

[BluRayHiDef]

Originally Posted by BigBlue10989

The texture and details for Transformers are excellent. The movement?? Not so much. If you look at the chief complaint in the whole series, it's the character design and movement. Look at the comments for this article. It's nearly impossible to see what's going on during the hand to hand combat.

https://gizmodo.com/transformers-vfx...-is-1597172174

To each his own, however. But you can't watch Avatar, War of the Planet of the Apes, or even the sliver we saw of Thanos, and tell me that Steppenwolf looks good.

Being 'impossible to see' does not equate to being poorly animated; you're conflating two separate issues. Being impossible to see is a result of poor camera placement and not the result of how realistically the characters move.

[BigBlue10989]

Originally Posted by BluRayHiDef

Being 'impossible to see' does not equate to being poorly animated; you're conflating two separate issues. Being impossible to see is a result of poor camera placement and not the result of how realistically the characters move.

I know you're a troll, but seriously? Read the comments. Transformers is known for reference quality detail, audio fidelity. However it's character design and movement have and always will be maligned.